Afghan and Pakistani border guards clash in Torkham

[Neelkanth]

Shah was an American stooge ... His nepotism and too western leaning was reason for revolution in Iran...

Americans are not Iran's enemy rather Saudis are ... Iran knows it ...

The sanctions will end in a year or two as Iran and western countries come closure...

You are over estimating Israel capability ... American's interest come first then Israel...

Israel is "Very important" to USA, as much important as its 51st state, that is the level of alignment of interest of Israel and USA.

 

[bose]

Israel is "Very important" to USA, as much important as its 51st state, that is the level of alignment of interest of Israel and USA.

I agree Israel is very important to US and both have same interests in the region... But if Israel pushes its Iran specific agenda that starts to hurt Western [ both Americans and European ] interest then US will restrain Israel ...

Both Iran and western countries are working to come out of the shadow of past without hurting their national interests and sensibilities...

Can anyone thought that Iran will give up its nuclear card and agree to western conditions ? one never know ... even after the lifting of sanction from Iran, Israel was not happy and US have to restrain Israel...

It is very important that there should be an alternative source of oil & gas other than the Arabs... Moreover the Saudis are getting away with spreading of terrorism for long time... Time has come to put Saudis to right place...

 

[Neo]

Shah was an American stooge ... His nepotism and too western leaning was reason for revolution in Iran...

Americans are not Iran's enemy rather Saudis are ... Iran knows it ...

The sanctions will end in a year or two as Iran and western countries come closure...

You are over estimating Israel capability ... American's interest come first then Israel...

Iran has not forgotton Shah and they dont trust the USA, period. There's no change in Iran's ME policy or hatred towards zionism. Nothings changed.

And don't underestimate Israel. Remember USN Liberty and what happened to it?

 

[Kshatriya87]

@Neo Have the clashes stopped now? Is the gate construction continuing?

 

[Kshatriya87]

@bose @Neelkanth @Neo Don't rely on US-Israel relationship too much. Israel is just another tool (although a very important one) for US. The jewish state helps US in keeping Iran & Saudi in check. US can use Israel arsenal & bases in case of a war with Iran and Israel would be more than happy to give it to them. They just share common interests.

 

[Neo]

@Neo Have the clashes stopped now? Is the gate construction continuing?

Mixed and unconfirmed reports still coming in about shelling but the construction work is still going on.

 

[bose]

Iran has not forgotton Shah and they dont trust the USA, period.

true ... Iran has not forgotten Shah the American stooge but it also know very well the hardships of isolation it has faced for 20 years due to sanctions and what not...

There's no change in Iran's ME policy or hatred towards zionism. Nothings changed.

Iran hates Saudis more than the Israel ...

You will see more aggressive Iranians v/s Saudis interests after it had blocked the Iranian pilgrims for Haj...

And don't underestimate Israel. Remember USN Liberty and what happened to it?

Israel will fall in place ...

 

[Neo]

@bose @Neelkanth @Neo Don't rely on US-Israel relationship too much. Israel is just another tool (although a very important one) for US. The jewish state helps US in keeping Iran & Saudi in check. US can use Israel arsenal & bases in case of a war with Iran and Israel would be more than happy to give it to them. They just share common interests.

Israel will remain US' most important ally in the ME and the jewish lobby rules the POTUS. I understand that many Indians are very hopeful about Iran but Israel can sabotage the efforts whenever it suits her interests. It would be a huge mistake to underestimate the power of Israel.

 

[Zebra]

Why the Durand Line Matters
It is time for Kabul to accept the legality of the border.

By Arwin Rahi
February 21, 2014

Afghan officials have at times accused Pakistan of being less than honest in pushing the Afghan Taliban for talks with Kabul. Before making such statements, those same officials should also try to understand Pakistan’s deep concerns about Afghanistan’s stance on their common border. At present, Afghanistan does not officially recognize the international borderwith Pakistan. Instead, it has territorial claims on areas stretching from the Afghan-Pakistan border to the Indus River, all told comprising nearly 60 percent of Pakistani territory.

This border dispute has its roots in the nineteenth century, when Pakistan was part of India and India was a British colony. The Britishimposed the 2640 km borderline on the Amir of Afghanistan in 1893 in a bid to strengthen the former’s control over the northern parts of India. The agreement was signed between Sir Mortimer Durand, the Indian Foreign Secretary at the time, and Amir Abdur Rahman Khan in Kabul. The line is thus known as the Durand Line, and runs through Pashtun territory.

According to the Durand Line agreement, Afghanistan relinquished a few districts, including Swat, Chitral and Chageh, although it gained other areas, Nuristan and Asmar, for instance, which it had historically not controlled. The agreement, at least on paper, for the first time demarcated where the Indo-Afghan border started and ended. Before the Durand Line agreement, both India and Afghanistan would make incursions into each other’s domain of influence, frequently sparking border tensions.

In contrast to many historical accounts, Afghanistan did recognize the Durand Line as an international border. Abdur Rahman Khan’s successor, Amir Habibullah Khan, in 1905 signed a new agreement with Britain confirming the legality of the Durand Line. More importantly, article 5 of the Anglo-Afghan Treaty of 1919, on the basis of which Afghanistan reclaimed its independence, says that Afghanistan accepted all previously agreed border arrangements with India. Unlike the previous two agreements, the Anglo-Afghan Treaty was not imposed by Britain. Afghanistan as an independent state agreed to recognize the Durand Line as an international border.
After the founding of Pakistan in 1947, Afghanistan demanded that Pashtuns living on the Pakistani side of the Durand Line be given the right to self-determination. Unsurprisingly, both Britain and Pakistan refused. In response, the Afghan government then began to ignore the Durand Line and instead assert claims over territories that lay between the line and the Indus River.

As a consequence, relations with Pakistan became tense, and this in turn influenced U.S.-Afghan relations in the 1950s and 1960s. Once Pakistan struck an arms deal with the U.S., Kabul realized that the balance of power between Pakistan and Afghanistan had shifted in favor of Pakistan. Hence, in the 1950s Afghanistan, too, approached Washington seeking military assistance and arms sales.

The U.S. demanded that Afghanistan improve its relations with Pakistan and join the Central Treaty Organization (CENTO), of which Pakistan was a founding member, to contain the Soviet Union. Given its location on the Soviet border, Afghanistan declined. In the meantime, Kabul needed modern arms to balance Pakistan’s growing military power. So it turned to the Soviet Union.

Moscow willingly sold arms to Afghanistan and agreed to train Afghan military personnel. As time went by, this dependence on the Soviet Union increased. Estimates show that the Soviet Union gave Afghanistan $2.5 billion in military and economic aid between 1953 and 1978. In addition, thousands of Afghans went to military schools in the Soviet Union between 1953 and 1978—the very officers who staged two coups in 1973 and 1978, paving the way for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.

Over the last several decades Afghanistan has suffered enormously from the Durand Line tensions. Afghanistan’s Cold War relations with the former Soviet Union ultimately led to invasion by the Red Army. Pakistan has tried to install a client regime in Kabul. Thousands of terrorists have crossed the Durand Line from Pakistan over the last decade and killed large numbers of Afghans. The Pakistani army has shelled areas in eastern Afghanistan, claiming they were shelling Pakistani territory.

Pakistan has been reluctant to engage honestly with Afghanistan on any issue, from trade to peace talks, because of a lack of trust. The Afghan government loses revenue each year as thousands of people—mainly Afghans—illegally cross the border without a visa, avoiding taxes. Tons of illegal goods are smuggled across the border annually, a further loss for the Afghanistan economy.

Many Afghans still dream—Pashtuns in particular—that one day they might reclaim the territories their forefathers lost between the Durand Line and the Indus River. That, of course, is unrealistic: the country lacks the political, economic and military means to pursue any such claim. At any rate, the 30 million Pakistani Pashtuns would appear to have little motivation to join the 15 million Afghan Pashtuns. For more than half a century, Pashtuns have played significant roles in civilian and military life in Pakistan. Why leave that for a barely functioning Afghanistan?

There are multiple examples of ethnic groups living in two or more countries. Kurds, Balochis, Tajiks, Germans, to name a few, live in two or more countries. Afghans must recognize and embrace the fact that the same ethnic group can live in more than one country.

The new Afghan president taking office in the spring should immediately review Afghanistan’s foreign policy toward Pakistan. The time has come for Afghans to once again recognize the Durand Line as the international border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Doing so would bring an end to the protracted border dispute with Pakistan, a precondition for real Pakistani cooperation in the Afghan peace process.

Having recognized the Durand Line, Afghanistan should immediately demarcate the border and fence it. This would prevent Taliban incursions and help control both smuggling and illegal flows of people. As an added benefit, the Pakistan military would no longer have the justification to shell Afghan villages once the fences are in place.

Arwin Rahi is a Fulbright fellow at Texas A&M University’s George Bush School of Government and Public Service. He worked as an adviser to the Parwan governor in 2012-13, and has an MA in politics and security from OSCE Academy with a focus on Central Asia and Afghanistan.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/02/why-the-durand-line-matters/

http://www.c-span.org/video/?299547-1/book-discussion-crossing-zero

March 30, 2011

 

[Neo]

http://www.c-span.org/video/?299547-1/book-discussion-crossing-zero

March 30, 2011

What is your point...................?

 

[Zebra]

This Issue: "Crossing Zero: The AfPak War at the Turning Point of American Empire"

Uploaded on Feb 17, 2012 , by ThisIssueBruceGagnon's channel

 

[Zebra]

What is your point...................?

Dude, go through the video in post #209 ......................................................

 

[Neo]

Dude, go through the video in post #209 ......................................................

Any shocking revelation there? I didn't find anything new.

 

[Zebra]

Any shocking revelation there? I didn't find anything new.

Watch it again @ 13:41.............................................................................

 

[rockey 71]

Shah was an American stooge ... His nepotism and too western leaning was reason for revolution in Iran...

Americans are not Iran's enemy rather Saudis are ... Iran knows it ...

The sanctions will end in a year or two as Iran and western countries come closure...

You are over estimating Israel capability ... American's interest come first then Israel...

You are right. Like Vietnam, Iran will eventually warm up to the Americans.

 

[rockey 71]

Israel will remain US' most important ally in the ME and the jewish lobby rules the POTUS. I understand that many Indians are very hopeful about Iran but Israel can sabotage the efforts whenever it suits her interests. It would be a huge mistake to underestimate the power of Israel.

Americans are getting increasingly wary of Israel.

 

[Neo]

Watch it again @ 13:41.............................................................................

And your point is..............?

 

[Screambowl]

Israel will remain US' most important ally in the ME and the jewish lobby rules the POTUS.

Because the jewish lobby in US runs the US!

And next most powerful lobby is Hindus.

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

What Afghan Army indicating here ?

 

[porky_kicker]

watch this riveting interview of former Afghan Intelligence Chief Amrullah Saleh

gives a insight of afghan and paki relationship

and the most funny yet very true fact..................
as stated by Amrullah Saleh (last 5 minutes)

"we are like phoenix we will not go away we.................
....................................................................................

because we are not a incident in the history (LIKE PORKISTAN ? )

we are not a coincidence in the history (AGAIN LIKE PORKISTAN ? )

we are not a mistake of history (AGAIN LIKE PORKISTAN ? )

there are a lot of country who were mistakenly created (AGAIN LIKE PORKISTAN ? )"

classic example of ZOR KA JHATKA DHERE SE :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

in kabuliwallah style :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2: