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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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Rahul Singh

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Question: Does Tejas squadron have 18 aircraft per squadron or 20? What about MiG-21 Bison?
Standard full capacity is 20 aircraft per squadron. 18 single seat + 2 tandem seat fighter conversion trainer.
Previously it was usual for every IAF squadron to have 2 fighter/conversion trainers. Toady they may equip themselves with more 2 seat versions depending on the intended roles they are to carry-out.

For example, if a Tejas squadron is required to carry out SEAD/DEAD missions during initial days of a war. It might equip itself with more 2 seat version for using them as EW aircraft during any such mission. Such aircraft will be mounted with powerful jammers besides usual SPJ that every Tejas would carry.

I believe the production version of Tejas-T in all probability will also be developed as a special mission EW aircraft. In past, HAL/ADA had tried developing similar package on PV-1. Today they might equip Tejas-T with podded wideband receivers on outer wing pylons, a mix of high band low band jammers on mid wing pylons plus three drop tanks on inner wing and centerline stations for max endurance. Once developed such aircraft will lead any Tejas formation on ground strike missions be it SEAD/DEAD or any target under an umbrella of SAM cover.

EA-18 Growler is a nearest example of such an aircraft.
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Previously it was usual for every IAF squadron to have 2 fighter/conversion trainers. Toady they may equip themselves with more 2 seat versions depending on the intended roles they are to carry-out.

For example, if a Tejas squadron is required to carry out SEAD/DEAD missions during initial days of a war. It might equip itself with more 2 seat version for using them as EW aircraft during any such mission. Such aircraft will be mounted with powerful jammers besides usual SPJ that every Tejas would carry.

I believe the production version of Tejas-T in all probability will also be developed as a special mission EW aircraft. In past, HAL/ADA had tried developing similar package on PV-1. Today they might equip Tejas-T with podded wideband receivers on outer wing pylons, a mix of high band low band jammers on mid wing pylons plus three drop tanks on inner wing and centerline stations for max endurance. Once developed such aircraft will lead any Tejas formation on ground strike missions be it SEAD/DEAD or any target under an umbrella of SAM cover.

EA-18 Growler is a nearest example of such an aircraft.
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can we increase weapon stations in tejas ?? why teajas dont have weapon station at wing tip???
 

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can we increase weapon stations in tejas ?? why teajas dont have weapon station at wing tip???
Delta wing aircraft cannot have wingtip pylons simply because the wing tips are sharp points. Besides any weapon stations under the wing edges increases drag and messes with air flow - pretty bad considering that the delta wings already cause rather high stall speed.
And on top of all this, the wing tips aren't structurally strong enough.
 

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Delta wing aircraft cannot have wingtip pylons simply because the wing tips are sharp points. Besides any weapon stations under the wing edges increases drag and messes with air flow - pretty bad considering that the delta wings already cause rather high stall speed.
And on top of all this, the wing tips aren't structurally strong enough.
but saab gripen has station on wing tip!!!
 

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Delta wing aircraft cannot have wingtip pylons simply because the wing tips are sharp points. Besides any weapon stations under the wing edges increases drag and messes with air flow - pretty bad considering that the delta wings already cause rather high stall speed.
And on top of all this, the wing tips aren't structurally strong enough.
What are Mirage 2000 & Rafale & typhoon & Gripen. All delta winged and come with wing tip missiles.
 

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What are Mirage 2000 & Rafale & typhoon & Gripen. All delta winged and come with wing tip missiles.
The Gripen, the Typhoon and the Rafale are not pure Delta wing fighters, are they? Those canards help out a lot. And no, the Mirage never had wingtip missiles.


Pure Delta wing fighters can NOT have wingtip missiles. or wingtip anything for that matter. Even the famously rugged A-4 Skyhawk doesn't have wingtip stations.
 

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What the ####

Why not use the same plane for both the roles!!??
There is only 1 version of the MK2 upgrade standard, but the NLCA has changes to suit naval / carrier operations.
That's why NLCA MK1 already has changes at the cockpit section, the gears or the Levcons, that the IAF version doesn't have and according to INs requirements, NLCA MK2 needed more internal fuel to have any useful endurance.
 
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what about SPs 1 to 7..............
^^ They are IAF property, not Ada's. Details from operational craft are confidential and will not be made public.
All SPs from 1 to 6 have clocked more than 700 sorties with more than 600 hours of flying time. All trouble free....at times 2-3 sorties a day. So much for sortie rate....

That's also more than 100 hours per frame, compare it to JF-17 blunders which have just 25 hours per frame....
 

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All SPs from 1 to 6 have clocked more than 700 sorties with more than 600 hours of flying time. All trouble free....at times 2-3 sorties a day. So much for sortie rate....

That's also more than 100 hours per frame, compare it to JF-17 blunders which have just 25 hours per frame....
And western powers said this aircraft would crash at runway.

:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Well for that to be tested Tejas has to be built in numbers but absolute 0 crashes show the exceptional prowess of our engineering,so far this aircraft have been tested in every goddamn part of country and nature has thrown all sorts of weather at it and yet this thing flies strong.

:india::india::india::india::india:

Jai hind.

Now my wet dream is to integrate a small version of brahmos onto Tejas and make it absolute nightmare for our adversaries.

This safety record can also be used to market Tejas outside India,in next 10 years a lot of developing countries will have a strong robust economy and they will be in search of a good fighter jet at low cost.By then f-16 would be a granny,f-35 will be expensive,j-31 again expensive and it's Chinese and God knows what kind of a safety record.There exists a market that Tejas should capture.If we are able to sell 100 of this aircraft then it will help us pave way to make it to the big leagues,it's not just an aircraft,this jet has created an entire ecosystem and can possibly help us forge our foreign policy and strengthen our relationship with many many countries.
 

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Canard is coming home on Tejas MK-2.

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Indian airpower: go big on Tejas, or go home
By Saurav Jha Jan 1 2018, 23:08 IST

The Indian Air Force's decision to issue a request for proposal (RFP) to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the procurement of 83 Tejas MK-1A light combat aircraft (LCA) bodes well for the cause of military-industrial indigenisation in India. And since this RFP has been issued at a time when HAL is putting in place the means to double annual production rates for the Tejas, it shows that the Ministry of Defence (MoD) is hopeful that the homegrown fighter will contribute towards shoring up IAF's squadron strength in a major way.

Indeed, the significant investment made into setting up a second advanced manufacturing line for the Tejas by HAL would be wasted if the intention were to truncate production at just the numbers projected till now, which as of date is some 123 units once we take into account the recent RFP. Instead, the focus needs to be on taking the Tejas programme to its logical conclusion, which would be the development and production of a more capable MK-2 variant in sizeable numbers.

Such a move would not only serve the purpose of obsolescence management and traditional product improvement, it would consolidate the gains made in terms of creating an aeronautical base in India via the LCA programme and provide the industrial pre-adaptation necessary for credibly producing a homegrown fifth-generation fighter. Meanwhile, it is imperative that various imported sub-systems used in Tejas variants be indigenised as soon as possible to both reduce operational risk as well as increase the domestic value capture of the programme.

The MK-1A variant of the Tejas is a step up from the baseline MK-1 (of which a total of 40 are on order) in terms of its avionics fit, maintainability and the fact that it will have in-flight refuelling capability. However, both the active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and the self-protection suite that the MK-1A will sport are expected to be of imported origin.

HAL has floated tenders to procure the same from international vendors. HAL also intends to license-produce these sub-systems at its Avionics Division in Hyderabad and will also assume the responsibility to maintain, repair and overhaul (MRO) them. The company has decided to do so because indigenous alternatives to these items, such as the Defence Research and Development Organisation's 'Uttam' AESA radar and unified electronic warfare suite (UEWS) are both still under development.

Clearly, HAL wishes to reduce the risk to the overall Tejas build programme by first firming up supplies from abroad and then undertaking license-production of the same, while creating another value stream for itself in the process. It is well understood that the total orders that HAL may end up receiving over the course of the Tejas programme is contingent upon its ability to deliver this combat aircraft on schedule. At the moment, due to a firm order of only 40 of these fighters, HAL has taken its time in executing the same, with only five serial production jets having been delivered to the IAF's 45th Squadron as on date.

However, with serious movement on the MK-1A front, HAL knows that it will now have to demonstrate the ability to build up to 16 Tejas fighters a year. For this, HAL is currently scurrying to get its component and sub-assembly supply chain in place. Now, as far as the imported AESA radar for the MK-1A is concerned, a certain amount of engineering work will have to be done to fit it inside the nose of the plane, since its dimensions are the same as the MK-1.

Mk-2, the real deal

Due to the fact that the MK-1A will essentially have the same aero-body as the MK-1, it will not really be compliant with all the aerodynamic performance parameters desired by IAF in its air staff qualitative requirement (ASQR) for the Tejas design. It is only with the MK-2 variant that the developers of the Tejas, DRDO's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), expect near-total compliance with the IAF's requirement. But for this, the addition of a pair of canards and an engine of higher thrust capability than the current Tejas engine will be necessary, according to one top former DRDO official.

Now, it must be said that the addition of canards is something that the 'control law' of the Tejas can be readily modified to accommodate, given that it was developed indigenously and something that ADA designers are well versed in.

A revamped Tejas Mk-2 will also have modernised line replacement units and a number of other features, which together with the improved aerodynamic performance will make it one of the better fourth-generation 'plus' fighters out there. Moreover, a long production run of the Mk-2 will also provide the industrial pedigree necessary, without attrition of imbibed skills, to produce the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) when that programme reaches fruition.

Meanwhile, it is important that India uses the growing scale of the Tejas programme to put in place joint ventures with foreign majors to secure the 'last mile' problem resolution support required to productionise key sub-systems such as the AESA radar to reduce both sanction and life-cycle cost risks for the Tejas, while increasing the share of domestic valued added to it. Interestingly, such collaborations are now forthcoming and even being explored as part of offset discharge for other military imports. Of course, the most key sub-system of all that needs to be indigenised would be the low-bypass turbofan engine powering the Tejas.

Once again, India needs to strike a credible deal to mature its own domestic Kaveri engine programme, even as the option of license-producing the current and future GE engine variants powering the Tejas family can be pursued by HAL's engine division in partnership with domestic private players. Simply put, Indian airpower has to either go big on the Tejas programme or go home.
 

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Certainly, we won't be reviving old concept. Low mounted totally different wing design with wingtip stations and a totally different air intake with canard attached to it. It is too different from MK-1 to get it developed in a period of 10 years or less.

My gut feeling says ADA is deleting LEVCONS and adding Canard to the design of N-LCA MK-2 at around nose section. An EF-2000 type canard placement, as it will require fewer design changes.

One of the New concepts.


Old concept of LCA



The position of canard in EF-2000.


 

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All SPs from 1 to 6 have clocked more than 700 sorties with more than 600 hours of flying time. All trouble free....at times 2-3 sorties a day. So much for sortie rate....

That's also more than 100 hours per frame, compare it to JF-17 blunders which have just 25 hours per frame....
JF-17 Blunders ... it has a nice ring to it! :hehe:
 

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And western powers said this aircraft would crash at runway.

:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Well for that to be tested Tejas has to be built in numbers but absolute 0 crashes show the exceptional prowess of our engineering,so far this aircraft have been tested in every goddamn part of country and nature has thrown all sorts of weather at it and yet this thing flies strong.
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You should've added a word "touchwood", never mind I am doing that.

__Touchwood__:yo:
 
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