ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[sayareakd]

What kind of bombs are those installed in the green multi-ejection rack? They're small.

practice bombs.

more info here

Ordnance Factory Board

 

[sasi]

http://gallery.tejas.gov.in/Gallery/Detachment-2012/25753672_NsJ6HC#!i=2129983842&k=vmZ8s9h
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I don't already posted or not !

 

[sasi]

Deleted out.

 

[ersakthivel]

The amount of space underneath the fuselage for any pylon configuration or conformal fuel tank configuration is visible.

comparision with grippen landing gear under fuselage space.No big difference there.

tejas again

One big differense is the door for wheels are openindg up and down in tejas , but sideways in grippen.What can be the reason?

But in the above picture wheels are far apart.

image for grippen NG has wheels still far apart.With wheel doors moved to the other side, The wheels so close to the external fuel tank.A redesign? or?

 

[ersakthivel]

http://www.google.co.in/imgres?q=gr...64&start=15&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:26,s:0,i:165

Multiple ejector racks on grippen.
The undercarriage of grippen occupies the Air intake position of tejas,airintake of grippen is well in front compared to tejas.

So multiple ejector racks are common for all fighters, Then what is the big deal in some guys dragging about drag only for tejas?

 

[ersakthivel]

Pilot visibility in both the aircraft is, Well people can make their own judgement.In grippen pilot is beside the huge canards, In tejas he is little bit ahead of the wings, a bit better visibility perhaps. Nothing much of a difference between the two.

Grippen has a wing tip pylon, tejas has one just near the tip ,not at the tip.But both have just 3 pylons under each wing, not much of a difference.

Sweep angle of grippen's canards and lesser sweep of tejas's cranked delta looks, exactly the same.

 

[sasi]

Voting is for LCA mk1 or mk2 ? I thought mk2.

 

[p2prada]

So multiple ejector racks are common for all fighters, Then what is the big deal in some guys dragging about drag only for tejas?

Doctrine. Period. LCA is a light fighter. It will do a light fighters duties. That's it.

If you have a problem with the above, then prove it with a picture.

If you have any level of integrity left please answer the question what will grippen do with meteor missile?before asking for any link.

If the radar does not have the range for it, then Meteor will be used to a lesser extent of its full capabilities.

So thousands of F-16s in USAF are for peacetime deployment perhaps.....
Unlike USAF or russian airforce IAF's situation is very different, for air to air missions tejas just has to get off from it's air fields that's all, It need not fly 1000s of kilometers in search of enemy as china and pakistan are bordering states

Go read my posts again. F-16 is a medium fighter for the time, not a light fighter. F-5 is a light fighter and a rich air force like USAF has no need for it.

There are no light fighters in both USAF and VVS. Pretty soon PLAAF will retire all their light fighters in exchange for medium and heavy fighters.

So give your authetic source based claim for tejas's flight hours, without refuelling, with refuelling...etc.....

Google Mirage-2000 figures, reduce some of them and you have LCA.

If anyone watches closely this configuration ,under wing pylons of grippen have multiple ejector racks, exactly what I was saying earlier, So who bans then on teja other than you?

Prove with pictures, not nonsense.

Racks on one fighter doesn't mean IAF has the same.

Racks are for very rare use. The drag penalty is unnecessary for regular use. With aircraft like MKI and Rafale with 10+ BVR loads, we don't need tiny fighters carrying more missiles. 2 + 2 missiles is very good for LCA's mission anyway.

It is no monumental design challenge , I suppose,

Also conformal fuel tank can easily be configured freeing up under wing pylons for carrying BVRs, No complex design problems in this area too.

What you suppose and what is reality are two different things. Go see why Typhoon is delaying CFTs for so much time, even Rafale. CFTs are no joke and one of the reasons why F-16s lost the MRCA deal.

 

[p2prada]

Voting is for LCA mk1 or mk2 ? I thought mk2.

Mk1 is an interceptor. Point defence interceptor.

Mk2 is an air superiority fighter. But it's primary role will still be point defence.

Another important role performed is escort.

There is strike capability added, too. LDP + LGBs + Stand off missiles and we have a strike aircraft. Regardless of how good it could be.

So, overall LCA is a multirole aircraft with highest priority as a point defence interceptor.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Voting is for LCA mk1 or mk2 ? I thought mk2.

Both versions..

 

[Defcon 1]

Mk1 is an interceptor. Point defence interceptor.

Mk2 is an air superiority fighter. But it's primary role will still be point defence.

Another important role performed is escort.

There is strike capability added, too. LDP + LGBs + Stand off missiles and we have a strike aircraft. Regardless of how good it could be.

So, overall LCA is a multirole aircraft with highest priority as a point defence interceptor.

Escort what? We don't have any bombers.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Lets stay on the topic without using abusive words as its a sign of losing, And stay on LCA..

 

[ersakthivel]

Doctrine. Period. LCA is a light fighter. It will do a light fighters duties. That's it.

Lca is a multirole fighter which has as good flight capabilities(spec wise) as any big fighter and ,it can fire the same missiles fired by any big fighter, With the implementation of conformal fuel tanks it will have same range and same loitering time as any other medium fighter.PERIOD.
So called J-20s and PAKFAs are not gonna carry more than a a couple of tons in their internal weapon bays on the first day of the war.PERIOD.

So called 5th gens also have to maintain radar silence to remain stealth, SO they too will rely on some other craft's radar for targeting like LCA(atleast LCA will use it's radar within it's 120 km tracking range , with impunity, 5th gens are not going to do it to remain stealth.PERIOD.

All silent ninja kills by any 5th gen is marvel comic stuff in tomorrow's ew saturated skies.PERIOD.

Lca is designed for a particular air role, not for it to get labels from you or me or anybody else.PERIOD.
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If you have a problem with the above, then prove it with a picture.



If the radar does not have the range for it, then Meteor will be used to a lesser extent of its full capabilities.

METEOR will be used to its full range by grippen. PERIOD.If you have any doubts you can go to any international forums and clarify your doubts.PERIOD. Your silence on this issue till now itself is a proof you know how it will be done.PERIOD.

I don't need certificates from idiots. The readers themselves know the difference.

3 years before you too were one of the motely group of idiots
who asked questions like
1. SIR, what is LPI asea?
2.SIR ,What are the frequencies used by it?
3.SIR , Isn't there any jamming techniques against them or not?

SO you have no certificate from anybody to prove your knowledge.

You are as oridinary a mortal like me who has learned from this forum, So don't act like you taught every one else in this forum.PERIOD
If you have no authentic open source for any of your statement , Post them with a prefix like IMHO. PERIOD.

You are a kid. You don't understand what is real and what's on paper.

I have a technical background, Not a dumbass who keeps on arguing that multi ejector racks won't have any drag on grippen and it will have all the drag in the world on tejas.PERIOD.

The Zaslon M was made decades ago, but it is any day a better radar than many of the modern radars today. What the Bars can do today, Zaslon-M could do back in the 90s.

The inferior fighter will still beat the superior LCA every time simply because one is a seasoned, proven fighter while the other is still not completing development tests.

Simulators make best F-22 pilots in 2 years unlike 5 years required for other fighters is your statement in this forum.PERIOD. So is this statement dumbass or not?

Go read my posts again. F-16 is a medium fighter for the time, not a light fighter. F-5 is a light fighter and a rich air force like USAF has no need for it.

There are no light fighters in both USAF and VVS. Pretty soon PLAAF will retire all their light fighters in exchange for medium and heavy fighters.

mk-2 tejs is as good as MMRCA contender grippen .PERIOD. More fighters in air are always an important consideration in any airforce. Ask veterons , how once BVR magic is finished , concepts like wing man and all other stuff in dog fights.PERIOD.More in number medium weight fighters like tejas are vital to IAF.

Google Mirage-2000 figures, reduce some of them and you have LCA.

There are 100s of official figure quoting authentic sites for this purpose.Reducing and increasing and bluffing is your game not mine.PERIOD.

Prove with pictures, not nonsense.

Racks on one fighter doesn't mean IAF has the same.

Racks are for very rare use. The drag penalty is unnecessary for regular use. With aircraft like MKI and Rafale with 10+ BVR loads, we don't need tiny fighters carrying more missiles. 2 + 2 missiles is very good for LCA's mission anyway.

The TWR of mk-2 tejas can overcome any miniscule drag from racks. PERIOD. Racks can also be designed to be aerodynamically efficient. Remember your statement that F-22 produces lift by it's chin. So what about efficient low lift to drag rack designs?

What you suppose and what is reality are two different things. Go see why Typhoon is delaying CFTs for so much time, even Rafale. CFTs are no joke and one of the reasons why F-16s lost the MRCA deal.

CFT extends the range with minimal drag and frees up pylons when needed. It will be used only when needed. Even ground bombing is not done in typhoon.Does that make ground bombimg irrelevant for fighters?

That's why light fighters are useless. Heavy and Medium fighters are the best for us. If you did not notice we did not choose Gripen either. Let small air forces like South Africa, Sweden and Switzerland worry about it.

You point out every flaw in light fighters which are actually more pronounced on LCA, but when it comes to LCA, you talk only nonsense.

ONE thing is sure,you should know wht is discussed here.Open a thread that light fighters are useless somewhere in this forum and load all this bull shit there. This thread discusses tejas, Not your pet ideas.

It will still get killed by a J-20.

J-20 carries at the most 2 tons . So is it a light fighter or heavy. Don't dump dumbass stuff here. PERIOD.
SO no wrong sermons on fighters you don't know a damn about anymore. PERIOD.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Also will add there is no such term call Point defense fighter any more as its obsolete when Jet era arrive..

LCA / MIG-29 / SU-30MKI / MIG-21 are area defense interceptors (or area defense fighters)..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Also LCA cannot be compared with MIR-2000 in terms of fuel carrying capacity and range..

LCA carry more fuel and more fuel efficient engine..

 

[ersakthivel]

Tejas is basically a low wing loading cranked or compound delta with lowest wing loading among all the 4th gens


If doubts about the relevancy of tejas to IAF is raised in this thread , then it will be useful if few passages with authentic source is posted about the difference between low wing loading fighters and high wingloading fighters first before discrediting it's design.

So that we all may know something about whether the critique has any logical moorings or not about the tejas design?
And they should also write a few sentences about

why from 400 + kg per square meter wingloading in F-16 the americans are progressing towards 300 plus per square meter wingloading in F-22,

Why from 500 + per square meter wingloading in sukhoi-30 MKI the russians are progressing towards 300 plus per square meter wingloading in PAKFA

Why both RAFALE and TYPHOON short listed by IAF has 300 plu per square meter wingloading?
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If such huge wings produce debilitating drag on tejas (which has a twr of more than 1), then why are all latest planes going for this high drag producing low wing loading?

Aren't they smart enough to know that high wingloading small wing area fighters have lesser drag configuration?

Why every 5th gen fighter has way lower wing loading than their 20 th century 4th gen peers?

Then if they argue tejas cannot detect and fight against 5th gen J-20,

They may also kindly shed some light on the mysterious fact that how PAKFA will detect and track and shoot J-20?

Is PAKFA a james bond?( who goes to an evening ball and seduce the bad guy's girlfriend unerringly and gains access to the bad guy's top secret facility)

So will PAKFA use the same tactic against J-20 to find out where it is?

If it is explained in a few simple points ,it will be a good enlightenment for all the members, I hope.

Holding forth on world beating aerodynamic expertise , and citing years of experience on this forum may wait for a while,until the stuff mentioned above is cleared with logical explanation and authentic source.

 

[sasi]

Both versions..

mk1 is point defender.mk2 we are taking it to multirole. How can we vote ?
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Is bogey(ka-ila) vote allowed ?

 

[ersakthivel]

mk1 is point defender.mk2 we are taking it to multirole. How can we vote ?
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Is bogey(ka-ila) vote allowed ?

All fighters do point defence roles and strike roles . LCA mk-1 and mk-2 can do the same.Only difference is mk-2 has higher weapon loads, thats all.

 

[sasi]

All fighters do point defence roles and strike roles . LCA mk-1 and mk-2 can do the same.Only difference is mk-2 has higher weapon loads, thats all.

I am not sure abt mk1. Payload 3tn and range 850km.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Point defense Fighter :

Is located at the defended target, able launch on demand, climb to altitude, manoeuvrings and then attack the bomber in a very short time before the bomber can deploy its weapons.The role of manned point defense designs was reassigned to unmanned interceptors—surface-to-air missiles (SAMs)—which first reached an adequate level in 1954–1957.SAM advancements ended the concept of high-altitude bomber operations.

^^ There is no term exist as Point defense fighter after post WW2 era..

Area defense fighters:

Area defense interceptors (or area defense fighters) were large designs intended to stay on lengthy patrol and protect a much larger area from attack, depending on great detection capabilities and high speed to reach targets.

LCA / MIG-29 / SU-30MKI / MIG-21 are area defense interceptors (or area defense fighters)..