ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[agentperry]

Worth full read:
Our Cinderella must step out : Manoj Joshi News - India Today

they need to work out on the angle of attack and that too fast.
what they are telling is all about tejas mk2 and not tejas mk1. tejas mk2 if it is so good then it should be rolled out soon. if its ready then hal should be screwed to make it faster and in a much better way, slow and steady is not a winning formula of 21st century.
hal should upgrade its capacity to manufacture something important and something so such significance for nation and force as a whole.

if IAF still rejects the plane with such capability which are indicated above and ofcourse which should be a reality on ground, then im sorry IAF has no future.

 

[anoop_mig25]

Worth full read:
Our Cinderella must step out : Manoj Joshi News - India Today
But its most important quality is that it does not reflect radar beams, unlike the metallic components of aircraft. In other words, this gives the LCA a naturally low radar signature or 'stealth' characteristics. Given its small size anyway, it is, in the words of a former fighter pilot, "virtually invisible" to adversary fighters.

The use of carbon fibre gives the LCA another advantage: with its low operational empty weight, and compared to an aircraft with similar engines, the LCA has greater thrust to weight ratio. The LCA Mk 2 is likely to have 1.53, compared to the other agile fighter, the F-16's 1.64. The Gripen has 1.44 and the JF-17 has 1.28. Indeed, the LCA's rate of acceleration compares favourably with heavy two-engined fighters like the Eurofighter, which has a thrust to weight ratio of 1.64.

its dream come true of hal if above mentioned points are correct.
but seriuossly
if above mentioned point is true then why does our IAF is rejecting it or accepting in limlted numbers only
experts at DFI should clarafiy whther what author is saying is true or false

 

[nitesh]

they need to work out on the angle of attack and that too fast.
what they are telling is all about tejas mk2 and not tejas mk1. tejas mk2 if it is so good then it should be rolled out soon. if its ready then hal should be screwed to make it faster and in a much better way, slow and steady is not a winning formula of 21st century.
hal should upgrade its capacity to manufacture something important and something so such significance for nation and force as a whole.

There was mention in this thread that AoA has been increased again, the value was not given, but yes, we can safely assume that we are not track. MK2 is what ADA is aiming, I think HAL is going to increase the facility capacity once MK1 start entering the service. Till then we need to wait and watch how things unfold.

if IAF still rejects the plane with such capability which are indicated above and ofcourse which should be a reality on ground, then im sorry IAF has no future.

Yes IAF has to understand that this does not becomes another marut. I think that the thinking process is changing in IAF, 40 are goign to be used to mainly train pilots. Plus IN is also supporting the program.

 

[nitesh]

its dream come true of hal if above mentioned points are correct.
but seriuossly
if above mentioned point is true then why does our IAF is rejecting it or accepting in limlted numbers only
experts at DFI should clarafiy whther what author is saying is true or false

More to do with complete testing, let's not jump in to extremes. Yes LCA has very tiny RCS, value will remain classified

 

[nitesh]

A good step forward:

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Ex-Tejas Test pilot Nambi is ASTE Commandant

In a move that is widely seen as an attempt to push the Tejas programme, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has appointed Air Cmde Raghunathan Nambiar as the Commandant of Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE), Bangalore. Nambiar is likely to take charge today as the 20th Commandant of ASTE, picking up his next rank as an Air Vice Marshal (AVM). Nambiar, popularly known as Nambi, was among the first Test pilots associated with the Tejas programme. During the maiden flight of Tejas on January 4, 2001, it was Nambiar who flew the lead chase Mirage aircraft, keeping a close watch on the Technology Demonstrator (TD-1), piloted by Wg Cdr Rajeev Kothiyal, now a commercial pilot and consultant to the National Civil Aircraft Development programme. Nambi's predecessor Air Cmde B.R. Krishna is likely to be joining the National Defence College for a one-year course.

 

[sathya]

Tejas program skips 2011 | idrw.org


2011 year has been one of the worst years for the India's home grown aircraft. After gaining some speed over the years in the program, 2011 has been not less than a disaster for the countries Tejas program.

After achieving its Initial operational clearance (IOC-1) at begin of 2011, Indian air force expected program to hit the speed, but after fuel leak was detected in some of the aircrafts meant that, whole fleet was grounded for a brief period. And only after the fuel leak problem was resolved the Tejas test flights began.

But that was not the only problem, which the Tejas program faced, due to extended rains, carrying out test flights from Bangalore was slow, which brought down the original number of test flights supposed to be carried out.

Another forgettable event of 2011 was that no Tejas LSP aircrafts where delivered to air force for user trials. In 2010 HAL had delivered LSP-3/4/5. Which helped the program to get the IOC-1, but in 2011 HAL has not delivered single aircraft. In 2011 HAL was supposed to have successful flight of LSP-7 and LSP-8 and this aircraft were meant for Indian air force to carry out user trials.

LSP-7/8 are supposed to be of the same standard that of Serial production aircraft and Indian air force had put together a team of pilots and engineers to study the aircraft ,so has to develop battle doctrine for the aircraft .

Navy too has been waiting for the first flight of NP-1, which was rolled out last year. NP-1 earlier faced problems with its landing gear and then it was found that its undercarriage was overweight, HAL and ADA two major agencies involved in design and manufacturing of the this aircrafts have been in past saying that this aircrafts will have their first flight by end of 2011.

Naval NP-1 has carried out engine run few months ago, but has been facing some problems with its weight, since it is a new aircraft it was expected to have some design issues, but what is holding back flights of LSP-7/8 is still a mystery. Sources close to idrw.org have told there was delay in integration of some new sub systems in the aircrafts which lead to delays. Also since this aircrafts will be up for user trials HAL wanted LSP-7/8 aircraft to be fully as per plan and as per customer request.

IAF has also raised concerns in delays of LSP-7/8 aircrafts in a recent meeting with HAL, since Tejas user trial team has been already been formed and trained over Tejas simulators , and currently was idle since this aircrafts has been no t been delivered to them yet .

HAL was also supposed to deliver first Serial Production aircrafts (SP-1/2) in March and June 2012, but now it seems that there will be some delays has well ,this aircraft were supposed to be part of the first squadron of Tejas aircraft in Indian air force .

IAF has already delayed the Final operational clearance (FOC) by a year now due to delays faced in 2011 and IOC-2 will be achieved only in mid of 2012. HAL and ADA will start working on airframe of the Tejas MK-2 and are still believe that first flight will take by end of 2012, but IAF sources believe that will be rolled out only in 2014.


hope 2012 will b good

 

[Sridhar]

[h=3]A YEAR AFTER TEJAS IOC-1: Sulking IAF waits for India's light, but late fighter | LSP-7 first flight in 2 weeks(!!): ADA | Delays genuine: HAL[/h]

By Anantha Krishnan M
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Express News Service​

Bangalore: India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas should have been ideally in the hands of Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots by now as part of the much-awaited user trials. But, the programme has once again lived up to its now-famous reputation of being light, but late. It was exactly on January 10 last year, a sulking IAF gave the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) to Tejas with riders longer than the cables inside the aircraft! Unhappy with the platform, the IAF chose to grant Tejas only IOC-1 status, and wanted all pending concerns thrashed out.
Its designers – Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and manufacturers – Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are struggling to push the last two limited series production (LSP-7 & 8) platforms into the flight-line, with many promised dates coming and going like day and night. These two aircraft are meant to be for user trials by IAF pilots.
Sources tell Express that the LSP-7 will fly in 'two weeks' with engine ground runs and low-speed taxi trials (LSTT) over. "We will have to do the high-speed taxi trials (HSTT) and then go for the first flight in two weeks' time. It's a final configuration aircraft and the integration of new systems are taking considerable time. Once the LSP-7 files, the LSP-8 too will follow suit," ADA sources claimed.
The programme is closely monitored by the project management team from IAF and reviewed every month by the Deputy Chief of Air Staff. The IAF Chief too reviews the project once in three months in addition to regular day-to-day assessments by ADA, HAL. "To earn the complete IOC mandate, all open-ended problems need to be closed. Some are critical and time-consuming. Some more missiles need to be fired at different modes," sources said.
IAF sources tell Express that Tejas will be granted the final IOC only when they are convinced that the aircraft is fit for Squadron flying and not for publicity shows. "There are some more weapon trials (air-to-ground) remaining. We are looking for a complete closure of development phase ahead of the final operational clearance," sources said.
HAL defended the delays saying that they are genuine. "We have done an LSTT of LSP-7 in December and will go for another one. The fuel-leak and subsequent re-cabling are over and the LSP-7 will fly with some prototype systems. Once the IAF is convinced, we will have the same systems flying on LSP-8," a senior HAL director said. The official said that the series production version of Tejas will be of new standards, incorporating the final configuration features.
Though the final IOC for Tejas is expected in June 2012, sources say that this could go well beyond October

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: A YEAR AFTER TEJAS IOC-1: Sulking IAF waits for India's light, but late fighter | LSP-7 first flight in 2 weeks(!!): ADA | Delays genuine: HAL

 

[nitesh]

Why this constant reference towards "new systems"? What new systems are getting incorporated.

 

[bassi.gurjeet]

Tareek par Tareek....Tareek par Tareek.....Tareek par Tareek
milti hai to sirf Tareek ....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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More Here: PHOTOS: Tejas Sea-level Trials At Goa

 

[RPK]

 

[tiranga]

Tejas Sea-level Trials At Goa

New official photographs of the LCA Tejas at Goa undergoing sea-level trials recently. The seventh limited series production aircraft (LSP-7) is expected to make its first flight by February.

 

[tiranga]

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=17103

 

[HeinzGud]

It's obvious that Tejas may replace MiG 27 and Jaguar but what will replace the venerable MiG 21????

 

[tiranga]

It's obvious that Tejas may replace MiG 27 and Jaguar but what will replace the venerable MiG 21????

They will most probably replaced by MMRCA or FGFA/AMCA aircraft so chill

 

[Dovah]

It's obvious that Tejas may replace MiG 27 and Jaguar but what will replace the venerable MiG 21????

MMRCA is for phasing out the Bisons. o_o.

 

[tiranga]

 

[RPK]

 

[JAISWAL]

can some-one identify the WEAPONS bean tested on this LCA
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[JAISWAL]

Some more pics of Goa trials.
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