How important is Hindi????

The Messiah said:

Your lack of a clear answer suggests you are tamilian first and then Indian.

If you take pride then why not let it come out in the open ? and your eye analogy doesn't hold water since tamil nadu isn't equal to India whilst both eyes are equal. tamil nadu is a part of India not whole of India.

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I am Tamilian and an Indian. Both are important to me. I cannot choose between the Two.

Secondly I believe there a lot of hypocrisy among people who say they are only Indian and do not give importance to their linguistic or ethnic identity.

If Chennai or Bangalore was the capital of India and if South India had been a Linguistically homogenous region, I too would have ignored my ethno-linguistic identity. But South is neither as Large not linguisticaly homogenous like the Hindi belt.

Generally minorities_ linguistic,religious,ethnic tend to emphasize their unique identity that differentiates them from the masses. This is inorder to safeguard their unique identity.

I believe 44% Indians are Hindi speakers. They are dominant in India.The capital is in the Hindi belt. Majority in Parliament, majority in Army. Hindi is considered the "Rashtra Bhasha". So by default it is the Hindi identity has become more or less the same as Indian identity.

So because of the above mentioned reasons, a hindi speaker has no need to emphasize much on his Linguistic or ethnic identity.


One last question to all here, if the minority in SL had been Hindi speakers instead of Tamil would they have still been a part of SL? Or would they have become Independent or merged their territory with India a long time ago?

Unfortunately the minority in SL had ethnic and linguistic commonality with only 6% of India's population. Hence there was and is bias against them. For all those who harp that they are Indians and nothing else please stop this Hypocrisy.

pmaitra said:

Ok, I could be wrong, but from what I know, Rajiv Gandhi personally courted Prabhakaran and also released funds from the Central Government coffers. I am not saying TN government did not provide their own funding, but the Centre did its own part as well.

Again, there is no solid proof.

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And then we F###ed them up for our convenience. We used them to safeguard our countries strategic interests ie, by countering the pro US SL govt of the 70s and 80s. Once the threat died down we dumped them.

There was no genuine concern here only our selfish interests that were addressed using our taxpayers money.

Param said:

One last question to all here, if the minority in SL had been Hindi speakers instead of Tamil would they have still been a part of SL? Or would they have become Independent or merged their territory with India a long time ago?

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Although that's a hypothetical question, the answer is yes, because Nepal is an independent nation, despite having large Hindi-compatible populations, a Hindu majority, and Nepali language uses Devanagiri script.

tarunraju said:

Although that's a hypothetical question, the answer is no, because Nepal is an independent nation, despite having large Hindi-compatible populations, a Hindu majority, and Nepali language uses Devanagiri script.

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Yeah but the Madheshis rule there.An they continue to get support from the most powerful region in India. They were not discriminated and treated like second class like what happened in SL.

The truth is bitter and not everyone would like to admit it. The world knows the LTTE is dead and cannot come back as a fighting force, yet GoI continues to have this Pro Sinhala policy.
Every day I come across Sinhala Ba####ds who mock at us saying that GOI and the rest of India does not give a S##t to our sentiments. They believe there is inherent bias against TN in India. They are so confident that they kill are fishermen at sea because they know GoI does nothing.

What was the reason some politicos, diplomats and bureacrats of our country use to demonise the idea of Eelam? They said that if Eelam is created TN might separate !
So these guys doubted our patriotism because of our linguistic pride and the popularity of the Dravidian movement in the past.

Coming back to the language issue one of the biggest problems in our country is the association of a particular language with patriotism. One does not need to learn a particular language to prove his patriotism.

Param said:

Yeah but the Madheshis rule there.An they continue to get support from the most powerful region in India. They were not discriminated and treated like second class like what happened in SL.

The truth is bitter and not everyone would like to admit it. The world knows the LTTE is dead and cannot come back as a fighting force, yet GoI continues to have this Pro Sinhala policy.
Every day I come across Sinhala Ba####ds who mock at us saying that GOI and the rest of India does not give a S##t to our sentiments. They believe there is inherent bias against TN in India. They are so confident that they kill are fishermen at sea because they know GoI does nothing.

What was the reason some politicos, diplomats and bureacrats of our country use to demonise the idea of Eelam? They said that if Eelam is created TN might separate !
So these guys doubted our patriotism because of our linguistic pride and the popularity of the Dravidian movement in the past.

Coming back to the language issue one of the biggest problems in our country is the association of a particular language with patriotism. One does not need to learn a particular language to prove his patriotism.

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Param, do you like the Bangladeshis?

Iamanidiot said:

If the whole of India is concerned English is a necessity in South India and North-East India.Hindi will get u through the cow belt

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As long as you have cash, you can thrive in any city of India.

Param said:

Yeah but the Madheshis rule there.An they continue to get support from the most powerful region in India. They were not discriminated and treated like second class like what happened in SL.

The truth is bitter and not everyone would like to admit it. The world knows the LTTE is dead and cannot come back as a fighting force, yet GoI continues to have this Pro Sinhala policy.
Every day I come across Sinhala Ba####ds who mock at us saying that GOI and the rest of India does not give a S##t to our sentiments. They believe there is inherent bias against TN in India. They are so confident that they kill are fishermen at sea because they know GoI does nothing.

What was the reason some politicos, diplomats and bureacrats of our country use to demonise the idea of Eelam? They said that if Eelam is created TN might separate !
So these guys doubted our patriotism because of our linguistic pride and the popularity of the Dravidian movement in the past.

Coming back to the language issue one of the biggest problems in our country is the association of a particular language with patriotism. One does not need to learn a particular language to prove his patriotism.

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Your question as I understand was that if northern Lanka was a Hindic ethnic group, would things be different. The answer to that is no. India had opportunities to annexe almost every other territory in the sub-continent at some point or the other. It could have tried its luck with Nepal, it could have annexed East Bengal after the liberation war, promising toffees to its revolutionary groups, but it didn't do so.

In the hypothetical scenario where Lankan Tamils express the desire to join the Indian Union through formal plebiscite (like Sikkimese did), I don't see how India can't respond to that.

On the one hand, Lankan Tamils expect the stars from Indian Tamils, on the other, their definition of "eelam" is too fluid, their designs come across as sinister, which can potentially cost India territory. Hence it's natural not to expect much assistance from India.

Anyway, that's not the topic of this thread. If linguistic chauvinism was anything more than trolling opposition parties and clouding the voters off genuine issues on which they should make their electoral choices, then the Anglosphere would have been one nation, and the Hindi belt would have been one entity.

Singh said:

As long as you have cash, you can thrive in any city of India.

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lakhon ki baat...

Oracle said:

Param, do you like the Bangladeshis?

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Does not matter whether a person is Bangadeshi, Pakstani or Sri lankan if they are good human beings I would like them. The probem is with Ideologies and regimes or leaders who follow and propogate hatred.

Regarding Bangladesh I like the current regime but don't like Khaleda Zia or the Bangladesh Army. The point here is I can differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys. I do not believe in clubbing them all together.

The LTTE was Brutal and part of the problem. People in TN know that. But ultimately it is the civilians who suffered between the deep sea and the devil.

Param said:

Does not matter whether a person is Bangadeshi, Pakstani or Sri lankan if they are good human beings I would like them. The probem is with Ideologies and regimes or leaders who follow and propogate hatred.

Regarding Bangladesh I like the current regime but don't like Khaleda Zia or the Bangladesh Army. The point here is I can differentiate between the good guys and the bad guys. I do not believe in clubbing them all together.

The LTTE was Bruta and part of the problem. People in TN know that. But ultimately it is the civilians who suffered between the deep sea and the devil.

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What I meant was, do you like Bangladeshis living illegally in India? I think not. I too do not. And also I do not give a hoot to those Bengalis living in Bangladesh. They are not Indians.

Btw, good that you cleared the air whom you support, the innocent Tamils of SL or the terrorist group LTTE. Let's move back to topic.

Importance of hindi is such that you can travel all over India without facing communication problems.

Even people who are not hindi speakers can understand it and some can even speak broken hindi. No other language comes close to that in India FACT!

Our very own chest thumping tamils like karthic sri can speak and understand hindi...what further proof is required ?

Tamilian Members on this forum believe that India could have supported LTTE .

And then what would have Sri Lanka done

Simply invited Pakistan and China to defend its territorial integrity

Just as India has fiercely fought in Kashmir and North eastern states for our territory
so similarly Sri lanka would have done the same

And HOW would the rest of South India felt if Pakistan and China established a base in Sri lanka

Of course initially LTTE was our creation But it was a mistake and before it could hurt India even Further
we had no choice but to dump the LTTE

Even today India 's main concern is the Chinese presence in Sri Lanka

And then what would have Sri Lanka done

Simply invited Pakistan and China to defend its territorial integrity

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And what did the Lankans do even though we refrained from helping the Tamils?
Harbored Chinese spy ships...We lost Lanka the day we we turned a blind eye to the genocide that we ought to have condemned. There are no favors in Geo Politics.

thefang said:

And what did the Lankans do even though we refrained from helping the Tamils?
Harbored Chinese spy ships...We lost Lanka the day we we turned a blind eye to the genocide that we ought to have condemned. There are no favors in Geo Politics.

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Fang, what happens in a sovereign country is not our lookout. How would you feel if tomorrow US or some country from the Eurozone doe the same thing with us. SL is a sovereign county, Tamils there are SL citizens. So the matter ends here.

Sri Lanka IS NOT BANGLADESH

Given that India DID try to break Sri Lanka it is a Big positive that today atleast India and Sri Lanka are
still friendly

Our Understanding with Sri Lanka is Simple Sri Lanka will not endanger Indian security by giving a free hand To China

At least this is what we have been PROMISED .

We have to TRUST BUT VERIFY this Commitment from Sri LAnka To India

Oracle said:

Fang, what happens in a sovereign country is not our lookout. How would you feel if tomorrow US or some country from the Eurozone doe the same thing with us. SL is a sovereign county, Tamils there are SL citizens. So the matter ends here.

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I never advocated a military action but the way we backed out of condemning them on world stage was truly disgusting, but this is a matter for a different thread, agreed.

pankaj nema said:

Tamilian Members on this forum believe that India could have supported LTTE .

And then what would have Sri Lanka done

Simply invited Pakistan and China to defend its territorial integrity

Just as India has fiercely fought in Kashmir and North eastern states for our territory
so similarly Sri lanka would have done the same

And would the rest of South India felt if Pakistan and China established a base in Sri lanka

Of course initially LTTE was our creation But it was a mistake and before it could hurt India even Further
we had no choice but to dump the LTTE

Even today India 's main concern is the Chinese presence in Sri Lanka

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No one is asking to support any militant organisation. Post Rajiv assasination there is absolutely no question of support. I do not know exactly why we sent IPKF in 1987. But the LTTE committed a mistake by not accepting the peace deal and fighting with the IPKF. They would have remained in our good books and not declared terrorists.

I was talking about post 2009 policy of GOI that is heavily pro Sinhala.

Lastly, a this China presence stuff is a Bogeyman used by some clever Bureaucrats and diplomats to justify India's support to the SL govt in 2008 and 2009.
Do you really believe India or the US would have allowed the Chinese to set up a base in SL???:shocked:

Pak* base in SL?

thefang said:

I never advocated a military action but the way we backed out of condemning them on world stage was truly disgusting, but this is a matter for a different thread, agreed.

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Condemn them for what? Killing terrorists?

LTTE was one of the most violent terrorist organization the world witnessed. They killed one of our PMs.

All those innocent Tamils who died there in SL were used as human shields by the LTTE.

Btw, it's SLanka's issue and I respect them as a sovereign country.

If India has the right to tackle the issues in J&K, then Indians have no right interfering in the sovereign issues of SL.

Param said:

No one is asking to support any militant organisation. Post Rajiv assasination there is absolutely no question of support. I do not know exactly why we sent IPKF in 1987. But the LTTE committed a mistake by not accepting the peace deal and fighting with the IPKF. They would have remained in our good books and not declared terrorists.

I was talking about post 2009 policy of GOI that is heavily pro Sinhala.

Lastly, a this China presence stuff is a Bogeyman used by some clever Bureaucrats and diplomats to justify India's support to the SL govt in 2008 and 2009.
Do you really believe India or the US would have allowed the Chinese to set up a base in SL???:shocked:

Pak* base in SL?

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Why does the GoI's stance on supporting a democratically elected government in SL bother you?

Tamils of SLanka are Slankans, they are not Indians.

Oracle said:

Fang, what happens in a sovereign country is not our lookout. How would you feel if tomorrow US or some country from the Eurozone doe the same thing with us. SL is a sovereign county, Tamils there are SL citizens. So the matter ends here.

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But then one should not expect Tamilians in India to be friendly with a country and a regime that comes genocide on Tamils in a neighboring country. We are Tomorrow if 4000 madhesis get butchered in Nepal do you thing the population of nothern Bihar or UP would be indifferent?