Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

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  1. rockdog

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    From 16th Feb, the situation seems towarding better.

    1. Other provnices increase 200 cases yesterday, and 10 provinces report zero case.

    2. New cases are also start to decrease in Hubei province and Wuhan.

    3. But the real number of cases and numbers of death in Wuhan are definitely higher than government reports.

    Since the whole health care system is almost over capacity. The are 35000 bed been built for coronavirus but still lots of people have no bed and only stay at home. Plus if people dead at home, the death won't be counted by coronavirus. Me and my doctor friends guess the real death number is 30% more than current report.

    We counldn't blame too much to the goverment, since it dosen't want to hide things just no ability to count. If you check the death rate out of Wuhan, there are only 0.2%, but inside Wuhan death is rate as high as 4%, it's just because no enough bed, treatment and doctors & nurses here.

    From some inside goverment file, another 15000 bed are preparing, and worst case there are 100,000 bed finally might needed. But today my doctor friend said might no need that much.

    I support Wuhan's lockdown, it's war time. 40000 - 50000 patients now suck up all the mobile resources of doctors and nurses national widely including PLA med corp. We wouldn't affoard any big city loss like Wuhan, especially Beijing or Shanghai. Imaging if there are 1 million people effected with 3% death rate, there will be 30000 died, it will be a total disaster.
     
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    All stories happens in the past, not this time no body wears mask, and some wearing shorts... Be smart bro...
     
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    Glad to hear you guys are finally bringing it under control!
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Gotta repeat the test after 28 days or so..just to be extra extra sure.
    That is good news...good news!
     
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    Thank you for the update!
    What are the symptoms of the patients?
    Who are the countries that have contributed doctors and scientists for WHO contingent?
    What kind of help WHO is providing to China?

    Be safe! I hope you are using proxy server in communicating with us. Because, it is my understanding that this website is banned in China.
     
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  7. Craigs

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    Another 10years and 50 centers will say this was a case of bad flu that is all, no abuses happened.
     
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  9. rockdog

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    It start with fever, cough and breath with difficulty; Finally it would destroy your lung.

    Most young people would recover by medical assistant, but old people not only die by pneumonia, the virus will weaken your immune system, lots old people dead by heart attack or other chronic disease。

    The average age of death is 68, but Dr Li Wenliang died at 34 he is so unlucky.


    So far no forgein doctors and nurse here. The mobile resouces from national wide and PLA is just OK.
    The biggest shortage is equipments like N93, N95 mask, ECMO and other life-support machine stuff.

    And Chinese scientists publish the DNA of virus at the beginning of Jan and sharing with world. Scientist over the world are researching it. WHO said vaccine will be out withn 18 months but no one would wait that long.

    The biggest hope for now is Remdesivir from an American company Gilead, it's on 90% experimental process but Chinese doctors already using it for some patients but government with Gilead still making double-blind experiments in Wuhan.

    So far no direct help from WHO. But China and WHO are evaluating the situation together. Then WHO would judege what will be the impact to the rest nations of world.

    China is relatively "rich" among developing nations, and 1/5 of Wuhan's doctors have background studying in USA or EU as my personal count. And CCP has strongest ability control the each details of sociaty which is good for this crisis. But WHO worries if it outbreak in India or other nations, and the government is not taht strong, it would cause global crisis.


    Thank you, I am OK and using it.

    VPN for personal use is no problem here, you just need to avoid to circulate or re-sell it, then won't be problem.

    Companies and school need to apply the permission for using VPN with buiness or scientific purpose, otherwise using VPN without registration on organization level is illegel here.

    Of course people still use VPN go facebook, VOA or even pornhub secrectly... ^_^
     
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    Final test of 406 people at ITBP facility found negative for coronavirus

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    The final test reports of all 406 people who are at Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) Quarantine Facility in Chhawla, New Delhi found negative for new corona virus. These people had travelled from Wuhan, China.
    http://www.newsonair.com/Main-News-Details.aspx?id=381439
     
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    Chandigarh: Suspected coronavirus patient at PGIMER tests negative

    A SUSPECTED coronavirus patient admitted to the Post-Graduate Institute of Medical Education and Research (PGIMER) on Saturday evening has tested negative for the virus.

    The suspect, a resident of Sector 37 in Chandigarh, had been working in a Singapore-based firm and had arrived in Chandigarh on February 9. After his arrival, he developed flu-like symptoms and due to his travel history was admitted to an isolation ward at PGIMER.
     
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  12. Why so serious?

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    To tame Coronavirus, Mao-style social control blankets China
    Authorities have been combining enormous manpower with mobile technology to track people in China.
    By New York Times | Updated: Feb 17, 2020, 09.13 AM IST

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    “Banning everyone from out of town wasn’t realistic,” said Zhang, 29, an accountant. “There are so many of them, after all. Some needed to come back for work.”
    China has flooded cities and villages with battalions of neighborhood busybodies, uniformed volunteers and Communist Party representatives to carry out one of the biggest social control campaigns in history.

    The goal: to keep hundreds of millions of people away from everyone but their closest kin.



    The nation is battling the coronavirus outbreak with a grassroots mobilization reminiscent of former Communist Chairman Mao Zedong’s mass crusades, not seen in China in decades — essentially entrusting front-line epidemic prevention to a supercharged version of a neighborhood watch.

    Housing complexes in some cities have issued the equivalents of paper hall passes to regulate how often residents leave their homes. Apartment buildings have turned away their own tenants if they have come from out of town. Train stations block people from entering cities if they cannot prove they live or work there. In the countryside, villages have been gated off with vehicles, tents and other improvised barriers.


    Despite China’s arsenal of high-tech surveillance tools, the controls are mainly enforced by hundreds of thousands of workers and volunteers, who check residents’ temperature, log their movements, oversee quarantines and — most important — keep away outsiders who might carry the virus.

    Residential lockdowns of varying strictness — from checkpoints at building entrances to hard limits on going outdoors — now cover at least 760 million people in China, or more than half the country’s population, according to a New York Times analysis of government announcements in provinces and major cities. Many of these people live far from the city of Wuhan, where the virus was first reported and which the government sealed off last month.


    Throughout China, neighborhoods and localities have issued their own rules about residents’ comings and goings, which means the total number of affected people may be even higher. Policies vary widely, leaving some places in a virtual freeze and others with few strictures.

    China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, has called for an all-out “people’s war” to tame the outbreak. But the restrictions have prevented workers from returning to factories and businesses, straining China’s giant economy. And with local officials exercising such direct authority over people’s movements, it is no surprise that some have taken enforcement to extremes.


    Li Jing, 40, an associate professor of sociology at Zhejiang University in the eastern city of Hangzhou, was almost barred from taking her husband to a hospital recently after he choked on a fish bone during dinner. The reason? Her neighborhood allows only one person per family to leave the house, every other day.

    “Once the epidemic was disclosed, the central government put huge pressure on local officials,” Li said. “That triggered competition between regions, and local governments turned from overly conservative to radical.

    “Even when the situation is relieved or if the mortality rate turns out not to be high, the government machine is unable to change direction or tune down,” she added.

    China’s prevention efforts are being led by its myriad neighborhood committees, which typically serve as a go-between for residents and local authorities. Supporting them is the government’s “grid management” system, which divides the country into tiny sections and assigns people to watch over each, ensuring a tight grip over a large population.

    Zhejiang province, on China’s southeastern seaboard, has a population of nearly 60 million and has enlisted 330,000 “grid workers.” Hubei province, whose capital is Wuhan, has deployed 170,000. The southern province of Guangdong has called upon 177,000, landlocked Sichuan has 308,000, and the megacity of Chongqing has 118,000.

    Authorities are also combining enormous manpower with mobile technology to track people who may have been exposed to the virus. China’s state-run cellular providers allow subscribers to send text messages to a hotline that generates a list of provinces they have recently visited.

    At a high-speed rail station in the eastern city of Yiwu this past week, workers in hazmat suits demanded that passengers send the text messages that show their location data before being allowed to leave.

    An app developed by a state-run maker of military electronics lets Chinese citizens enter their name and national ID number and be told whether they may have come in contact, on a plane, train or bus, with a carrier of the virus.

    It is too early to say whether China’s strategy has contained the outbreak. With large numbers of new infections being reported every day, the government has clear reasons for minimizing human contact and domestic travel. But experts said that in epidemics, overbearing measures can backfire, scaring infected people into hiding and making the outbreak harder to control.

    “Public health relies on public trust,” said Alexandra Phelan, a specialist in global health law at Georgetown University. “These community-level quarantines and the arbitrary nature in which they’re being imposed and tied up with the police and other officials is essentially making them into punitive actions — a coercive action rather than a public health action.”

    In Zhejiang, one of China’s most developed provinces and home to Alibaba and other technology companies, people have written on social media about being denied entry to their own apartments in Hangzhou, the provincial capital. Coming home from out of town, they said, they were asked to produce documents from landlords and employers or be left on the street.

    For Nada Sun, who was visiting family in Wenzhou, a coastal city in Zhejiang, a health scare turned into a mandatory quarantine.

    When Sun, 29, complained of tightness in her chest this month, her mother told her to go to the hospital. She did not have a high fever, yet the hospital gave her a battery of checks. All came back negative for the virus.

    Even so, when she returned to her apartment, she was told that she would be quarantined for two weeks. She was also added to a group on the WeChat messaging app with a local Communist Party secretary and other volunteers in which she has to submit her temperature and location twice a day.

    “I’m worried they have too much information,” Sun said.

    The lockdowns are not necessarily oppressive. Many people in China have been happy to wall themselves off, ordering groceries online and working from home if they can. Some neighborhood officials act with a humane touch.

    Bob Huang, a Chinese-born American living in northern Zhejiang, said the volunteers at his complex had helped chase down a man who stayed out overnight to drink, in violation of rules about how often people can step outside. Yet they also delivered food from McDonald’s to a quarantined family.

    Huang, 50, has been able to dodge the restrictions by using a special pass from the property manager, and he has been driving around delivering protective face masks to friends. Some building complexes don’t let him in. Others take down his information.

    A nearby village took a less orthodox approach.

    “They always start asking questions in the local dialect, and if you can respond in the local dialect, you are allowed to go in,” Huang said. Unable to speak the dialect, he had to wait, though the villagers were friendly. They gave him a folding chair, offered him a cigarette and didn’t ask for an ID.

    Some parts of China have imposed other, often severe policies for fending off the epidemic.

    Hangzhou has barred pharmacies from selling analgesics to force people with symptoms to seek treatment at hospitals. The eastern city of Nanjing requires anybody who takes a cab to show ID and leave contact information. Yunnan province wants all public places to display QR codes that people must scan with their phones whenever they enter or exit.

    Many places have banned large gatherings. Police in Hunan province this month destroyed a mahjong parlor where they found more than 20 people playing the tile game.

    With local governments deciding such policies largely on their own, China has become a vast patchwork of fiefs.

    “It can be quite haphazard,” said Zhou Xun, a historian of modern China at the University of Essex in England. “A perfect plan on paper often turns into makeshift solutions locally.”

    Officials seem to recognize that some local authorities have gone too far. This month, Chen Guangsheng, the deputy secretary-general of Zhejiang’s provincial government, called it “inappropriate” that some places had employed “simple and crude practices,” like locking people into their homes, to enforce quarantines.

    National officials on Saturday urged towns and villages to remove unnecessary roadblocks and ensure the smooth transport of food and supplies.

    Zhang Yingzi’s apartment complex in Hangzhou initially forbade anybody who had been out of town from entering. Later, the ban was adjusted to cover only people coming from Hubei province and the Zhejiang cities of Wenzhou and Taizhou, both of which have had many cases of the new virus.

    “Banning everyone from out of town wasn’t realistic,” said Zhang, 29, an accountant. “There are so many of them, after all. Some needed to come back for work.”

    Still, many in China are uneasy about loosening up virus controls too quickly.

    Zhang Shu, 27, worries that her parents and neighbors are becoming cavalier about the virus, even as workers drive around her village near Wenzhou with loudspeakers telling people to stay home.

    “Ordinary people are slowly starting to feel that the situation isn’t so horrible anymore,” she said. “They are restless.”
     
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  14. rockdog

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    People trap at home for 25 days and getting bored, a girl just plays kung-fu while throw the trash.





    She is so hot.
     
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    Do u know origins of Shaolin Kungfu? Do read about Bodhidharma. You will amazed to see the relations between ancient Indian and Chinese civilization
     
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    Yes, the founder of Shaolin Template is an Indian, travelled from acient India to mid China.

    But this girl is playing Kungfu from E-mei, a Taoism branch.
     
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    Yesterday I heard that the number of infected victims is now throttling in China. Is that really true?
     
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    Time till March 22 is crucial as per indian astrology as planets are under influence of Ketu the one who causes epidemic type situations , Medicine for this will not be in sight till September or October 2020 .
     
  19. rockdog

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    The data and graph is here, it's updated by hours

    https://news.sina.cn/zt_d/yiqing012...c=22&tj=cxvertical_wap_wnews&tr=73&vt=4&pos=3

    Provinces except Hubei province increased 166 cases on 16th Feb, we can say it's almost under control.
    And data are decreasing with obvious trend for last 13 days:
    (890,731,707,696,558,509,444,381,377,312,267,221,166),decrease rate(18.9%,3.3%,1.6%,19.8%,8.8%,12.8%,14.2%,1.0%,17.2%,14.4%,17.2%,24.9%,30.7%).

    Hubei privince increased 1800 cases on 16th Feb, and Wuhan with 80% with them. The number is also starts to decreasing, thanks to the war-time level of isolation.

    The real number of cases and numbers of death in Wuhan are definitely higher than government reports.

    Since the whole health care system is almost over capacity. The are 35000 beds been built for coronavirus but still lots of people have no bed and only stay at home. Plus if people dead at home, the death won't be counted by coronavirus. Me and my doctor friends guess the real death number is 30% more than current report.

    We counldn't blame too much to the goverment, it dosen't want to hide things just no ability to count. If you check the death rate out of Wuhan, there are only 0.2%, but inside Wuhan death rate is as high as 4%, it's just because no enough bed, treatment and doctors & nurses here.

    From some inside goverment file, another 15000 bed are preparing, and worst case there are 100,000 bed finally might needed. But today my doctor friend said might no need that much.

    Anyway, differnt resources from my doctor friends, local connections; the worst time just passed. But Wuhan is still in tough situation and i can expect the community isolation will last at least 10 days.
     
  20. Craigs

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    Dr Li Wenliang - died young really "unlucky" or maybe silenced intentionally - we will never know.
     
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