What should be Indian response to Pathankot?

[no smoking]

Like India has no nuclear weapons or it won't retailiate.
Do you know about gap?
Pakistan claims India has material for 2,000 nukes
That's 1,000 through neutral sources though

It doesn't matter who got a bigger dick! As long as they have the nuke, India won't risk getting herself into a nuclear war for just a few death. Yes, India can win in a nuclear war, but at what cost? Is this cost worth revenging the death of just few death?

As more a more research continues, India will come near slowly slowly to MT club.

So what? Everyone will laugh their ass off. You know why? Because you can't use it.

You don't need to care about us. But P5 must care it if India isn't going to be a permanent member of UNSC. :biggrin2:
Hope you understand.

No, P5 don't care either. Cold war is over, no one is offering you a permanent seat just because of your nuclear weapon. By the way, no one got their permanent seat simply because she has nuclear weapon.

 

[garg_bharat]

Well, we are playing very nice world politics helping ourselves to emerge at global arena. Our respect, fear and leniency is rising among all countries except pakis.
They are some sort of zombie like animals.
Even if there comes a day that Indian Military is in an equilibrium with rest of of world, pakiland, will be only country who'll remain ready to challenge us always. :grin:

Paki don't have a magic bullet. Believe me they don't.

Nationalism is not an alternative to happiness. Ultimately nationalism withers away if people are poor and unhappy.

The exploding population of Pakistan; alongwith serious lack of opportunities for youngsters is the biggest security challenge for Pakistan.

 

[garg_bharat]

No, P5 don't care either. Cold war is over, no one is offering you a permanent seat just because of your nuclear weapon. By the way, no one got their permanent seat simply because she has nuclear weapon.

China should set an example by giving up its nuclear weapons. Seriously.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

It doesn't matter who got a bigger dick! As long as they have the nuke, India won't risk getting herself into a nuclear war for just a few death. Yes, India can win in a nuclear war, but at what cost? Is this cost worth revenging the death of just few death?

Didn't got your point.
India won't start nuclear war given it's no first use policy.
The only country who's today ready play nuclear-nuclear with us is your all weather friend akistan.
But India is already in for a massive retaliation for a provocation.
And given capabilities of India and Pakistan, pakistan won't able to retaliate once India starts using nukes.
Your point is only valid if India keeps sitting like a saint even after attack.

Or if you think, India will risk it's interests and will lean to pak for just preventing struggle, that would be absurd. Because India can even make much bigger destruction to occur.
Or if International community intervenes, it would be worrying more for pak, because cockroaches are first victims in Elephant stampede.

I don't guess pakis will use their brain. Because you Chinese have screwed your all weather friends in more positions than written in our Indian Kamasutra.
Obviously, their wiring would have become so loose.

So what? Everyone will laugh their ass off. You know why? Because you can't use it.

It's not for first use, it's for retaliation. Otherwise, we must laugh on Chinese first. Because I think commies also have an NFU policy like Indians.

No, P5 don't care either. Cold war is over, no one is offering you a permanent seat just because of your nuclear weapon. By the way, no one got their permanent seat simply because she has nuclear weapon.

Off course, nobody will also care about P5 in future.
Countries out of security council are expanding their power day by day, India who's already emerging as a major force both economically and militarily, could catch up US, Russia, China in 20-30 years and even then not included in P5, what anybody gonna expect from such an organization.
France and Britain aren't not powerful and influential as before.
P5 passes a resolution, India denies it but P5 would not be in the position to make pressure on India.
Some countries would be aligned with P5, some with India.
Russia would have lost in league, France and Britain would no longer great powers, US and China will have confrontation, other player India is standing outside the league, many powers like Brazil, Indonesia and Philippines would be emerging.
Simply, P5 would be a voiceless organization who gives orders which nobody gonna obey.

 

[garg_bharat]

It is foolish to talk about P5. UN security council hardly agrees on anything these days. There is a chasm developing between US-France-UK on one side and China-Russia on the other side.

China tries to behave like it is on both sides but nobody trusts it anymore.

West will continue to like China as long as China plays by its rules. That's about it.

 

[no smoking]

Didn't got your point.
India won't start nuclear war given it's no first use policy.

It doesn't matter if India has NFU because Pakistan doesn't have this policy. They make it very clear that they will use it if they is going to lose a big war. So, India has to be very careful about your punishment, you have to keep it in a very limited level.

It's not for first use, it's for retaliation. Otherwise, we must laugh on Chinese first. Because I think commies also have an NFU policy like Indians.

That is where you show your stupidity. Unlike India, Chinese doesn't see India as her major enemy. When Chinese got their nuke, it was still in cold war. The major threats to China were US and USSR, both had nuclear pre-emptive strike as the key part of their war plan.

Off course, nobody will also care about P5 in future.

Sure, that is why India is asking to join them.

Countries out of security council are expanding their power day by day, India who's already emerging as a major force both economically and militarily, could catch up US, Russia, China in 20-30 years and even then not included in P5, what anybody gonna expect from such
......

Russia would have lost in league, France and Britain would no longer great powers, US and China will have confrontation, other player India is standing outside the league, many powers like Brazil, Indonesia and Philippines would be emerging.
Simply, P5 would be a voiceless organization who gives orders which nobody gonna obey.

Don't need to tell me, call your Modi to stop wasting money on the campaign.

 

[garg_bharat]

Don't need to tell me, call your Modi to stop wasting money on the campaign.

India does not spend any significant money on this campaign. I would advise you to present evidence than insinuate. It is just a diplomatic initiative, and it's result does not affect anything much.

It doesn't matter if India has NFU because Pakistan doesn't have this policy. They make it very clear that they will use it if they is going to lose a big war. So, India has to be very careful about your punishment, you have to keep it in a very limited level.

India will retaliate in a massive manner, I guarantee. It is for pakistan to think about what is appropriate for it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

It doesn't matter if India has NFU because Pakistan doesn't have this policy. They make it very clear that they will use it if they is going to lose a big war. So, India has to be very careful about your punishment, you have to keep it in a very limited level.

According to Indian Nuclear Doctrine, India won't use nuclear weapons for a conventional attack but will give maximum punishment for a nuclear attack.
So, why would we keep it in limited level after attack?

That is where you show your stupidity. Unlike India, Chinese doesn't see India as her major enemy.

Probably, even you guys won't for 20 years. We started economic liberalization in 90s. If we could have started earlier, we could be in better economic condition.
Large Economy means more defense budget and for research & development providing gain of technology.
Yet if current speed goes on, we can catch up US and China's league in 15-20 years. Large Economy, better tech, 6-7000 aircraft, 4-5 carriers and 40+ submarines. AMCA, DEW and space aspects would also have been achieved by then.
Till then, India won't get status in World which US and China has today.
But


That wasn't our topic.

When Chinese got their nuke, it was still in cold war. The major threats to China were US and USSR, both had nuclear pre-emptive strike as the key part of their war plan.

Etc. etc. US also empresses concerns over Indian Missile Tests, no need to mention China.
Yet
It you'll read before posts, you will come to know that you said our weapons useless because of NFU and I reminded that you're same as that ours in doctrine.
And look, you dragged that in strategic aspect which wasn't even discussed.

Sure, that is why India is asking to join them.

Don't need to tell me, call your Modi to stop wasting money on the campaign.

You again didn't read my post.
P5 would be ineffective because 3 out of 5 members would have lost major power status.
Get some new players as members, like G4.

 

[cannonfodder]

Hey Chinki, Your bitch had your nukes in kargil war as well as.. Please tell mindus why commie bomb wasn't used to save Paki soldiers disguised as Islamic freedom fighters then? India attacked Paki borders in 2015 as well with disproportionate fire power where did those tactical nukes go. . Even Iran fires rockets now and then in to land of pure.

See this actually kind proves the point that Chinkis will continue to harass India using its paki bitch. Commie on this forum is dead sure that mindus cannot do any thing but watch people die in terrorist attacks. It is up to mindus to call off this bluff played by commies and muzzies(internally and externally). In way India is playing by the rules set by its adversary .

Well, kid, I am trying to make you understand one thing: since Pakistan got nuclear weapon, there is not much India government can do.

Read my post again chinki, I am opposing this stupidity of India for going to UN with evidence. Even if govt does not agree with my position, I have the right to voice my opinion; this is called democracy. It is not commie land where political party decides how many children one should have and what to say in media.. .

Grow up, kid, India doesn't need give UN any proof, you know why?
1. India doesn't need UN on this issue;
2. No one cares.

 

[no smoking]

India does not spend any significant money on this campaign. I would advise you to present evidence than insinuate. It is just a diplomatic initiative, and it's result does not affect anything much.

Here is a paper about Australia winning a 2 year term seat, the Australian senator claimed that OZ spent $25m for this seat. Do you really believe that other countries will gift India a permanent seat without any significant money or benefit?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-19/australia-wins-seat-on-un-security-council/4321946

India will retaliate in a massive manner, I guarantee. It is for pakistan to think about what is appropriate for it.

No doubt about that! But the question is: at what cost? India is also retaliated in a massive manner?
Unlike India, Pakistan made it very clear that they will use it if they are losing big in a war. You can call them bluffing. The problem is Modi doesn't agree with you.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Unlike India, Pakistan made it very clear that they will use it if they are losing big in a war.

Like it even could save them from us.

Let them do, we will tell what sort of animals Indians are.

You can call them bluffing. The problem is Modi doesn't agree with you.

What the hell? Are you personal advisor of Modi. Or are you his secretary or girlfriend? How can you say that?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Here is a paper about Australia winning a 2 year term seat, the Australian senator claimed that OZ spent $25m for this seat. Do you really believe that other countries will gift India a permanent seat without any significant money or benefit?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-19/australia-wins-seat-on-un-security-council/4321946

Strategic approach and power. That's all.
Sorry, I missed this line before.

At what cost? India is retaliated in a massive way.

Good to know pakis are able to retaliate in a massive way.(They could even retaliate when India starts is debatable in fact. :biggrin2: )
(Already weakling military plus no second strike capability)
What's next?
Ukraine retaliates Russia.
Vietnam Retaliates China.
North Korea retaliates American.
You know, that's even not funny anymore.
Pakis are nothing more than a crazy monkey jumping around us which is even not noticed (unless any terrorist attack occurs) but you're somehow trying to prove that you guys can use Pak to neutralize us.
Seriously, do you know about Expanding gap between India and rest of South Asian countries?

 

[no smoking]

According to Indian Nuclear Doctrine, India won't use nuclear weapons for a conventional attack but will give maximum punishment for a nuclear attack.
So, why would we keep it in limited level after attack?

The problem is not how you response to a nuclear attack. It is how you response to your so called 'terrorism attack" from Pakistan. You can win another Kargil war but that won't change anything as history told us. So what else you can do, escalating the war? You can't! Because Pakistan will use nuclear weapon if they are losing BIG in a conventional war.

Probably, even you guys won't for 20 years. We started economic liberalization in 90s. If we could have started earlier, we could be in better economic condition.
Large Economy means more defense budget and for research & development providing gain of technology.
Yet if current speed goes on, we can catch up US and China's league in 15-20 years. Large Economy, better tech, 6-7000 aircraft, 4-5 carriers and 40+ submarines. AMCA, DEW and space aspects would also have been achieved by then.
Till then, India won't get status in World which US and China has today.
But.That wasn't our topic.

Let's leave that to the future. Nobody can see that far. History is full of examples that countries fail in the last hundreds meters.

Etc. etc. US also empresses concerns over Indian Missile Tests, no need to mention China.
Yet
It you'll read before posts, you will come to know that you said our weapons useless because of NFU and I reminded that you're same as that ours in doctrine. And look, you dragged that in strategic aspect which wasn't even discussed.

Obviously, you don't understand the difference between India and China's NFU.
China's enemy is country like USA and USSR who had overwhelming advantage on both nuclear and conventional forces. They can beat China in both way, easily. So, Chinese NFU is actual statement: don't use nuclear force, we will accept any loss in a conventional war. As a result, Chinese nuclear weapon can't be used against anyone else because of this policy. But it doesn't matter because with the combination of nuclear weapon and NFU policy, Chinese avoided a potential nuclear war and increase their safty. Remember that was cold, Americans and Russians did have nuclear war plan. And quite few times, the world were not far away from nuclear war.

In the case of India. Your major enemies are Pakistan and China. Pakistan is inferior in both fields while China has only a slight advantage on nuclear weapon but equal on conventional war machine. However, since China's nuclear was focus on USSR before and USA now, they can't use it against India. So, nuclear weapons doesn't increase your safety. Instead, you have to declare a NFU to avoid further political and economic cost.

You again didn't read my post.
P5 would be ineffective because 3 out of 5 members would have lost major power status.
Get some new players as members, like G4.

Again, you are not there yet and they haven't lost major power status yet. So, we have to wait.

 

[garg_bharat]

@no smoking, there are varying estimates about China's nuclear weapons, some estimates as high as 3000 warheads.

It is hard to understand China's actual stance - both conventional or nuclear.

At the moment the dynamic is that India is running scared of China; and Pakistan is running scared of India (at least superficially).

I believe that any war is dangerous, for India as well as for the adversary. A big war may get really tough for Pakistan as its security is hanging from a thread. China will find it very hard to stabilize Pakistan if its key cities are destroyed.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

The problem is not how you response to a nuclear attack. It is how you response to your so called 'terrorism attack" from Pakistan. You can win another Kargil war but that won't change anything as history told us. So what else you can do, escalating the war? You can't! Because Pakistan will use nuclear weapon if they are losing BIG in a conventional war.

And we are saints who won't use nukes in return.

Let's leave that to the future. Nobody can see that far. History is full of examples that countries fail in the last hundreds meters.

Let's see. Do or die.

Obviously, you don't understand the difference between India and China's NFU.
China's enemy is country like USA and USSR who had overwhelming advantage on both nuclear and conventional forces. They can beat China in both way, easily. So, Chinese NFU is actual statement: don't use nuclear force, we will accept any loss in a conventional war. As a result, Chinese nuclear weapon can't be used against anyone else because of this policy. But it doesn't matter because with the combination of nuclear weapon and NFU policy, Chinese avoided a potential nuclear war and increase their safty. Remember that was cold, Americans and Russians did have nuclear war plan. And quite few times, the world were not far away from nuclear war.

In the case of India. Your major enemies are Pakistan and China. Pakistan is inferior in both fields while China has only a slight advantage on nuclear weapon but equal on conventional war machine. However, since China's nuclear was focus on USSR before and USA now, they can't use it against India. So, nuclear weapons doesn't increase your safety. Instead, you have to declare a NFU to avoid further political and economic cost.

And major successor of Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, turned into China's best friend.
Friends change with time.
And you're talking of USA, I guess you may be well aware of their nature.
US isn't teasing China because it's communist, it irks because of it's power. They won't India to neutralize China but will never want as another neutralizer.
Similarly, India wants to use US a shield for short term emerge safely without problem.
Here's, latest piece from US.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/03/26/457700/Toner-India-Missile-Agni/
Similarly, your media isn't avoiding butter polishing.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/974019.shtml

Again, you are not there yet and they haven't lost major power status yet. So, we have to wait.

Already beaten up France and UK in GFP.
In fact, India may be behind US, Russia or China but there gonna be no exaggeration to calling our power akin to France or UK.
So, UNSC is our right.

 

[sorcerer]

After Pathankot operations, IAF holds massive combat exercise TALON



First time after Pathankot operations, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is holding a massive exercise code named TALON across the northern and western borders with Pakistan and China.

All frontline squadrons of fighter aircraft including those of the Su-30MKI would be on high alert from Kargil and Leh airbase in Ladakh to the Nal airbase in Rajasthan's Bikaner.

As part of the mega exercise, IAF has also laid stress on securing it's airbase periphery and has deployed it's unmanned aerial vehicles to keep an eye on movement in and around it.

The IAF has decided to strengthen airbase security after its base in Pathankot was repulsed successfully.

The combat drills will see different types of fighters - from Sukhoi-30MKIs and Mirage-2000s to Jaguars and MiG-29s as well as force-multipliers like mid-air refuellers and AWACS (airborne warning and control systems) - take to the skies.

NETWORK-CENTRIC WAR GAME

With the nodes of IACCS (integrated air command and control system) also becoming operational on the western front facing Pakistan, the exercise will be conducted in networked environment.

The automated IACCS enables quick transfer of data from low-level transportable radars, high-power static radars and medium-power radars as well as ground stations of AWACS and aerostat radars to one central place. This provides a composite real-time air situation picture to ensure operations can be conducted in a much swifter, cohesive and effective manner.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...g-massive-combat-exercise-talon/1/761777.html

 

[bannedguy123]

We should have blocked all pakistani import-export from sea until pakistan hand over the culprits. This is a very tough stance but we really need it to control pakistan.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

We should have blocked all pakistani import-export from sea until pakistan hand over the culprits. This is a very tough stance but we really need it to control pakistan.

On Topic:
My ill informed friend.
There is already insignificant trade between India and Pakistan which could benifit us significantly if was enough high.


India has already given MFN to Pakistan for trade and to import some from them but same was not done by Pak to save their domestic industries.
Pakistan can be a good bridge to excess Mid Eastern and Central Asian Markets. So, we need trade in fact.
If really want to "control" them, conquer their market, cutting down trade won't affect much as it's already very very low.
Off Topic:
Your username is ************** but it's not an Indian Site. DefenceTalk.net is a small international Chinese Defense Forum with no notable activities or members.

 

[republic_roi97]

My ill informed friend.
There is already insignificant trade between India and Pakistan which could benifit us significantly if was enough high.

Sir, I think he meant that, we should block all the trade that pakistan does through Indian Ocean via Arabian sea. Not just "trade with India" but all of it which happens through the sea.

 

[Scarface]

On Topic:
My ill informed friend.
There is already insignificant trade between India and Pakistan which could benifit us significantly if was enough high.


India has already given MFN to Pakistan for trade and to import some from them but same was not done by Pak to save their domestic industries.
Pakistan can be a good bridge to excess Mid Eastern and Central Asian Markets. So, we need trade in fact.
If really want to "control" them, conquer their market, cutting down trade won't affect much as it's already very very low.
Off Topic:
Your username is ************** but it's not an Indian Site. DefenceTalk.net is a small international Chinese Defense Forum with no notable activities or members.

OFF-TOPIC
http://www.**************
Seems Indian to me,
But really,choosing a URL for a display name was a bad idea