Origin of Rajputs

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Is there any genealogy of a Muslim Rajput as some people claim ?
None. The term Rajput comes from Rajaputra. To put in simplest manner - Rajputs are the progeny and relatives of Hindu Kashtriya royals.
Royals exist in every community/society but this entire concept of Rajputs has Hindu origins.
Muslims don't acknowledge any caste system. One could either be a Rajput or a Muslim. Not both at the same time.
Muslims have Ashraf and Ajilaf classes though but formed on a very different basis.
The closest equivalent of Rajputs in Muslims would be the term Amirzada; which means 'son a noble'.

Kachwahas Rajputs were one of the first and most steadfast allies of Mughals in India.
Mughal emperors recognized the Kachwaha King in their court as 'Mirza Raja'; where Mirza is a title that is derived from the same Amirzada only.

Claims of royal lineage are a cool thing to do .. as long as they are politically relevant and profiting to the claimant.
Sometimes there are the Rajputs to cling on .. at other times it would be Persians/Arabs and likewise.

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Muslims have Ashraf and Ajilaf classes though but formed on a very different basis.

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This Ashraf and Ajlaf concept was a political tactic which was adopted first by the Mamluk Dynasty as they were slaves themselves who came in power and this was to increase their status and again the same concept was adopted by Tughlaq Dynasty . Ghiyath al-Din Tughluq, born of a Slave Turk father Malik Tughlaq and Hindu Jat mother .
 

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None. The term Rajput comes from Rajaputra. To put in simplest manner - Rajputs are the progeny and relatives of Hindu Kashtriya royals.
Royals exist in every community/society but this entire concept of Rajputs has Hindu origins.
Muslims don't acknowledge any caste system. One could either be a Rajput or a Muslim. Not both at the same time.
Muslims have Ashraf and Ajilaf classes though but formed on a very different basis.
The closest equivalent of Rajputs in Muslims would be the term Amirzada; which means 'son a noble'.

Kachwahas Rajputs were one of the first and most steadfast allies of Mughals in India.
Mughal emperors recognized the Kachwaha King in their court as 'Mirza Raja'; where Mirza is a title that is derived from the same Amirzada only.

Claims of royal lineage are a cool thing to do .. as long as they are politically relevant and profiting to the claimant.
Sometimes there are the Rajputs to cling on .. at other times it would be Persians/Arabs and likewise.

Regards,
Virendra
Quite logical but what is confusing is this :-

Muslim conquest of South Asia
Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent
The history of the Muslim Rajput coincides with the Muslim conquest of South Asia. The Rajputs started converting to Islam due to various reasons beginning with the conquest of Indus Valley from Multan to Debal by Muhammad bin Qasim, the Arab general of Umayyad Caliphate from Taif(now in Saudi Arabia) in 712 AD. At the time of arrival of Islam, the north and western regions of South Asia were ruled by Rajput clans. The Rajputs and Muslim armies fought many battles for the control of South Asia. Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni conquered the regal power of Rajput Maharaja Jayapala Shahi of the North Western South Asian(modern day Pakistan) region by 1026, through successive battles.
In 1527, the Muslim Janjua Rajput clan aided the Mughal conquest of South Asia by taking part in the Imperial Mughal armies as Generals. Hindu Rajputs also took part in these conquests as allies and even took part in marriages with the Mughals such as Raja Man Singh of the Kachhwaha clan, who aided Emperor Akbar in 1568 against the Sisodias.
The Mughal princes and emperors had maternal Rajput blood. Emperor Bahadur Shah I's mother was a Muslim Rajput Nawab Bai Begum Sahiba (second wife of Emperor Aurangzeb) being the daughter of Raja Taj-ud-Din Jarral (Raja Chatar Shena Jarral) the late Raja of Rajauri, in Kashmir. Emperor Jahangir's mother was a Kachhwaha Rajput princess, the daughter of Raja Bharmal and the aunt of Raja Man Singh.
Conversion to Islam
Many Rajput clans were converted to Islam during the early 12th century and were given the title of Shaikh (elder of the tribe) by the Arab or Mirza by the Mughal rulers. Rajputs converted to Islam due to many reasons including physical or economic duress, pragmatism and patronage such as social mobility among the Muslim ruling elite or for relief from Jazia taxes for being a non-Muslim ( Dhimmi ), as a socio-cultural process of diffusion and integration over an extended period of time into the sphere of the dominant Muslim civilization and global polity at large. whereas some conversions also took place for political reasons. The Delhi Sultanate and later Mughal dynasty encouraged the martial Malik Rajput clans to convert to Islam. Conversions to Islam continued into the 19th century period of the British Raj.

Asif Nawaz Janjua ( claims to be a muslim Rajput )
Kashmiri names like Ghulam Hasan Rathore/ Rather

Firozpur District

Here is a list of the main Muslim Rajput clans as enumerated by the 1911 Census of India:
Tribe Firozpur Tehsil
Bhatti 20,930
Chauhan 3,114
Chadhar 541
Dhudhi 1,208
Johiya 10,837
Kharal 5,638
Khichi 337
Khokhar 4,854
Manj 1,436
Panwar 4,993
Sial 1,007
Wattu 9,732
 
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Rajputs probably built a separate ethnic identity for themselves during the course of the Hephthalite invasion and their subsequent ouster from India. The Hephthalites adopted a strong Indic Kshatriya identity, and many stayed on in India after their military defeat, intermingling with Gurjars, to give way to the Rajput identity.
 

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Quite logical but what is confusing is this :-

Muslim conquest of South Asia
: Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent
The history of the Muslim Rajput coincides with the Muslim conquest of South Asia. The Rajputs started converting to Islam due to various reasons beginning with the conquest of Indus Valley from Multan to Debal by Muhammad bin Qasim, the Arab general of Umayyad Caliphate from Taif(now in Saudi Arabia) in 712 AD. At the time of arrival of Islam, the north and western regions of South Asia were ruled by Rajput clans. The Rajputs and Muslim armies fought many battles for the control of South Asia. Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni conquered the regal power of Rajput Maharaja Jayapala Shahi of the North Western South Asian(modern day Pakistan) region by 1026, through successive battles.
In 1527, the Muslim Janjua Rajput clan aided the Mughal conquest of South Asia by taking part in the Imperial Mughal armies as Generals. Hindu Rajputs also took part in these conquests as allies and even took part in marriages with the Mughals such as Raja Man Singh of the Kachhwaha clan, who aided Emperor Akbar in 1568 against the Sisodias.
The Mughal princes and emperors had maternal Rajput blood. Emperor Bahadur Shah I's mother was a Muslim Rajput Nawab Bai Begum Sahiba (second wife of Emperor Aurangzeb) being the daughter of Raja Taj-ud-Din Jarral (Raja Chatar Shena Jarral) the late Raja of Rajauri, in Kashmir. Emperor Jahangir's mother was a Kachhwaha Rajput princess, the daughter of Raja Bharmal and the aunt of Raja Man Singh.
Conversion to Islam
Many Rajput clans were converted to Islam during the early 12th century and were given the title of Shaikh (elder of the tribe) by the Arab or Mirza by the Mughal rulers. Rajputs converted to Islam due to many reasons including physical or economic duress, pragmatism and patronage such as social mobility among the Muslim ruling elite or for relief from Jazia taxes for being a non-Muslim ( Dhimmi ),[full citation needed as a socio-cultural process of diffusion and integration over an extended period of time into the sphere of the dominant Muslim civilization and global polity at large. whereas some conversions also took place for political reasons. The Delhi Sultanate and later Mughal dynasty encouraged the martial Malik Rajput clans to convert to Islam. Conversions to Islam continued into the 19th century period of the British Raj.

Asif Nawaz Janjua ( claims to be a muslim Rajput )
Kashmiri names like Ghulam Hasan Rathore/ Rather

Firozpur District[edit]

Here is a list of the main Muslim Rajput clans as enumerated by the 1911 Census of India:
Tribe Firozpur Tehsil
Bhatti 20,930
Chauhan 3,114
Chadhar 541
Dhudhi 1,208
Johiya 10,837
Kharal 5,638
Khichi 337
Khokhar 4,854
Manj 1,436
Panwar 4,993
Sial 1,007
Wattu 9,732
Those were the wars involving different nations who were more or less having same religion . Afghan Hindu Shahi kingdoms were fighting central asian, persians and even Turkic / Mongolic nations even before these nations become Muslims and whenever these invasions took place in almost all the cases Hindu kings have assisted those invasions which was more or less to protect their kingdoms . There was no unity among Hindu kings and thats why invaders were able to loot and plunder India . And even the invading armies have killed and destroyed kingdoms which were ruled by Muslims . Those invasions main goal was looting, plundering irrespective of the religion.
 
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Quite logical but what is confusing is this :-

At the time of arrival of Islam, the north and western regions of South Asia were ruled by Rajput clans. The Rajputs and Muslim armies fought many battles for the control of South Asia. Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni conquered the regal power of Rajput Maharaja Jayapala Shahi of the North Western South Asian(modern day Pakistan) region by 1026, through successive battles.
LOL. This is the usual pakistani junk from wikipedia. Hindu Shahi of Punjab were Brahmins not Rajput. Punjab and northwest are nowhere in the roots of Rajput history.

The Rajputs started converting to Islam due to various reasons beginning with the conquest of Indus Valley from Multan to Debal by Muhammad bin Qasim, the Arab general of Umayyad Caliphate from Taif(now in Saudi Arabia) in 712 AD.
An even bigger LOL written from a paki-panjabi view. When we talk anything RAJPUT (history, art, architecture) we look at Rajasthan, Gujarat, MP. Because that area is the origin of the Rajput identity.

Rajput history begins with the victory over the Arab invaders and formation of Chhattis Rajakula, the 36 ruling warrior clans. The paki panjabi are missing from this very beginning of Rajput history....and they have obviously no connection with the later centuries of history where the Rajput identity evolved.
 

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There have been no enmasse conversions of any major Rajput clans to Islam. There are though occasional cases of few conversion of royals or middle rank officers. I don't see any reason to call Janjuas as Rajputs because the medieval history records do not record them as Rajputs but as a Punjabi tribe that got converted enmasse. By the way . .another tribe like them - Gakkhars resisted ferociously but later converted in huge numbers.
Punjab is a curious case of conversions where there were no Rajput clannish hierarchies to resist invasions in the long haul and organized manner .. needed the most after the Shahis had fallen.

Various Punjabi muslim converts claimed Arab/Persian descents as long as Mughals were dominating the landscape.
Later when the British swept in and had treaties/alliances with Indian Princes (most of whom were Rajputs), obviously it became fashionable and profiting to claim Rajput descent now.
Tomorrow if an alien race invaded the Earth, don't forget that I told you, these guys would claim descent from that race. :D
No wonder they have made such a big mess of Pakistan, for they are the root cause of Pakistan's chronic identity disease.

These opportunistic claims are the reasons why some of the converted tribes/communities of Punjab managed to be mentioned as Muslim Rajputs in British census records.
If you ask for geneological records and proper history .. very few of them would be able to back up their claims of Rajput ancestry. And for those who could .. they were Rajputs once .. not now.
I've already said it .. once you have converted to Islam; you have no right to call yourself a Rajput. A Rajput by definition is a Hindu concept.
One could call themselves Amirs, Muslim Royalty or whatever pleases them. But they aren't Rajputs and whenever some cases happened, we don't marry with such folks anymore. Mehrats are a good local example to that from within Rajputana.

@pkroyal Also, if you bump into any of these claimants please do ask them about how RawalPindi got to be named thus. The etymology at their wiki page is a sham detectable by a fifth standard school kid. :D

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Virendra
 
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Most Rajputs are of Huna descent but fancy themselves as Aryans, are proud of their Caucasoid looks, and look down on the Australoid lower castes. This is ironic as their ancestors were barbarians while the Shudras and ex Untouchables are the true sons of the soil, and Rajputs only got elevated to Kshatriya status after they participated in genocide of the Australoid Buddhists. Some Rajputs in MP, Chhattisgarh are from admixture of Dravidoid Gonds though.
 

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Most Rajputs are of Huna descent but fancy themselves as Aryans, are proud of their Caucasoid looks
Amazing. you did a survey of the millions of Rajputs and reached these hilarious conclusions.

Meanwhile whenever I talk to Rajputs they know nothing about any huna cockasoid bullsh!t. The only thing they take pride in is being Indian/Hindu/Rajput.
 

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Rajputs probably built a separate ethnic identity for themselves during the course of the Hephthalite invasion and their subsequent ouster from India. The Hephthalites adopted a strong Indic Kshatriya identity, and many stayed on in India after their military defeat, intermingling with Gurjars, to give way to the Rajput identity.
Hephthalite invasion , can you be more precise ?
 

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Most Rajputs are of Huna descent but fancy themselves as Aryans, are proud of their Caucasoid looks, and look down on the Australoid lower castes. This is ironic as their ancestors were barbarians while the Shudras and ex Untouchables are the true sons of the soil, and Rajputs only got elevated to Kshatriya status after they participated in genocide of the Australoid Buddhists. Some Rajputs in MP, Chhattisgarh are from admixture of Dravidoid Gonds though.
Why you are making Australoid as lower caste ? All are sons of the soil now and all are contributing the nation in their own way . I am aware that there are people who judge other Indians on their color but they do it from behind .
 

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anyway, you are correct as shaka and kushana were fiercely resisted by different clans of rajputs and these clans were mentioned in Panini.

I am waiting for any member who can challenge me on my assertion that clans like madra, malavas, yaudheyas, arjunayanas, trigartas and kulut are ancestors of most of rajputs. these names find mention in panini and later day epigraphy.
The original post by the OP. Where is @MAYURA?
 
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From the Cambridge History of India by Edward James Rapson

in addition to the powers which dominated the kingdoms on the great highways of communication, there were in less accessible regions numerous independent states ; and of some of these the coins of this period have preserved a record. These communities were military clans or groups of clans; and they were governed sometimes by kings, but more often by tribal oligarchies.

They were the ancestors of the Rajputs who played a most important part in the history of Northern India at a later date, and their coins are found throughout the regions to which modern ethnologists trace the origin of the Rajputs.


Examples of such early Rajput states are the Yaudheya confederation.....Both the Yaudheyas, ' Warriors,' and the Arjunayanas, 'Descendants of Arjuna,' are mentioned by Panini in the fourth century B.C.; both issued coins as early as the first century B.c. and both appear among the peoples on the frontiers of the Gupta empire in the Allahabad inscription of Samudragupta c. 380 A.D. Of a somewhat later date, perhaps of the first or second century A.D., are the coins of the Kulutas, the eastern neighbours of the Udumbaras, in the Kulu valley of the Kangra District ; and to the same period as the coins of the Udumbaras belong the earlier issues of the Kunindas who inhabited the country of the Sutlej in the Simla Hill States.
So @MAYURA is not saying something new. I think these clans: madra, malavas, yaudheyas, arjunayanas, trigartas and kuluta can be called Proto-Rajputs. They fought the Saka, the Kushan, and the Hunas and their later descendants continued the battle against the Arab invader.
 
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"Rajput" is simply a title, not an ethnic group in the proper sense. They are somewhat similar to the Nayakas/Naiks that you find throughout India. There is no reason why a Muslim cannot call himself a Rajput, since the title 'Raja' is not exclusive to "Hinduism". The reason why Muslims historically have not done so, is essentially the same reason why white Americans don't adopt the titles of Native American chieftains. The Muslim upper-classes who dominated North India between the 13th and 18th centuries preferred to associate with Persian culture and use Persian titles rather than native Indian titles, which is why Muslim rulers used the titles Sultan and Shahanshah. Some of the weaker, local Muslim rulers (like the Sumrahs of Sind) used the title 'Raja', but they all aspired to be "Sultans" and "Shahs". Indeed, even the most powerful "Hindu" rulers, like the kings of Vijayanagara, also used the title of 'Sultan" (suratrana), as did Rana Kumbha. Neither the Indic nor the Persianate titles were exclusive to a single religion.
 

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"Rajput" is simply a title, not an ethnic group in the proper sense. They are somewhat similar to the Nayakas/Naiks that you find throughout India. There is no reason why a Muslim cannot call himself a Rajput, since the title 'Raja' is not exclusive to "Hinduism". The reason why Muslims historically have not done so, is essentially the same reason why white Americans don't adopt the titles of Native American chieftains. The Muslim upper-classes who dominated North India between the 13th and 18th centuries preferred to associate with Persian culture and use Persian titles rather than native Indian titles, which is why Muslim rulers used the titles Sultan and Shahanshah. Some of the weaker, local Muslim rulers (like the Sumrahs of Sind) used the title 'Raja', but they all aspired to be "Sultans" and "Shahs". Indeed, even the most powerful "Hindu" rulers, like the kings of Vijayanagara, also used the title of 'Sultan" (suratrana), as did Rana Kumbha. Neither the Indic nor the Persianate titles were exclusive to a single religion.
This is not about Rajas and Sultans.
Titles like 'Raja' or Sultan only stand for an individual and have never become the name of an entire community. That is not the case with 'Rajaputra/Rajput'.
Yes Rajputs are not one single ethinic group but Rajput is also not just a title. It is the term that identifies the progeny and relatives of Hindu Kshatriya Royals. Hindus don't have the patent on this term. Nobody has an any term. Muslims don't have on Mirza (used for Amber Kings). But anyway individual titles are not my point here. Community names are.
It is the Hindu Kshatriya identity that gave the Rajaputra term and not the other way round.
Rajaputra is the term that broadly replaced the term Kshatriya in north and central India.
By the time Gupta empire was disintegrating in 4th and 5th century AD, land ownership had become private, land grants and administrative posts were given on hereditory basis. Though Empire could re-assign as well.
The use of term 'Rajaputra' for people other than the current King's immediate son, first emerged in this phase only - for the extended progeny and relatives of the royal families (current and previous).
The term is found frequently in contemporary inscriptions.
(One of the very first recorded use of this term is for Buddha himself. Buddhist scriptures call him Rajaputra Siddhartha.)

The clan based Kingdoms that popped up from the ruins of Guptas, continued using this 'Rajaputra' term in administration just like their political predecessors.
Bana's Harshacharita mentions as 'Malava Rajaputra', the Malava king's two sons who took shelter in Thanesar - Kumaragupta II and Madhavagupta.
As the populations and feudal monarchies expanded, a number of princes and their progeny became feudal chieftains and kept using the title 'Rajaputra'. One example would be Kirtipal Chauhan of Nadol Branch of Chauhans. He was the autonomous King of a small Kingdom.
As we noted above that land ownership, grants and administrative posts had become hereditory Gupta onwards, the titles obviously turned to be used the same way.
Thus eventually the sons of Rajaputras came to be called Rajaputras only, as they inherited everything - from administrative power to land ownership.

To tell it more briefly :
Those of the Kshatriyas who were in the upper rings of State Administration held power, land and royal title of Rajaputra.
Later all the three turned hereditory, so obviously their progeny came to be called exactly what they were - Rajaputras.
Gradually the progeny expanded into an entire community that we know as Rajputs today.

As for the Muslim rulers, the post Mahmud Ghaznavid Sultans used the title of 'SamantaDeva' in their coins. Kumbha's title was 'Hindu-suratrana' .. not just Suratrana. Kumbha was called thus by Delhi and Gujarat Sultans who were defeated by the former repeatedly.
So yes individual titles were used interchangably, more liberally. But like I said before .. individual titles are not the scope of my argument.

People are free to decorate themselves by any term, who cares. But if there's a deeply entrenched identity associated a term, it doesn't carry over by merely grabbing the term. There's a reason why many Pakistanis in west call themselves Indians. Because they're looking to piggyback on the positive "identity" associated with this term. It may work in west, but doesn't work in India (host of that identity).

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People are free to decorate themselves by any term, who cares. But if there's a deeply entrenched identity associated a term, it doesn't carry over by merely grabbing the term. There's a reason why many Pakistanis in west call themselves Indians. Because they're looking to piggyback on the positive "identity" associated with this term. It may work in west, but doesn't work in India (host of that identity).
It is not too difficult to "grab" the term. Any powerful warlord can simply bribe a few brahmins from Benares to forge a bogus genealogy and trace his lineage back to Manu himself. That's what the Marathas under Shivaji did; the Marathas were originally Shudras who claimed ancestry from the Sisodias of Mewar, following Shivaji's rise to power. It was apparently enough for Raja Jai Singh to treat him as a "brother".

If the Rajputs had conquered or dominated Iran or Central Asia, you would also see Iranian and Central Asian families/clans/tribes claiming Rajput ancestry. However, since the opposite was true, it made more sense for powerful Muslims in the Indian subcontinent to claim ancestry from Timur and the like.
 

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It is not too difficult to "grab" the term. Any powerful warlord can simply bribe a few brahmins from Benares to forge a bogus genealogy and trace his lineage back to Manu himself. That's what the Marathas under Shivaji did; the Marathas were originally Shudras who claimed ancestry from the Sisodias of Mewar, following Shivaji's rise to power. It was apparently enough for Raja Jai Singh to treat him as a "brother".

If the Rajputs had conquered or dominated Iran or Central Asia, you would also see Iranian and Central Asian families/clans/tribes claiming Rajput ancestry. However, since the opposite was true, it made more sense for powerful Muslims in the Indian subcontinent to claim ancestry from Timur and the like.
History is always written by the victor, the mess occurs when one starts losing.
No identity is a monolith, social mobility & recognition is a human need.
In times of distress, identity is a safety net from a harsh judgmental world. It helps one remain centered .
 
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