Origin of Rajputs

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

There are in Potohar.

But isn’t the Potohar Region part of Pakistani Panjab not the Kashmir Valley?

 

[t 90s]

The Westerners are still spreading this Scythian, Parthian and Hunnic Fake Theories as the Origins of the Hindu Rajputs Tribes. Indians need to counter such fake theories before they spread like wildfire.

interesting & very informative thread. Claiming Rajputs to be descendants of huns will be overstretched..but what huns? Alchon huns to be precise?.They did left a massive mark on india though, there is no doubt about it. one cannot deny Rajputs comes in all form an sizes & skin tone...just few e.g

General VK singh. Tomar Rajput.

Lt general hanut( Jasol Rathore Rajput).

Colonel rajyavardhan singh( Rathore Rajput )

lt general Vikram dogra ( dogra rajput )

in my opinion hun invasion was devastating.
Gupta could not sustain or hold on to military due to collapse in trade with romans & Persians. land grant was obvious choice thus begain feudal story of India. Some of these hunic nobielty probably got mixed with native ( specially in north ). I could be massively wrong here, any counter arguments. Would help.

 

[Suryavanshi]

@Sigmamale101 mate what was the first time the term Rajput/Rajputana used or referred to.

Preferable to have one of these:
1) Instance where the said group indentified himself as a Rajput.
2) Instances where other groups refer to them as Rajputs.

 

[Sigmamale101]

@Sigmamale101 mate what was the first time the term Rajput/Rajputana used or referred to.

Preferable to have one of these:
1) Instance where the said group indentified himself as a Rajput.
2) Instances where other groups refer to them as Rajputs.

There has been evolution of words historically from vedic times... Rajanya-Kshatriya-Rajputra-Rajput. in Abhinishkramana Sutra...one of earliest buddhist text calls Buddha a 'Rajaputra' as a synonym of word Kshatriya.

thread

World Rajputto from khuddaka Nikaya ( Buddhavamsa ) of Pali cannon dating back to 2nd century B.C.

meaning of word Rajputto in the sentence here is explicitly equated with kashatriya ( Khattiyo in Pali ).

kadmal plates of vijayasimha guhilot 1083 AD
mention that a messenger named Ranadhavala son of Sagamda was a Chauhan Rajaputra.

.Udayagiri cave inscriptions near bhopal dated end of 11th century A.D Mention land grants by many minor Paramara.

Chieftains named Rajaputa Damodara JayaDeva, Rajaputara Sodha , Rajautra Vahilavahada.

Paldi Inscription of 1116 AD says that Saulsnki Rajaputra Sri Salakhana was the son of Rajaputra Sri Upala. former was just an officer tasked with the aarangements for the ceremonies around installation & sanctifying of the inscription.

During the Reign of Jaichands predecessor in 12 th century AD a vassal Dynasty of Gahadavalas , known as Dhavalas has recorded themselves in taracandi rock inscription at modern shahabad , UP. The inscription ends with Maharajaputra Sri Satrughnasva. It calls the overlord Gahadvals king's son ( Jaichand ) as Maharajaputra as well as the Dhavala prince as Maharajaputra.


Sallaksanapal though a minister of Vigraharaj Chauhan IV is called a Rajaputra in the Delhi Shiwalik inscription of 1163-4 AD.

Two inscriptions of 1176 AD at lalrai ( Near Nadol ) call lakhanapala and Abhayapala Chauhan the relatives of Nadol king kelhana as Rajaputras.

Points to note are:

they were not in line for any throne. They were just given administrative posts to govern some villages and yet called
Rajaputras. This is supported by Kharatara Gachcha Pattaveli and Prabandha Chintamani which show various Rajaputras'appointed as governors, admínistrators of mandalas,
towns and village not as their personal properties but as official postings.

Another strong case of connotation proliferation from individuals to group is kalhanas ( 12 th century A D ). Rajatarangini uses the term Rajaputra a lot of times in numerous context including for the gentry of general land Holder who contributed militarily. For example one word describe the 11 the century king Anantadeva being followed by a host caravan of bands of Rajaputra horsemen soldiers and Damaras.

Even by stretch of imagination these bands of Rajaputra horsemen can't be all princes (how many could be there anyway) , also the previous verse uses the term Nrapatmajah for princes.

i was banned from another thread so couldn't reply to this chu .

now who will tell this chu that Sisodiya are sub clan of Gehlots .
Koeris and Malis took up Maurya and Kushwaha surnames after Mori Rajput & Kushawaha/Kacchwaha rajputs only after 1940s. They aren't related to Mori/Maurya Vanshi Kshatriyas of past. this stealing Rajput surname & claiming Rajput their Pa is old habit of many & is not new... going on from the time of British, even before in case of marathas for example Ahirs become yadavs in eary 1900 due to Arya samajis....they are not the real yaduvanshi real Yaduvanshi's are Rajputs only. Jadon, Bhati, Jadeja, Chudasamas are Yaduvanshi Rajputs.


same way for example shivraj singh chauhan BJP CM of MP is not real chauhan. They took chahuan surname during early 20th century. Araya samaj, hindu mahasabha, RSS chadi all played there role in this.

 

[Tactical Doge]

There has been evolution of words historically from vedic times... Rajanya-Kshatriya-Rajputra-Rajput. in Abhinishkramana Sutra...one of earliest buddhist text calls Buddha a 'Rajaputra' as a synonym of word Kshatriya.

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World Rajputto from khuddaka Nikaya ( Buddhavamsa ) of Pali cannon dating back to 2nd century B.C.

meaning of word Rajputto in the sentence here is explicitly equated with kashatriya ( Khattiyo in Pali ).


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kadmal plates of vijayasimha guhilot 1083 AD
mention that a messenger named Ranadhavala son of Sagamda was a Chauhan Rajaputra.

.Udayagiri cave inscriptions near bhopal dated end of 11th century A.D Mention land grants by many minor Paramara.

Chieftains named Rajaputa Damodara JayaDeva, Rajaputara Sodha , Rajautra Vahilavahada.

Paldi Inscription of 1116 AD says that Saulsnki Rajaputra Sri Salakhana was the son of Rajaputra Sri Upala. former was just an officer tasked with the aarangements for the ceremonies around installation & sanctifying of the inscription.

During the Reign of Jaichands predecessor in 12 th century AD a vassal Dynasty of Gahadavalas , known as Dhavalas has recorded themselves in taracandi rock inscription at modern shahabad , UP. The inscription ends with Maharajaputra Sri Satrughnasva. It calls the overlord Gahadvals king's son ( Jaichand ) as Maharajaputra as well as the Dhavala prince as Maharajaputra.


Sallaksanapal though a minister of Vigraharaj Chauhan IV is called a Rajaputra in the Delhi Shiwalik inscription of 1163-4 AD.

Two inscriptions of 1176 AD at lalrai ( Near Nadol ) call lakhanapala and Abhayapala Chauhan the relatives of Nadol king kelhana as Rajaputras.

Points to note are:

they were not in line for any throne. They were just given administrative posts to govern some villages and yet called
Rajaputras. This is supported by Kharatara Gachcha Pattaveli and Prabandha Chintamani which show various Rajaputras'appointed as governors, admínistrators of mandalas,
towns and village not as their personal properties but as official postings.

Another strong case of connotation proliferation from individuals to group is kalhanas ( 12 th century A D ). Rajatarangini uses the term Rajaputra a lot of times in numerous context including for the gentry of general land Holder who contributed militarily. For example one word describe the 11 the century king Anantadeva being followed by a host caravan of bands of Rajaputra horsemen soldiers and Damaras.

Even by stretch of imagination these bands of Rajaputra horsemen can't be all princes (how many could be there anyway) , also the previous verse uses the term Nrapatmajah for princes.

i was banned from another thread so couldn't reply to this chu .

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now who will tell this chu that Sisodiya are sub clan of Gehlots .
Koeris and Malis took up Maurya and Kushwaha surnames after Mori Rajput & Kushawaha/Kacchwaha rajputs only after 1940s. They aren't related to Mori/Maurya Vanshi Kshatriyas of past. this stealing Rajput surname & claiming Rajput their Pa is old habit of many & is not new... going on from the time of British, even before in case of marathas for example Ahirs become yadavs in eary 1900 due to Arya samajis....they are not the real yaduvanshi real Yaduvanshi's are Rajputs only. Jadon, Bhati, Jadeja, Chudasamas are Yaduvanshi Rajputs.


same way for example shivraj singh chauhan BJP CM of MP is not real chauhan. They took chahuan surname during early 20th century. Araya samaj, hindu mahasabha, RSS chadi all played there role in this.

I've read about a Rajput Royality from Mewar from Rajasthan migrating to Kerala and settling there, assimilating with the local Nairs, they still use the surname (Simhar, transliteration of "Singh" surname) and the House is called Mevad (Mewar), in Kerala house name indicates the family he/she is from, for example I am from a particular Nagalasseri Kalari
There are several hundred such houses

°^^ the said Mevad Thampans, Thampans means royals

 

[Suryavanshi]

There has been evolution of words historically from vedic times... Rajanya-Kshatriya-Rajputra-Rajput. in Abhinishkramana Sutra...one of earliest buddhist text calls Buddha a 'Rajaputra' as a synonym of word Kshatriya.

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View attachment 125008

World Rajputto from khuddaka Nikaya ( Buddhavamsa ) of Pali cannon dating back to 2nd century B.C.

meaning of word Rajputto in the sentence here is explicitly equated with kashatriya ( Khattiyo in Pali ).


View attachment 125009


kadmal plates of vijayasimha guhilot 1083 AD
mention that a messenger named Ranadhavala son of Sagamda was a Chauhan Rajaputra.

.Udayagiri cave inscriptions near bhopal dated end of 11th century A.D Mention land grants by many minor Paramara.

Chieftains named Rajaputa Damodara JayaDeva, Rajaputara Sodha , Rajautra Vahilavahada.

Paldi Inscription of 1116 AD says that Saulsnki Rajaputra Sri Salakhana was the son of Rajaputra Sri Upala. former was just an officer tasked with the aarangements for the ceremonies around installation & sanctifying of the inscription.

During the Reign of Jaichands predecessor in 12 th century AD a vassal Dynasty of Gahadavalas , known as Dhavalas has recorded themselves in taracandi rock inscription at modern shahabad , UP. The inscription ends with Maharajaputra Sri Satrughnasva. It calls the overlord Gahadvals king's son ( Jaichand ) as Maharajaputra as well as the Dhavala prince as Maharajaputra.


Sallaksanapal though a minister of Vigraharaj Chauhan IV is called a Rajaputra in the Delhi Shiwalik inscription of 1163-4 AD.

Two inscriptions of 1176 AD at lalrai ( Near Nadol ) call lakhanapala and Abhayapala Chauhan the relatives of Nadol king kelhana as Rajaputras.

Points to note are:

they were not in line for any throne. They were just given administrative posts to govern some villages and yet called
Rajaputras. This is supported by Kharatara Gachcha Pattaveli and Prabandha Chintamani which show various Rajaputras'appointed as governors, admínistrators of mandalas,
towns and village not as their personal properties but as official postings.

Another strong case of connotation proliferation from individuals to group is kalhanas ( 12 th century A D ). Rajatarangini uses the term Rajaputra a lot of times in numerous context including for the gentry of general land Holder who contributed militarily. For example one word describe the 11 the century king Anantadeva being followed by a host caravan of bands of Rajaputra horsemen soldiers and Damaras.

Even by stretch of imagination these bands of Rajaputra horsemen can't be all princes (how many could be there anyway) , also the previous verse uses the term Nrapatmajah for princes.

i was banned from another thread so couldn't reply to this chu .

View attachment 125018
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now who will tell this chu that Sisodiya are sub clan of Gehlots .
Koeris and Malis took up Maurya and Kushwaha surnames after Mori Rajput & Kushawaha/Kacchwaha rajputs only after 1940s. They aren't related to Mori/Maurya Vanshi Kshatriyas of past. this stealing Rajput surname & claiming Rajput their Pa is old habit of many & is not new... going on from the time of British, even before in case of marathas for example Ahirs become yadavs in eary 1900 due to Arya samajis....they are not the real yaduvanshi real Yaduvanshi's are Rajputs only. Jadon, Bhati, Jadeja, Chudasamas are Yaduvanshi Rajputs.


same way for example shivraj singh chauhan BJP CM of MP is not real chauhan. They took chahuan surname during early 20th century. Araya samaj, hindu mahasabha, RSS chadi all played there role in this.

So some predecessor of the Word Rajput existed in our ancients text dating to 300 BC to 500 AD, the term Rajput begin to occur frequently from 1200 AD probably due to Islamic invaders calling them such.

 

[Sigmamale101]

I've read about a Rajput Royality from Mewar from Rajasthan migrating to Kerala and settling there, assimilating with the local Nairs, they still use the surname (Simhar, transliteration of "Singh" surname) and the House is called Mevad (Mewar), in Kerala house name indicates the family he/she is from, for example I am from a particular Nagalasseri Kalari
There are several hundred such houses

View attachment 125026
°^^ the said Mevad Thampans, Thampans means royals

Most of such stories are fake & were made up later.

So some predecessor of the Word Rajput existed in our ancients text dating to 300 BC to 500 AD, the term Rajput begin to occur frequently from 1200 AD probably due to Islamic invaders calling them such.

Rajputra , Rajput basically mean the same thing. Thing to notice here is are Rajputs associated with kashatriya historically ? answer is yes. Shivaji coronation is just a example when marathi Brahmin outright refuse to coronate him as he was not a kashatriya. Many marathi brahmins themselves have shady origin by the way. Don't want to go into that part though.

 

[kaaleshwaar]

@ezsasa please move the Rajput discussions elsewhere, they are not in context of any current events

 

[Sigmamale101]

@ezsasa please move the Rajput discussions elsewhere, they are not in context of any current events

@ bhumihar tagged & asked me so i was replying. By the way discussing who won miss universe is also not part of political gossips but is posted here

 

[Suryavanshi]

This will never go away, despite all efforts.

Indians- divided by caste, united by Kanging.

Kek my intention of tagging him here was to clear out his air of doubt tho I think the discussion fits better in Rajput Discussion thread.
Kanging is way past it's age In modern world but still people should be proud of themselves and not vulture on other culture.

 

[Sigmamale101]

Kek my intention of tagging him here was to clear out his air of doubt tho I think the discussion fits better in Rajput Discussion thread.
Kanging is way past it's age In modern world but still people should be proud of themselves and not vulture on other culture.

I would just say that History is dear to everyone real or fake. it define what you are, your community , your ancestors their sacrifices etc. for us Rajputs it matters, ancestor worshiping is part of our culture. Just to give you an example we still celebrate Gugu nami every year to this day in North west. People who don't know.. Goga ji was a Chahuan ruler who despite being outnumbered fought Ghazni & died on battlefield while he was on his way to destroy somanath temple ( 1024 AD ).

 

[Star screamer]

Kek my intention of tagging him here was to clear out his air of doubt tho I think the discussion fits better in Rajput Discussion thread.
Kanging is way past it's age In modern world but still people should be proud of themselves and not vulture on other culture.

Some casteist people are retarded asf but rajasthani “caste kanging” rajput are the most retarded people whats the use of tag rajput or kshatriya when it is not relevant in modern day society neither they are giving anyone protection nor they are any rulers now

 

[Star screamer]

Muh i waz huna muh i waz aryan muh i was from central asia never seen bunch of people showing same level of autism as pakistani as they do

 

[Suryavanshi]

What is behind the basic idea that armies leave genetic, Cultural and linguistic markers on the land they invade.
How big an army do you need to leave a genetic marker on the Indigenous population?
There isn't much gene impact since Invading armies do not bring their original population into the newly acquired territory?

 

[Blademaster]

What is behind the basic idea that armies leave genetic, Cultural and linguistic markers on the land they invade.
How big an army do you need to leave a genetic marker on the Indigenous population?
There isn't much gene impact since Invading armies do not bring their original population into the newly acquired territory?

It is called rape and forcible takings of women.

 

[Kumaoni]

interesting & very informative thread. Claiming Rajputs to be descendants of huns will be overstretched..but what huns? Alchon huns to be precise?.They did left a massive mark on india though, there is no doubt about it. one cannot deny Rajputs comes in all form an sizes & skin tone...just few e.g

General VK singh. Tomar Rajput.

Lt general hanut( Jasol Rathore Rajput).

Colonel rajyavardhan singh( Rathore Rajput )

lt general Vikram dogra ( dogra rajput )

in my opinion hun invasion was devastating.
Gupta could not sustain or hold on to military due to collapse in trade with romans & Persians. land grant was obvious choice thus begain feudal story of India. Some of these hunic nobielty probably got mixed with native ( specially in north ). I could be massively wrong here, any counter arguments. Would help.

Mate I can find the exact phenotypical differences among brahmins too

 

[Kumaoni]

What is behind the basic idea that armies leave genetic, Cultural and linguistic markers on the land they invade.
How big an army do you need to leave a genetic marker on the Indigenous population?
There isn't much gene impact since Invading armies do not bring their original population into the newly acquired territory?

People don’t know the difference bet. Migration and incasion

 

[Steven Rogers]

interesting & very informative thread. Claiming Rajputs to be descendants of huns will be overstretched..but what huns? Alchon huns to be precise?.They did left a massive mark on india though, there is no doubt about it. one cannot deny Rajputs comes in all form an sizes & skin tone...just few e.g

General VK singh. Tomar Rajput.

Lt general hanut( Jasol Rathore Rajput).

Colonel rajyavardhan singh( Rathore Rajput )

lt general Vikram dogra ( dogra rajput )

in my opinion hun invasion was devastating.
Gupta could not sustain or hold on to military due to collapse in trade with romans & Persians. land grant was obvious choice thus begain feudal story of India. Some of these hunic nobielty probably got mixed with native ( specially in north ). I could be massively wrong here, any counter arguments. Would help.

Everyone was discussing on my caste, I'm the last one to find out....
Basically it's gene selection...
General VK Tomar(descendant of jaitrath one of the sons of Anangpal Tomar's brother,thus his khap is जटु),comes from hariana(a different region)
gen Hanut singh rathore hails from barmer(khap:-mahecha)
While col rajyavardhan singh rathore hails from Jaisalmer(his khap is related to bikaner rathod)thus the ancestors of Hanut singh and Rajyavardhan themselves separated some 600 yrs ago itself...
General Vikram singh dogra belongs to Jamwal clan(offshoot of Kachwahas of narwar separated some 800yrs)
This is why they look slight different(due to different mutation)