Kaveri Engine

[Steven Rogers]

Again wrong, because the development was with AB, while the proposition to use it without AB was just one of the options to use the available engine on a different platform. DRDO also proposed to use it in different form for naval vessels or trains. The fighter version with AB however was scrapped as the DRDO chief confirmed and got revived only by the French.



Read the reports I gave of the IAF committee, or the Safran Chief, which makes it clear that the aim is on using the M88 core, which means it's not fine tuning at all, but transfering a foreign heart into our base engine. And even the M88 ECO core was aimed only at 90kN thrust, which actually would be lower than required for LCA, while the 110kN for AMCA would require a further developed core as well. So still a lot of work to be done, with dedicated test and certifications, while the outcome is uncertain so far.

Well a foreign company won't be investing on an Scrapped project of a 3rd word country. So FDI has come on ongoing project not on Scrapped project. Saras was Scrapped and revived, none of the foreign giants came aid despite knowing that such aircrafts will be high on demand for city to city connectivities in India.

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[Sancho]

Well a foreign company won't be investing on an Scrapped project of a 3rd word country.

It's really not that difficult to read up available sources, to understand things first and then get to a conclusion.

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France offers EUR 1 billion to revive India's combat jet engine project
July, 2016

...The proposal is to use offset credits that would come from the planned Rafale fighter jet deal to revive the indigenous jet engine project.

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Chairman, Defence Research and Development Organisation ( DRDO) and. Secretary Department of Defence R&D, Dr S. Christopher. Interview
Feb, 2017

...DRDO has not directly taken any offsets so far. Presently, Rafale has an offset clause, and DRDO has been asked to fill it up.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/kaveri-engine.5097/page-122

They had to re-invest into Indian research programmes and chose Kaveri.

 

[Kshithij]

It's really not that difficult to read up available sources, to understand things first and then get to a conclusion.

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France offers EUR 1 billion to revive India's combat jet engine project
July, 2016

...The proposal is to use offset credits that would come from the planned Rafale fighter jet deal to revive the indigenous jet engine project.

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Chairman, Defence Research and Development Organisation ( DRDO) and. Secretary Department of Defence R&D, Dr S. Christopher. Interview
Feb, 2017

...DRDO has not directly taken any offsets so far. Presently, Rafale has an offset clause, and DRDO has been asked to fill it up.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/kaveri-engine.5097/page-122

They had to re-invest into Indian research programmes and chose Kaveri.

So, Indian 7.8 billion Euro deal has 1 billion Euro for Kaveri? Damn, that would have made things much cheaper at 36 jets for 6.8 billion euro. Are you sure that was the deal?

 

[Sancho]

So, Indian 7.8 billion Euro deal has 1 billion Euro for Kaveri? Damn, that would have made things much cheaper at 36 jets for 6.8 billion euro. Are you sure that was the deal?

That doesn't make the Rafale deal cheaper, but is part of the 50% offsets.

 

[Babloo Singh]

There was demand for a Mig 29, for testing Kaveri.... IAF wasn't prepared to let go any of it's birds due to shortage at it's end. IN should write off this air frame and give it to DRDO/ADA
We should rebuild this one with desi avionics and flight control, experiment with GE-414 plonked, test all the AMCA sub systems & use it for Testing Kaveri & Kaveri's enhanced version for AMCA.
I believe a MIg 29 with Kaveri / GE 414 and our own avionics, is the "sasta sundar tikau" solution which can
solve many problems for us.

 

[Steven Rogers]

It's really not that difficult to read up available sources, to understand things first and then get to a conclusion.

=>

France offers EUR 1 billion to revive India's combat jet engine project
July, 2016

...The proposal is to use offset credits that would come from the planned Rafale fighter jet deal to revive the indigenous jet engine project.

=>

Chairman, Defence Research and Development Organisation ( DRDO) and. Secretary Department of Defence R&D, Dr S. Christopher. Interview
Feb, 2017

...DRDO has not directly taken any offsets so far. Presently, Rafale has an offset clause, and DRDO has been asked to fill it up.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/kaveri-engine.5097/page-122

They had to re-invest into Indian research programmes and chose Kaveri.

You first link about the revival of the Kaveri, if that's true, the Kaveri was dead then, and in 2nd link , it is said that drdo haven't received any offsets, then that means it is dead in 2017 also, then what were the GTRE scientist were doing and giving long speech at seminars about the Kaveri and its progress .

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[darshan978]

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There was demand for a Mig 29, for testing Kaveri.... IAF wasn't prepared to let go any of it's birds due to shortage at it's end. IN should write off this air frame and give it to DRDO/ADA
We should rebuild this one with desi avionics and flight control, experiment with GE-414 plonked, test all the AMCA sub systems & use it for Testing Kaveri & Kaveri's enhanced version for AMCA.
I believe a MIg 29 with Kaveri / GE 414 and our own avionics, is the "sasta sundar tikau" solution which can
solve many problems for us.

Wow great idea.........................

 

[BON PLAN]

That doesn't make the Rafale deal cheaper, but is part of the 50% offsets.

If India decided to purchase Jets without Offset, the cost was reduced by 33%.

 

[BON PLAN]

So, Indian 7.8 billion Euro deal has 1 billion Euro for Kaveri? Damn, that would have made things much cheaper at 36 jets for 6.8 billion euro. Are you sure that was the deal?

India requested 50% OFFSET.
As the deal with offset is 7.8 billion, without offset the price would have been 5.2 billion.

=> ie 2.6 billion of offset. The Kaveri revival initiative is part of these 2.6 billion.

 

[BON PLAN]

You first link about the revival of the Kaveri, if that's true, the Kaveri was dead then, and in 2nd link , it is said that drdo haven't received any offsets, then that means it is dead in 2017 also, then what were the GTRE scientist were doing and giving long speech at seminars about the Kaveri and its progress .

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A Safranised Kaveri is already in France, for trial.

 

[BON PLAN]

That doesn't make the Rafale deal cheaper, but is part of the 50% offsets.

NO.
without offset the deal would have been 5.2 billion.

 

[Misha]

NO.
without offset the deal would have been 5.2 billion.

So if we remove fixed costs we paid for India specific modifications and we don't insist on offsets, 18 more will cost us less than 2 billion... is that right assumption?

 

[AnantS]

A Safranised Kaveri is already in France, for trial.

Wait for some members to cry .... its RSS & Muddii ki saazish (conspiracy) . Italiano Raul would have made it Green all the way


PS: Grammar nazis & butt hurt congiturds stay away I know its not saffron.. but could not resist leg pulling

 

[BON PLAN]

So if we remove fixed costs we paid for India specific modifications and we don't insist on offsets, 18 more will cost us less than 2 billion... is that right assumption?

Absolutely.
The 12 more for Qatar are charged 1.1 billion.

 

[no smoking]

What can be made in 3.5 years? Even constructing of technological simple bridges takes that long

In 3.5 years, you can buying a flying bed from Russia, put the engine on and start the test already.

Kaveri is flyable with dry thrust. the problem with afterburner comes in. 55kN of thrust is sustainably doable

Outside India, we call it failure since the designing target is 81kn. Or you can ask your pilots if they are ok to flying with this engine.

 

[darshan978]

In 3.5 years, you can buying a flying bed from Russia, put the engine on and start the test already.

Outside India, we call it failure since the designing target is 81kn. Or you can ask your pilots if they are ok to flying with this engine.

This engine was succesfully tested on il76 alredy flown..........

 

[darshan978]

A Safranised Kaveri is already in France, for trial.

Any source buddy how do you know

 

[Steven Rogers]

In 3.5 years, you can buying a flying bed from Russia, put the engine on and start the test already.



Outside India, we call it failure since the designing target is 81kn. Or you can ask your pilots if they are ok to flying with this engine.

The engine tested to its peak and it sustained 81kN thrust, but at the cost of 150kgees extra weight. Now comes reliability than its core was tested for 50hours continuous and it didn't disappointed. Even it was tested again and did the same result.

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[patriots]

Some Design Issues With India’s Kaveri Jet Engine
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[darshan978]

Some Design Issues With India’s Kaveri Jet Engine
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Diameter of kaveri seems too low compared to other jets engines like ej 200 or ge 414