Indian woman in Ireland dies after abortion refusal

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Indian laws allow abortions if mother's life is in danger. But still maternal deaths are high because spiritual leaders are brainwashing them..
Indian laws allow abortion even when the mother's life is not in danger, if the mother desires it. In that we are much better than the western Catholic nut cracks.

And India has a huge illiteracy rate and ignorance along with a huge lack of adequate medical services, as against the fully literate(morons) and highly advanced medical care available in the western countries. Despite that, they have managed to kill a women for their religion , despite the women not belonging to their religion :frusty:. It has nothing to do with Indian spiritual leaders brainwashing against health as you claim

I agree that 'If it were a western woman in a non-western country all hell would have broken lose'. My point was if an Indian women died in ME country then we won't discuss about human rights. We will only discuss how to bring her body as early as possible to India.
Thats because ME is a known barbarian land. now you want to include the Catholic Ireland on the same category with the Saudi Arabia? I would be happy to.
 

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The thing is there is a provision even in Irish law that abortions can be done if the mother's life is in danger. Its just that the stupid doctor did not know that provision.

But it was funny and tragic at the same time, to see the Indian Catholic padres in the TV news defending the decision of the Irish doctors.
 
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But it was funny and tragic at the same time, to see the Indian Catholic padres in the TV news defending the decision of the Irish doctors.
Isn't that Romantic :aww:
 

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Isn't that Romantic :aww:
This defence of Ireland by the padres is a very revealing incident. This is the MOST IMPORTANT reason I have a problem with Abrahamic religions increasing in India. One just does not know where their loyalties lie.
 

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There is no defence for the tragic and wholly preventable death of a young adult in the prime of her life for upholding the tenets of a religion, even one that she herself did not follow. Just imagine this woman was in pain for 3 days while the fetus slowly died inside her womb and then when the doctors intervened it was too late for her.

BTW Ireland's Catholic church has form on forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term - check out `Magdalene laundries` where unmarried mothers and other `penitents` were made to do unpaid laundry work well into the 1970's. Young Irish women wanting abortion normally cross over to UK where it is not illegal - in the case of Savita it was an unexpected miscarriage of a child the couple were expecting and not an unwanted pregnancy.
 

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There is no defence for the tragic and wholly preventable death of a young adult in the prime of her life for upholding the tenets of a religion, even one that she herself did not follow. Just imagine this woman was in pain for 3 days while the fetus slowly died inside her womb and then when the doctors intervened it was too late for her.

BTW Ireland's Catholic church has form on forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term - check out `Magdalene laundries` where unmarried mothers and other `penitents` were made to do unpaid laundry work well into the 1970's. Young Irish women wanting abortion normally cross over to UK where it is not illegal - in the case of Savita it was an unexpected miscarriage of a child the couple were expecting and not an unwanted pregnancy.
Most of your post and the other posts in this thread are very much beside the point. If the husband of the deceased woman were to bring suit against her doctors and the hospital in which she died, for medical malpractice and wrongful death, he would have a good case. Such an outcome may ensue, but as I have pointed out, DFI will have moved on to the next outrage, or the one after that.
 

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Articles: Ireland, Beware the 'Suicide' Exemption

The death in an Irish hospital of Savita Halappanavar in October has galvanized pro-abortion activists in Ireland and around the world. Their goal is to force Ireland, one of the few places in the Western world where abortion is illegal, to show its modernity by signing on to the culture of death.

The fact that Savita's death -- her first name has already become iconic -- had nothing to do with Ireland's abortion laws does not deter the activists. The international media carry their water. Their ruthless exploitation of this tragedy has forced the always insecure Irish political class to reconsider their abortion laws.
 

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Catholic Ireland to legalize abortion - The Times of India

Protests over the horrible death of a Karnataka-born dentist from pregnancy-related complications has forced deeply-Catholic Ireland to tweak its no-abortion policy to allow for termination of pregnancy in cases where the mother's life was in danger.

The Irish government said on Tuesday it would bring legislation to allow abortions in hospitals when doctors determine that a mother's life is at risk. The move comes seven weeks after the death of 31-year-old Savita Halappanavar, who was refused a termination of her pregnancy in a Galway hospital. She was 17 weeks pregnant and doctors refused her pleas for an abortion. She was suffering a miscarriage and died of septicaemia three days after requesting a termination.

Halappanavar's husband alleged Savita was doctors could do nothing because "Ireland was a Catholic country".

Abortion is banned in Ireland as per a papal diktat. Dublin's decision is, therefore, likely to be controversial and will in all probability confront strong opposition from conservative Catholics. Abortion has historically split Ireland, which fought for and won freedom from predominantly non-Catholic Britain. It has held five referendums on the matters since 1983. It is one of two European Union countries - the other being Malta - where women cannot have an abortion even when their lives are in danger.

However, Ireland's cabinet made the announcement after intense public pressure from secular elements following Halappanavar losing her life. The government intends to bring clarity so as to remove the prevailing legal ambiguity over exactly when doctors can perform an abortion if a woman's life is at risk. The bill will be drafted in the New Year and debated by the Irish parliament's health committee before it is voted upon in the house - known as the Dail.

Ireland's health minister said he was "conscious" of sensitivities. "I know that most people have personal views on this matter. However, the government is committed to ensuring that the safety of pregnant women in Ireland is maintained and strengthened," said James Reilly. "For that purpose, we will clarify in legislation and regulation what is available by way of treatment to a woman when a pregnancy gives rise to a threat to a woman's life."

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The Irish cabinet's decision to repeal legislation banning abortion and to introduce regulations that allow for abortions when the mother's life is threatened should be welcomed even if it can be argued that it does not go far enough in allowing women reproductive freedom. Had this been done earlier, Savita Halappanavar would probably not have lost her life. For those who would still argue that a ban on abortion is pro-life, we can only point out that Savita's case should make it abundantly clear that it can often end up taking lives that could otherwise have been saved.
 

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The Irish government said on Tuesday it would bring legislation to allow abortions in hospitals when doctors determine that a mother's life is at risk.
Ireland to seek change in abortion law after woman's death - latimes.com
Abortion is already supposed to be legal in Ireland when the life of the mother is in danger. Its highest court handed down the ruling decades ago, enshrining a key exception to its constitutional ban on abortion. But Irish officials have never set forward clear regulations or guidelines for doctors, a politically sensitive topic.
A lawsuit (wrongful death and medical malpractice) brought by the husband of the deceased would seem to be a good way to make the law more clear.
 

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Abortion is already supposed to be legal in Ireland when the life of the mother is in danger
The bolded part highlights the ambiguity in abortion laws. Such ambiguity allows doctors to wash their hands off after allowing a patient to die. Hopefully, Ireland manages to implement the new legislation and prevent such tragedies in future!
 

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Ireland to legislate for life-saving abortions


DUBLIN - Ireland's government says it will draft a new law spelling out the right of women to receive abortions in cases where the pregnancy poses a risk to their lives — including from a woman's own threats to commit suicide.

For two decades, successive governments have resisted passing any law in support of a 1992 Supreme Court judgment that such abortions should be legal in Ireland.

Catholic conservatives particularly oppose the suicide-threat justification, arguing it could be used to expand access to abortion beyond relatively rare cases where a pregnancy endangers a woman's life.


Tuesday's announcement follows international uproar over the October death of a miscarrying Indian woman in an Irish hospital. Her widower said she was denied a prompt termination because the fetus had a heartbeat.
 

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Savita Halappanavar: Medical misadventure verdict in inquest

The jury in the inquest into a woman who died in hospital in Ireland four days after suffering a miscarriage has given a verdict of medical misadventure.

Savita Halappanavar, 31, died in University Hospital Galway last October.

Her family claimed she might have survived if she had been given an abortion.

The inquest has heard the cause of death was septic shock and E coli.

The jury's verdict in the inquest was unanimous.

The coroner, Dr Ciaran MacLoughlin, said the verdict does not imply individual failings in systems at the hospital contributed to Savita's death.

The jury endorsed the coroner's nine recommendations.

The coroner's first recommendation was that the Irish Medical Council lay out new guidelines on when doctors can intervene to save the life of a mother.

He said the guidelines would remove doubt and fear among doctors and reassure the public.

Other recommendations are that blood samples are always followed up to ensure errors do not occur; that proper sepsis management training and guidelines are available for hospital staff and that there is effective communication between staff on call and those coming on duty in hospitals.

The coroner had also recommended that a dedicated time should be set aside at the end of each shift for this to happen.

He recommended that each hospital in the Irish state has a protocol for sepsis management; that modified early warning score charts are introduced in all hospitals as soon as possible; and that there is effective communication between patients and relatives to ensure they are fully aware of treatment plans.

The other two recommendations are that medical and nursing notes are kept separately and that no additions are made to notes, where the death of a person will be subject to an inquest.

Dr MacLoughlin passed on his sympathies to the widower of Mrs Halappanavar, Praveen Halappanavar.

The coroner said Mr Halappanavar had shown tremendous loyalty and love to his wife during her final days.

Speaking after the verdict, Praveen Halappanavar said he still had no clarity as to why his wife had died.

He told reporters that he owed it to his wife and her family to pursue the truth of what had happened.

Mr Halappanavar described the treatment his wife received in the days after she was admitted to hospital as "horrendous" and said somebody had to take ownership for that.

Speaking outside the Galway County Council buildings, he said his wife had not benefited by going to the hospital until after 24 October, when she was moved to intensive care.

He said he felt doctors could have intervened as soon as they knew the pregnancy was not viable.

Mr Halappanavar said he would now "sit back and consider the next step".

He thanked the Irish police, the coroner and the jury as well as his friends for the support they had given him.

Earlier, he said today was a poignant one as it was his wedding anniversary.

The conclusion of the inquest comes on the same day that the couple would have been celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary.

Following the inquest, Mr Halappanavar said there were still some questions that he wanted answered and that he still had no clarity as to why his wife had died.

The chief operating officer at the Galway Roscommon Hospital Group acknowledged there were lapses in the standards of care provided to Mrs Halappanavar.

Tony Canavan said that all the recommendations made by the coroner would be taken on board.

Source: BBC News - Savita Halappanavar: Medical misadventure verdict in inquest
 

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