India gets entry to MTCR

[sayareakd]

I think best part will be that it will bring down the prices of the products offered by Israel as other can now sell tech to us.

 

[Kshatriya87]

are we not celebrating early before the results are out.

Its even on the front page of Times of India.

 

[Kshatriya87]

So Italy didn't oppose it this time?

Maybe it was because of my tweet.[emoji14]

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[Indx TechStyle]

For the bosses in the armed forces it has great benefits because they have one more avenue to import.
For US it has benefits because now they will dictate what India should be making.
For politicos in power it has benefits because now they can look better before Indian expats.
For Indian expats too it has benefits because now they have done their bit for 'their country'.
For politicos not in power yet, it has benefits because by the time the private sector projects are going to come up there will be a whole new gravy train and they too will partake of the benefits.
For private sector it has benefits because now they can do joint-ventures for 'manufacturing' advanced missiles and UAVs.
For public sector it has benefits because now they will begin to look better to the main 'agents of change' who can hope to become Chairmans and MDs of these PSUs.
For Chinese it has benefits that India now will not be able to transfer tech that goes beyond 300/300 to any of their significant competition.
For Pakistanis it has benefits because now they can hope to pull down Indian R&D in missilery.
For Russians it has benefits because now they can do all overtly and get credit for it.
For Indian public - well yeh upar list main, mostly Indian public ka hissa hi to hain. So benefits for Indian public too.

So you see all benefits no sweat.

Now the NSG benefits is the next thing to be looked at.

Will it affect Agni missile program?
Agni 6 (@10000km) was projected to be tested in 2017.

 

[Yumdoot]

Will it affect Agni missile program?
Agni 6 (@10000km) was projected to be tested in 2017.

I don't think so.

DRDO can always claim that they have a 100 ton IRBM in the works because BARC can only manage 800 kg MIRV for 20 kt phusss and really nobody can do anything about it.

 

[Kshatriya87]

I think best part will be that it will bring down the prices of the products offered by Israel as other can now sell tech to us.

Does this mean that MTCR membership allows us to buy missiles with range more than 300km?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I don't think so.

DRDO can always claim that they have a 100 ton IRBM in the works because BARC can only manage 800 kg MIRV for 20 kt phusss and really nobody can do anything about it.

Didn't got your point.
I asked question,
India is expected to test a 10000km range ICBM in 2017. Will MTCR membership affect the test schedules?
Yes or no.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Didn't got your point.
I asked question,
India is expected to test a 10000km range ICBM in 2017. Will MTCR membership affect the test schedules?
Yes or no.

I'm not sure but here's my two cents on it. MTCR is as the name signifies, a technology control regime. Which simply means to prevent proliferation of missile technology. Which in turn prevents the spread of missiles to hostile/ irresponsible powers.

So I think as long as we keep the long range missiles to ourselves, it doesn't matter. The problem will occur when we export these missiles to foreign countries.

 

[Chinmoy]

What are the benefits of joining Missile Tech Control Regime?

For one, Brahmos now could be 300+ km..............

 

[Chinmoy]

Didn't got your point.
I asked question,
India is expected to test a 10000km range ICBM in 2017. Will MTCR membership affect the test schedules?
Yes or no.

MTCR would not have any effect on it. But yeah HCoC may have some effect on it theoretically. But looking at our bureaucracy, which could bend any law to their likes, this too can't be a huge road block for us.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

MTCR would not have any effect on it. But yeah HCoC may have some effect on it theoretically. But looking at our bureaucracy, which could bend any law to their likes, this too can't be a huge road block for us.

I guess HCoC doesn't bound legally.
win win equation, wish we get in UNSC in a decade.

 

[bose]

It will make easier for India to acquire long range drones from Israel and US ...

India can export missiles specially the brahmos to customers like Vietnam...

Easy to declare 500+ KM Brohmos existence ...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China is not a MTCR signatory

http://www.mtcr.info/english/partners.html

India can now block China and pak like they did India in NSG


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[Prashant12]

India Asks US for Predator C Drones

Washington. India has formally asked the United States for Predator C Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles (UCAVs).

Reliable sources told India Strategic that the Predator C requirement has been mentioned at a very high level during the current visit of the Indian Prime Minister. Now that India is getting into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), President Barack Obama will ask the State and Defense Departments to consider the Indian request.

Predator C is made by General Atomics Aeronautical System Inc. (GA-ASI), which has already offered an unarmed version, Predator XP, to the Indian Air Force (IAF) and Navy for reconnaissance purposes.

The number of drones required by India is not known but the UCAV, also known as Avenger, will be operated by the Indian Air Force which in any case is also short of manned combat jets. In the troubled terror-infested environment around India, a combination of manned and unmanned precision strike aircraft and systems are an immediate necessity.

IAF had in fact asked the Indian Ministry of Defence for strike drones – or UCAVs – at least six or seven years ago.

Avenger is a further development of MQ 9 Reaper, which is extensively used by the US CIA to neutralise terrorists with precision strikes and minimum possible collateral damage.

Avenger has a turboprop engine, some stealth features, a highly sophisticated Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) for reconnaissance and targeting, and can carry air to ground missiles like the Hellfire. It can be controlled from anywhere in the world through satellite connectivity.

Notably, although a strike drone like the Predator C has no onboard pilot, its operation requires a couple of people at the control station to monitor the target area, and then to command the machine to shoot after due verifications

http://www.indiastrategic.in/India_Asks_US_for_Predator_C_Drones.htm

 

[Prashant12]

Doors open for India to military logistics, cutting-edge weaponry

NEW DELHI: Doors are now being yanked open for Indian armed forces to extend their operational reach in the critical Asia Pacific region and beyond with logistical help from the US, as also acquire some cutting-edge military products like the Predator surveillance and armed drones after joining the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).

These, in effect, were the key takeaways in the defence sector from the flurry of announcements made after the Modi-Obama meet in Washington on Tuesday. The bilateral Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), which will now be inked after finalisation of its text, envisages Indian and American militaries providing logistics support, refuelling and berthing facilities to each other's warships and aircraft on an equal-value exchange basis seamlessly.

The LEMOA will give the US forces regular access to Indian military bases, which has led to some criticism about India surrendering its traditional strategic autonomy. But, as reported by TOI earlier, the pact will also allow Indian forces access to US bases ranging from Djibouti (Horn of Africa) and Diego Garcia (central Indian Ocean) to Guam (western Pacific) and Subic Bay (the Philippines).

The LEMOA basically revolves around "functional arr- angements" for exercises, joint trainings, port calls and HADR (humanitarian assist- ance and disaster relief) operations. Defence minister Manohar Parrikar and top officials have stressed the pact will not lead to any permanent stationing of US troops on Indian soil. India will also have the right to refuse logistical support for any US military action.

India's quest to acquire armed HALE (high-altitude, long endurance) drones or UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) as well as some key space technologies, in turn, will now become easier after joining the 34-member MTCR, which prevents proliferation of missiles and UAVs over the range of 300-km. India has been in talks with the US for acquiring Predator/Avenger drones, which have been used extensively in the Af-Pak region to take out terrorists with their deadly Hellfire missiles, for quite some time but not being an MTCR member was a major hurdle in the way till now.

Apart from the launch of the bilateral maritime security dialogue, the conclusion of a technical arrangement for sharing of commercial 'White Shipping' information between India and the US is another step towards promoting overall maritime domain awareness. India, incidentally, is trying to finalise such pacts with over 25 countries from the African east coast to the western Pacific to strengthen maritime security from conventional as well as unconventional threats.

Categorisation of India as a 'Major Defence Partner' by the US on Tuesday is also a step forward, which will help process Indian applications faster through the American bureaucracy and control regulations. But it's still not enough to meet the aspirations of India, which has given arms contracts worth over $13 billion to the US over the last decade.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...utting-edge-weaponry/articleshow/52663909.cms

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-missiles-idUSKCN0YU2SQ

India plans expanded missile export drive, with China on its mind

 

[Akask kumar]

4 out of 5 members in UNSC are members of MTCR.
Plus it will make missile trade easy. It will further strengthen our bid for permanent seat in UNSC.
Next step must be NSG.
Joining such treaties one by one may bear support for UNSC.

but what i read and know MTCR prohibit missile trade.. and if few members of MTCR blacklist a nation for missile trade then all nation has to do the same. in this case if Most of the members of MTCR black list vietnam for missile trade then India cant export its Brahmos missile.Some say Inclusion of india in MTCR was a booby trap to stop Brahmos export.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

but what i read and know MTCR prohibit missile trade.. and if few members of MTCR blacklist a nation for missile trade then all nation has to do the same. in this case if Most of the members of MTCR black list vietnam for missile trade then India cant export its Brahmos missile.Some say Inclusion of india in MTCR was a booby trap to stop Brahmos export.

Why will they blacklist Vietnam at first place?
By MTCR, India can export small missiles openly thumping chests to SCS countries, with corporation with other members like JVs etc..

 

[cannonfodder]

Uncle SAM has lifted embargo on weapons sale to Vietnam. They want to united front in SCS and will make sure Vietnam is not banned in future till Chinese threat remains.

Interesting times ahead.

but what i read and know MTCR prohibit missile trade.. and if few members of MTCR blacklist a nation for missile trade then all nation has to do the same. in this case if Most of the members of MTCR black list vietnam for missile trade then India cant export its Brahmos missile.Some say Inclusion of india in MTCR was a booby trap to stop Brahmos export.

 

[sayareakd]

Lets see if US give us cutting edge tech, i am bit sceptical on this, but at least we should get at least tech which is 2-3 years back.