INS KALAVARIan image on some recent issue of china defense magazine
if it came with an article could please post it here . thanksan image on some recent issue of china defense magazine
Enough.How much fuel does submarine carry......
Wiki says 1050 km with speed of 9.3 km/hrEnough.
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Whether we'll have AIP on the last two (or on the additional 3 that are being contemplated) depends on whether DRDO manages to get it ready, tested & certified by then. If not, either we'll just order them with conventional diesels, or order the MESMA-II directly from France.Wiki says 1050 km with speed of 9.3 km/hr
And First four submarines are conventional and other two are AIP fitted..
Not every submarine is AIP fitted
Actually, part of the blame should be placed on DRDO as well. As it is this agency which goes to MoD saying that they will develop an indigenous AIP system. Banking on this, MoD might just decide to hold off any foreign AIP purchase (afterall, if DRDO gets more funding, it means MoD gets more funding).It is a shame that Indian Navy's first four scorpene class submarines will not have AIPs whereas Pakistan Navy's Agosta class submarines are equipped with AIPs.
Why Indian netas and babus have no foresight?
What if China gives AIP technology to Pakistan industrial complex? This will be a huge blow to DRDOs prestige.
I hope Indian netas and babus propose joint collaboration with Russia in 5th generation nuclear submarines. India should be ahead of Pakistan's all weather ally China in military technology.Actually, part of the blame should be placed on DRDO as well. As it is this agency which goes to MoD saying that they will develop an indigenous AIP system. Banking on this, MoD might just decide to hold off any foreign AIP purchase (afterall, if DRDO gets more funding, it means MoD gets more funding).
But this AIP might arrive 10 or 20 years behind schedule. Or maybe not at all.
When it finally comes, we would probably already be inducting indigenous nuclear SSNs and no-one will bother about AIP at that point (unless Scorpenes come up for a deep mid-life upgrade).
Cost of typical AIP sub is 100 million USD to 250 million USD, compared to 1,6 – 3 billion USD for typical nuclear submarine; though estimates for possible US diesel subs were as high as 500 million to 1 billion USD.
Here is list of submarine costs:
AIP submarines:
T-96 class (Sweden): 100 million USD
212-type (Germany): 250 million USD
Moray class (Netherlands): 250 million USD
Dolphin class (Germany): 500 – 870 million USD
Scorpene class (France): 450 million USD
Nuclear submarines:
Los Angeles class: 1 billion USD
Seawolf class: 2,8 billion USD
Virginia class: 1,8 – 2,5 billion USD
Astute class: 1,17 – 1,82 billion USD
DRDO is a piece of shit keeps india's security at risk all times..........Actually, part of the blame should be placed on DRDO as well. As it is this agency which goes to MoD saying that they will develop an indigenous AIP system. Banking on this, MoD might just decide to hold off any foreign AIP purchase (afterall, if DRDO gets more funding, it means MoD gets more funding).
But this AIP might arrive 10 or 20 years behind schedule. Or maybe not at all.
When it finally comes, we would probably already be inducting indigenous nuclear SSNs and no-one will bother about AIP at that point (unless Scorpenes come up for a deep mid-life upgrade).
Ohh really, by this very statement, you have proven that you're the real piece of excrement. DRDO given its budget and the attitudes of the services it tries develope for; manages quite well. Half the time, they have to deal with some of the services who are fed by the import lobbies and have a bastardly attitude towards anything home made.DRDO is a piece of shit keeps india's security at risk all times..........
Now that we already have Scorpene...it makes no sense to buy a different class of submarines. Infact if we do so it will be a logistical nightmare of sorts. We'd be the only Navy in the world that operated 4 different kinds of diesel-electric SSKs within recent history. Kilo, U209, Scorpene and P-75I. Navy is already suffering the consequences of such decisions (including when MoD sat on license to manufacture further U209-class SSKs in India, just like how they sat on license to make FH-77B howitzers here).German Type-216 or 218 are much better than scorpene submarines.....and cheaper too..
I think building more French subs is a better choice. But rather go for Scorpenes than S80.....We will either have to buy the Navantia S80 "Super Scorpene" under P-75I, or just scrap the tender altogether and go for upto 6 additional DCNS Scorpenes, but with AIP fitments.
Either way, it will ensure that our future diesel-electric submarine fleet will be entirely based around the Scorpene infrastructure only. Lots of time & money can be saved....also with either the DRDO-made or the MESMA-II AIP system, and the future SLCMs, the Scorpenes will be one heck of a killer.
The upcoming BrahMos-NG variant (same 290km range, max speed boosted to Mach 3.5 and weighs approx. 1.5 tons) is being designed to fit into any 533mm torpedo tubes. Therefore a VLS fitment will no longer be necessary even if IN decides that future anti-ship SLCM capability needs to be based around the BrahMos platform instead of subsonic Exocet/Harpoon/Klub.I think building more French subs is a better choice. But rather go for Scorpenes than S80.
S80 @ 7.3 too cannot accomodate a Brahmos VLS. I am not saying that is a definitive requirement of P75I - but if not then why make a different model?