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Actually, not even Thales claimed that AESA and PESA are the same, they only claimed the new radar can be "plug and play" which is very different from what you claimed. For example: You can removed a AIM-9 from missiles rail then replaced it with AIM-120, effectively "plug and play" but that doesn't mean the two missiles are the same.
extract of my source :
"the new array is totally plug and play" "without any changes to the processing equipment" " this can be achieved in a very short time"

array <> radar.
without any change to the processing equipement.

it's crystal clear.
 

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The US has a roughly 25-30 billion deficit with Italy on trade, their defense budget is under 2% and they need to increase this. One way of addressing both problems is for Italy to buy the F-35 which will not only keep the Trump admin happy but also brings their trade more into balance. The current Government is more likely to align with Trump admin. So while we might see a small cut (the chance is very low), the most likely outcome for deliveries to be spread out over a longer period of time for the same number.
Italy order intent :
131 at the beggining.
90 yesterday.
less than that tomorrow. (With or without Trump ! He may vociferous, he will not change Italian politics).

As Netherlands, GB, Israel.... (and USAF in a couple of years). It's just facts.
 

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extract of my source :
"the new array is totally plug and play" "without any changes to the processing equipment" " this can be achieved in a very short time"

array <> radar.
without any change to the processing equipement.

it's crystal clear.
sigh......
Do you know what AESA and PESA short for?
AESA is the acronym for active electronic scanned array
PESA is the acronym for passive electronic scanned array.
They are called array because unlike common radar , AESA/PESA are group of transmitting antennas. For your information, HPA, LNA, TWT ..etc are not processing equipment

Just have a look to this "blog".... It's very serious and written by skilled swiss journalists.
It's called blog because you may add a comment.
http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/
blog are called blog because they are informal and normally reflect the author opinions.
 

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sigh......
Do you know what AESA and PESA short for?
AESA is the acronym for active electronic scanned array
PESA is the acronym for passive electronic scanned array.
They are called array because unlike common radar , AESA/PESA are group of transmitting antennas. For your information, HPA, LNA, TWT ..etc are not processing equipment


blog are called blog because they are informal and normally reflect the author opinions.
As already said, don't take the other for idiots. I'm, among other things, engineer (and not in delicatessen )
I perfectly know what mean PESA and AESA. And probably since far more time than you as I'm 52.
 

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All Rafale standards contents
  • LF1 standard (2000/05/01)
    • R550 Magic 2
  • F1 standard (2001/12/01)
    • 30M791 gun A2A modes
    • Mica EM
    • SPECTRA
  • F2.1 standard (2005/12/01)
    • Hadrware update
    • MDPU
    • MIDS-Link16
    • Upgraded SPECTRA
    • OSF
    • Sensor fusion
    • SCALP
    • MICA-IR
  • F2.2 standard (01/06/2006)
    • SBU-38
    • Upgraded SPECTRA
    • Obsolescences updates
  • F3.0 standard (01/07/2008)
    • Hardware update
    • Long range MICA-IR modes
    • High resolution Radar MAP
    • Upgraded IFF
    • SLPRM V4-2
  • F3.1 standard (2009/06/01)
    • Common F3 software for retrofited F2 and F3-O aircrafts
  • F3.2 standard (2010/03/01)
    • Full LGB capability
    • Damocles-MP
    • GBU-12/22
    • SBU-64
    • 30M791 gun A2G modes
    • AM39 block 2 mod 2
    • ASMP-A
    • AREOS recce pod
  • F3.3 standard (2012/01/01)
    • MIDS-Link16 upgrade
    • RBE-2 AESA
    • OSF-IT
    • DDM-NG
    • New MFD
    • Improved HUD transparancy
    • Upgraded IFF
  • F3.3' standard (2013/05/01)
    • GBU-24
    • AESA antenna compatibility with tranche 1, 2, 3 aircrafts
  • F3.4+ standard (2014/12/01)
    • MGRS format GPS data input
    • Updated HUD safety symbology and warning
    • New take off abortion warning (max brake energy capability)
    • Real time ground following mode switch (radar-digital mapping)
  • F3R standard (2018/10/01)
    • Meteor
    • Talios LDP
    • AGCAS
    • IFF mode 5/S
    • Link 16 upgrade
    • RBE-2 PESA upgrade
    • SPECTRA upgrade
    • AREOS pod upgrade
    • Full SBU-54 integration
    • AASM fuse programmation upgrade
    • GBU-16 integration
    • NARANG refueling pod
  • F4.1 standard (2023 ?)
    • M88 "light"upgrade
    • Mica NG
    • SCALP-MLU or New SCALP ?
    • CONTACT radio
    • Satcom 2
    • MIDS-Link16 block upgrade 2
    • AASM upgrade
      • Block 4
      • Datalink
      • 2 new models : 500/1000 Kg
    • AASL
      • Smart Glider light
      • Smart Glider heavy
    • ASPTT (BAT 120 LG ?)
    • Active towed decoy (maybe on F4.2 ?)
    • GMTI on RBE2 AESA
    • Ultra high resolution SAR mode of RBE2 (maybe on F4.2 ?)
    • follow on PEA TRAGEDAC (passive detection improvement via aircraft networking and triangulation) (maybe on F4.2 ?)
    • High speed intra-fligt tactical data link
  • F4.2 standard (2025 ?)
    • INCAS : Spectra improvement, with GaN
    • RBE-2 AESA upgrade
      • GaN antennae (with 2 side arrays added to the front antenna)
      • Ultra Haute Resolution SAR (if not on F4.1)
    • Active towed decoy (if not on F4.1)
    • new OSF IRST
    • New cockpit with bigger screens
    • Hardened weapon system architecture (follow on PEA CAPOEIRA)
 

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Bad weather again.
The storm is approching.... :laugh:



US Senate passes bill prohibiting sale of F-35 jets to Turkey

The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly approved a $717 billion defense policy bill on August 1, which includes an amendment that prohibits the sale of F-35jets to Turkey until Pentagon issues a report in 90 days.

The 87-10 vote for the annual National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) will give the Pentagon a $638 billion base budget for defense-related programs linked to the Department of Energy plus an additional $69 billion for possible overseas operations.

The bill would also authorize a 2.6 percent pay raise for troops, the largest in nearly a decade, as well as boost the size of the Navy and the ranks of the military services by 15,600 active-duty troops.

The Pentagon report is expected to include an assessment of Turkey's participation in the F-35 program as well as the risks that would be posed by the country's purchase of the Russian S-400 missile defense system,

Criticizing the U.S. for trying to force Turkey not to purchase the S-400 air defense system from Russia, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu last week recalled that Turkey had been trying to purchase the Patriot air defense system from the U.S., but the missiles have never been sold to Turkeywhen they were needed the most.

"This is the reason why Turkey, which is in urgent need of these weapons, has chosen to purchase them from Russia," he added.

Touching on the F-35 fighter jets, Çavuşoğlu also emphasized that if Washington as the worst-case scenario decides not to sell F-35s to Turkey, then no one can tell Turkey not to buy aircraft from a second country or not to produce its own.

Turkey has been in the F-35 program since 1999. The Turkish defense industry has taken an active role in the production of aircraft. Alp Aviation, AYESAS, Kale Aviation, Kale Pratt & Whitney and Turkish Aerospace Industries have been producing parts for the first F-35fighter jet.

Turkey plans to purchase 100 F-35 fighter jets in the coming years, according to state-run Anadolu Agency.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us...rohibiting-sale-of-f-35-jets-to-turkey-135309
 

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After a mid-air emergency forced an F-35A fighter jet to return to Eglin Air Force Base, the plane’s landing nose gear collapsed, leaving the 5 generation fighter face down on the runway. F-35 assigned to the 58th Fighter Squadron.The incident happened around 12:50 PM Wednesday.

 

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Half of F-35 fleet grounded by tech problems – Pentagon report!

 

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After a mid-air emergency forced an F-35A fighter jet to return to Eglin Air Force Base, the plane’s landing nose gear collapsed, leaving the 5 generation fighter face down on the runway. F-35 assigned to the 58th Fighter Squadron.The incident happened around 12:50 PM Wednesday.

Ready for a colonoscopy ? LOL :laugh:
 

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The US military is quietly talking about a new hybrid fighter jet that could kill the F-35

http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/us...w-fighter-jet-that-could-kill-the-f-35-2018-8

..... the idiots will answer it is to prepare the future.
This is a pipe dream as of now.

Any alterations to existing F-22 would cost dearly.

Not to mention only fixed amount of airframes are built. Restarting production is nearly impossible as that would mean the death of F-35. Not to mention retooling and re-creating the design charts (the old modules and charts are usually destroyed after completion of production for safety reasons).

@BON PLAN we have seen propaganda from LM that it is the best(better than F-22) kind of bullshit and from LM counterparts stating F-35 is a turkey, a leamon, "can't run, can't hide, can't kill" kinda stuff. So let's not get ahead of ourselves in celebration based on simple propaganda article no better than tissue paper, in fact tissues have better uses than that article.

Purchase of aircraft or any defense equipment in still in the hands of Senate. Though US armed forces makes suggestions, final word is in the hands of Senate.

F-35 parts are being manufactured in 45 states, there is no way that Senate and governors are going to loose jobs based on ill performance of few hundred fighter jets, they basically don't care. Not to mention LM would be stuffing their deep pockets till money starts to overflow.

We all know how things work in US arms purchase....no matter what propaganda says F-35 is coming and in large numbers. Even if the disaster of F-35 being turkey comes out like "Growler debacle" or " M247 Sergeant York" there is no backup plan for another stealth aircraft.

Last but not least, I hope you know of Trump bashing EU countries for not doing enough for NATO military. During such tough times, how many NATO or EU countries are going to switch from purchasing F-35 to other aircraft and face the wrath of US or rather Trump. One last thing there is no escape for EU(except for France, maybe Germany) to buy F-35s. Not till 2050, even then there is doubt.
 

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This is a pipe dream as of now.

Any alterations to existing F-22 would cost dearly.

Not to mention only fixed amount of airframes are built. Restarting production is nearly impossible as that would mean the death of F-35. Not to mention retooling and re-creating the design charts (the old modules and charts are usually destroyed after completion of production for safety reasons).

@BON PLAN we have seen propaganda from LM that it is the best(better than F-22) kind of bullshit and from LM counterparts stating F-35 is a turkey, a leamon, "can't run, can't hide, can't kill" kinda stuff. So let's not get ahead of ourselves in celebration based on simple propaganda article no better than tissue paper, in fact tissues have better uses than that article.

Purchase of aircraft or any defense equipment in still in the hands of Senate. Though US armed forces makes suggestions, final word is in the hands of Senate.

F-35 parts are being manufactured in 45 states, there is no way that Senate and governors are going to loose jobs based on ill performance of few hundred fighter jets, they basically don't care. Not to mention LM would be stuffing their deep pockets till money starts to overflow.

We all know how things work in US arms purchase....no matter what propaganda says F-35 is coming and in large numbers. Even if the disaster of F-35 being turkey comes out like "Growler debacle" or " M247 Sergeant York" there is no backup plan for another stealth aircraft.

Last but not least, I hope you know of Trump bashing EU countries for not doing enough for NATO military. During such tough times, how many NATO or EU countries are going to switch from purchasing F-35 to other aircraft and face the wrath of US or rather Trump. One last thing there is no escape for EU(except for France, maybe Germany) to buy F-35s. Not till 2050, even then there is doubt.
I don't know it's only a fantasm : USA was keen to propose to Japan a F22/F35 mix few months ago.
This is it !
The main problem of F35 is that USA want to built 3 planes in a single. And the VTOL model impose so many concessions to the others that they become fat turkeys.

I see two options :
a F22 like with F35 electronic suite and engines (It's not the most costier to built airframe).
a single engine light F22 with F35 systems (to avoid the ice cube aerodynamism of F35)

remain a VTOL F35 variant, for those needed to replace Harrier, and the fools that ordered F35 at the beginning (NL, GB, I, Israel, Japan...), because i'm sure that with or without a new plane, NEVER US WILL ORDERED 1600 x F35 !
 

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Is the F-35 Really Just Another F-4 Phantom?

Will Rules of Engagement Constrain Fighters to Short-Range Engagements?

The circumstances which forced Phantom pilots over Vietnam to largely forsake taking advantage of their BVR-capable missiles may seem specific to that conflict—but in reality, rules of engagement heavily favoring visual contact with the enemy have remained the rule rather than the exception.


This is both because nobody wants to accidentally shoot down an airliner , but also because opposing fighter jets have often engaged each other in ambiguous circumstances short of total war where the authorization to engage may not be given until the aircraft are relatively close to each other. Think, for example, the downing of a Syrian Su-22 in 2017 by a U.S. Navy FA-18 Super Hornet or two aerial skirmishes involving F-14 Tomcats and Libyan Su-22s and MiG-23s in 1981 and 1989.



https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-really-just-another-f-4-phantom-30547?page=0,2
 

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BAD NEWS...

The italian F35 target will be shortened more.

1st step : 131 => 90
2nd step : 90 => ? (my bet is 50 or 60 more or less).

After the Netherlands exemple, the GB exemple, probably the Israeli exemple (more F15), sure the Turkish exemple.... Bad weather on F35.

And it's only the beginning.

https://www.analisidifesa.it/2018/09/ministro-trenta-gli-f-35-italiani-si-ridurranno-ancora/
Well, this sort of news can be taken with a pinch of salt, any reduction below 90 would also mean Italian products would be cut out from competition in several US contests. Plus not to mention the vast trade deficit with the US and below 1% NATO spending, the cheapest way for Italy to meet it's commitments is to stay the course.
 

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