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Is the F-35 Really Just Another F-4 Phantom?

Will Rules of Engagement Constrain Fighters to Short-Range Engagements?

The circumstances which forced Phantom pilots over Vietnam to largely forsake taking advantage of their BVR-capable missiles may seem specific to that conflict—but in reality, rules of engagement heavily favoring visual contact with the enemy have remained the rule rather than the exception.


This is both because nobody wants to accidentally shoot down an airliner , but also because opposing fighter jets have often engaged each other in ambiguous circumstances short of total war where the authorization to engage may not be given until the aircraft are relatively close to each other. Think, for example, the downing of a Syrian Su-22 in 2017 by a U.S. Navy FA-18 Super Hornet or two aerial skirmishes involving F-14 Tomcats and Libyan Su-22s and MiG-23s in 1981 and 1989.



[URL='https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-really-just-another-f-4-phantom-30547?page=0,2[/QUOTE']https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-really-just-another-f-4-phantom-30547?page=0,2[/URL]


Sébastien Roblin holds a master’s degree in conflict resolution from Georgetown University and served as a university instructor for the Peace Corps in China. He has also worked in education, editing and refugee resettlement in France and the United States. He currently writes on security and military history for
War Is Boring .

:rofl:The last thing we need is the gospel according to a university instructor at the Peace Corp in China or someone who worked in refuge resettlement in France (seems like all he did was to get everybody into St. Deniz :crying:)

Please can actually make an effort to post some real credible articles from respectable authors than posting hogwash articles from douche bag no bodies who haven't a clue about fighters.
 

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Well, this sort of news can be taken with a pinch of salt, any reduction below 90 would also mean Italian products would be cut out from competition in several US contests. Plus not to mention the vast trade deficit with the US and below 1% NATO spending, the cheapest way for Italy to meet it's commitments is to stay the course.
Italy will follow GB, NL and some others way.... cut, and cut.
As GB, Italy was unlike by the offset of F35 (GB : see the F136 engine..... what a smach !)

Italian FREMM in USN? no way.
other? what?
 

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Italy will follow GB, NL and some others way.... cut, and cut.
As GB, Italy was unlike by the offset of F35 (GB : see the F136 engine..... what a smach !)

Italian FREMM in USN? no way.
other? what?
Read your own article before asking me for this info
 

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Read your own article before asking me for this info
Don't worry for me. I read and speak italian also.

So Now that italy has its factory of F35, and with the Turkish confuse, they can easily reduce their order. US has no counter power.

My bet? No more than 60 x F35 for Italy at the end.

GB, NL, Italy, Israel needing more F15... Next big affair will be the cut in the US order. To come soon, it's written.
 

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Don't worry for me. I read and speak italian also.

So Now that italy has its factory of F35, and with the Turkish confuse, they can easily reduce their order. US has no counter power.

My bet? No more than 60 x F35 for Italy at the end.

GB, NL, Italy, Israel needing more F15... Next big affair will be the cut in the US order. To come soon, it's written.
Well regardless of how many cuts, the F-35 will over it's life time will have a production of well over 2000. If they still manage to sell more F-16s, F-15s, F-18's, how does that hurt the US? It keeps the fighter mafia busy. The funny thing is they manage through to hook or crook still find countries willing to spend billions on 4.5 gen decades old designs (basically because the teens are proven workhorses and still hold toe to toe for many Eurocarnard deals in terms of orders). keeping the production and many jobs active for another 7-8 years?

While countries like France keeping harping about Rafale, US has a wide set of products that keep selling.
 

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the F-35 will over it's life time will have a production of well over 2000.
I don't think so.
We only read bad news about it : more extra budget to finish the dev phase, FOC delayed, "up to date components" to be redesigned, a mix F22/F35 on the air, a 6th gen on the air.
I think US top brass understand the product is a fail, but are trying to find a way out with low collateral damages (to protect the america first jobs).
 

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I don't think so.
We only read bad news about it : more extra budget to finish the dev phase, FOC delayed, "up to date components" to be redesigned, a mix F22/F35 on the air, a 6th gen on the air.
I think US top brass understand the product is a fail, but are trying to find a way out with low collateral damages (to protect the america first jobs).
The USAF, USMC & USN combined order is around 2500, even a cut of 700-800 fighters (which is very highly unlikely with massive budgets allocated and with Trump expected to stay in office another 6+ years (during whose tenure the F-35 peak production will be achieved) there is little that changes on the Program's long term outlook. Even if 700-800 unit in cuts in US alone occur, peak production will remain till atleast 2020. Add to it the fact that many of NATO's and many other AFs will be replacing their F-16s, one can easily expect several hundred of orders in that timeline ex F-16 users. As said, 2000+ number over it's life time is inevitable. At peak production, the F-35 will be price competitive VS the EF/Rafale and others.

By 2025 the F-35 will have most of it's issues ironed out. While the processes of getting te aircraft right have been a cluster F***, however I doubt any of the users/ test pilots flying it with Block 3F have any serious concerns about it's capability. Keep in mind folks in Israel are quite happy with it.
 

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The USAF, USMC & USN combined order is around 2500, even a cut of 700-800 fighters (which is very highly unlikely with massive budgets allocated and with Trump expected to stay in office another 6+ years (during whose tenure the F-35 peak production will be achieved) there is little that changes on the Program's long term outlook. Even if 700-800 unit in cuts in US alone occur, peak production will remain till atleast 2020. Add to it the fact that many of NATO's and many other AFs will be replacing their F-16s, one can easily expect several hundred of orders in that timeline ex F-16 users. As said, 2000+ number over it's life time is inevitable. At peak production, the F-35 will be price competitive VS the EF/Rafale and others.

By 2025 the F-35 will have most of it's issues ironed out. While the processes of getting te aircraft right have been a cluster F***, however I doubt any of the users/ test pilots flying it with Block 3F have any serious concerns about it's capability. Keep in mind folks in Israel are quite happy with it.
You are a dreamer.

2500 for US forces? Never. You forget that they will probably order more SH18, drones, refurbished F15 and F16...

By 2015 the F35 be ready? Inch'Allah !!! LM is not at its first false promise.

Competitive? May be. But I don't think the customer will be so nice with the complete addiction thanks to Alis to Pentagon. UAE and Egypt have experimented that.... And Egypt ordered Rafale.
 

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You are a dreamer.

2500 for US forces? Never. You forget that they will probably order more SH18, drones, refurbished F15 and F16...

By 2015 the F35 be ready? Inch'Allah !!! LM is not at its first false promise.

Competitive? May be. But I don't think the customer will be so nice with the complete addiction thanks to Alis to Pentagon. UAE and Egypt have experimented that.... And Egypt ordered Rafale.
As of 2010 the number set to be procured by the US alone is 2443, this hasn't changed regardless of who is in the white house. Till that actually changes (that would require majority of AF, Navy and USMC all down sizing again not happening) the rest of your post is drivel, 'talk' of cuts is not a cut itself. A cut under Trump is very unlikely especially since the US economy is at the best it's been and defense budgets are at record numbers.

Also, production costs are slowly stabilizing or dropping and by peak production (which will happen during Trump's second term) prices for the F-35 will be the lowest, so no way a cut at that point either.

So that said, any window of a cut in the US would be between now and 2020, post that the falling price of the aircraft won't justify cuts.

Also you forget with COMSACA signed, don't be surprised if a offer for the F-35 comes across or even the IAF send's an RFI for the F-35 with the PAKFA void being left open.
 

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As of 2010 the number set to be procured by the US alone is 2443, this hasn't changed regardless of who is in the white house. Till that actually changes (that would require majority of AF, Navy and USMC all down sizing again not happening) the rest of your post is drivel, 'talk' of cuts is not a cut itself. A cut under Trump is very unlikely especially since the US economy is at the best it's been and defense budgets are at record numbers.

Also, production costs are slowly stabilizing or dropping and by peak production (which will happen during Trump's second term) prices for the F-35 will be the lowest, so no way a cut at that point either.

So that said, any window of a cut in the US would be between now and 2020, post that the falling price of the aircraft won't justify cuts.

Also you forget with COMSACA signed, don't be surprised if a offer for the F-35 comes across or even the IAF send's an RFI for the F-35 with the PAKFA void being left open.
The guy in the white house publicly said that the price of F35 was too high. He publicly said that he want to order more SH18...
ALL recent west big weapon programs were cut. In USA : Seewolff SSN, Zumwalt cruiser, A12 attack plane, Comanche Helo, F22, etc...
So will be the F35. USA will invest more in the UAV instead.

A seconf mandat for the idiot with blond hairs? Maybe. The very average US people are probably ready for that. But he has so many affairs in the a** that he may be kick off by the US elite in the next 2 years.
 

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The guy in the white house publicly said that the price of F35 was too high. He publicly said that he want to order more SH18...
ALL recent west big weapon programs were cut. In USA : Seewolff SSN, Zumwalt cruiser, A12 attack plane, Comanche Helo, F22, etc...
So will be the F35. USA will invest more in the UAV instead.

A seconf mandat for the idiot with blond hairs? Maybe. The very average US people are probably ready for that. But he has so many affairs in the a** that he may be kick off by the US elite in the next 2 years.
The guy in the white house pulled a public stunt to negotiate the F-35's price down while ordering more F-18s thus keeping the line open another 7-8 years while USN ordering around 100 Block 3 SH over the next 5 years and Kuwait and others including India mull an F-18ASH purchase. In 2017, he got $600 million off the 90 jet LRIP 10 purchase order and in 2018 the order is for 147 F-35s. He is just playing hardball to keep Boeing, LM and others in check. The funnier thing is in this day and age the US still manages to sell F-15s, F-16s and F-18s (old designs) while most Euro canards struggle for orders.

So meanwhile the production of the F-35 continues and the commitment is still to buy over 2400, nothing has changed as per US plans. Talk of cuts doesn't always result in cuts. With every block buy getting a lower price tag the cost of the acquisition is dropping. While a window of an order cut exits for the next 2 years, especially before full scale production clearance which is to be expected by Oct 2019 but given the current economic conditions, this is not happening.

While some will try to derail the purchase, it is political suicide for any senator or congressman to get onboard with cuts since the supply chain is spread over 47 states and the last thing any democrat wants is to give more leverage to a President who by virtually all KPI is doing very well. Especially when thousands of jobs depend on this and this president is continues to deliver growth. At Peak production around 2022, the price per unit will be at it's lowest and having a cut at that point is pretty much unjustified. The 6th gen aircraft program which is at it's infant stages in planning won't be ready for any serious testing etc. for another 12-15 years so no chance that's happening. There is no planned reduction in the size of the US military. So, while you seem to think such a purchase or cancellation is based on the product's qualities, this is seldom the reality. This is a political deal before anything else and such a massive decision has the potential to shake the pillars of power.

Funny that it took an idiot to bring the US economy to the best state yet with 4.2% GDP last Quarter and consistently over 3% average over the last year, 4 million new jobs since election and 500K jobs in manufacturing (unheard of). Unemployment is at historic lows across the board. The trade deficit has dropped over 50 billion. Tax cuts resulted in over half trillion in offshore profits being poured in. The average middle class family has more tax cuts, corporate tax is down to 20%, consumer confidence is at it's highest, there is rush of new businesses. The same idiot also has got the pretty much every trading block's ball's in a vice grip. Junker had to run WH to negotiate, China is shitting bricks, NATO partners have already begun increased defense spending. Israel is closer than ever.

The democrats don't have anybody who can really challenge him, they ran out of ideas/policy arguments and basically are a rebel/ resistance party. A second term is virtually certain and don't be surprised if a red wave (because of open lunacy being demonstrated by the Left) keep the republicans in power in congress and senate in a greater majority.

By the way in comparison what are the accomplishments of the globalist poster boy 'Macron'?

Funnily, most major Paris climate accord signatories including EU, China, India and many toehr continue to add millions of tons of CO2 while US has been dropping emissions at good rate. Proves that he was wise to get out a BS deal.

http://www.aei.org/publication/char...sions-in-the-world-for-9th-time-this-century/
 

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F-35 Lightning fighter jet makes emergency landing in Fresno
by FOX26 News

Tuesday, September 25th 2018


F-35 Lightning fighter jet makes emergency landing in Fresno (FOX26)



FRESNO, Calif. (FOX26) — An F-35 Lightning fighter jet landed at Fresno Yosemite International airport today after declaring an engine emergency.

Two of the F-35's were flying together when the emergency happened.

The plane landed safely with the second plane covering overhead and then also landed.

Fresno airport was the closest secure airport with a military base to park the plane.

The plane was taken to The 144th Fighter Wing where it will be worked on.

FOX26 confirmed the F-35's are from Naval Air Station Lemoore.

https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/loc...fighter-jet-makes-emergency-landing-in-fresno
 

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The good news is, both pilot and plane are safe.

There are roughly 150 F-35s manufactured till date; only one serious accident (please correct me if I'm wrong).

I wonder how many flights hours are clocked by F-35s till date!? Please share if there is any info
 

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The good news is, both pilot and plane are safe.

There are roughly 150 F-35s manufactured till date; only one serious accident (please correct me if I'm wrong).

I wonder how many flights hours are clocked by F-35s till date!? Please share if there is any info
Another F35 was destroyed by an engine fire.
 

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So meanwhile the production of the F-35 continues and the commitment is still to buy over 2400, nothing has changed as per US plans.
The same was said about the F22....
2400. You really see US forces with 2400 of these flying bricks? Never. They just commited to this number waiting for a replacement plane.
 

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F-35 has completed more than 100,000 hours from comprehensive tests without crashes or fatalities. The F-35 program only lost a single F-35B (that caught an engine fire on the tarmac) in its entire testing program.
 

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In the meantime the Israelis have already employed their F-35As in combat over Syria and perhaps over Iran while the USMC has already flown its F-35Bs over the Horn of Africa on surveilance missions. The USMC is said to be on the verge of using F-35Bs for combat mission over Afghanistan.
 

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In the meantime the Dutch are planning of increasing their F-35 order by up to 50 units more.
 

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