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China-US trade war: More pain to come for China

No trade war impact - yet

"There's been no discernible impact on end demand that we've seen yet from our industry contacts," Vinesh Motwani of Silk Road Research told me, after a recent trip back from Beijing and Shanghai.

He spends a lot of time on the mainland, talking to medium-sized Chinese owned businesses about their outlook.

"In fact, if anything we're seeing some companies benefit from a short term tailwind as a result of the trade war. That's because American customers were trying to buy as much as they can from China before the tariffs kicked in."

Still, this may just be a blip on the radar because longer term, as Mr Motwani points out, the outlook is grim.

"Unanimously, what businesses there are worried about is the uncertainty of the trade war. If there was no trade war, Chinese companies would be far more optimistic about 2019."


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45898619
 

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Now what's going to happen to the billions of dollars the Chinese have already sunk into the incomplete projects around the world like the OBOR etc? Short of money, they will flounder. The Chinese Central Bank will be in a bind. Lending more money to companies for completing these projects will challenging.
 

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European and Asian Nations Join U.S.’s Economic Pushback Against China
Free-market countries align to counter Beijing’s state-backed capitalism, particularly its Belt-and-Road Initiative

Leaders at the Asia-Europe Meeting issued a statement that indirectly endorsed policies counter to Chinese investment practices. PHOTO: POOL FREDERIC SIERAKOWSKI/ZUMA PRESS

Emre Peker in Brussels and

James T. Areddy in Shanghai

Oct. 19, 2018 12:29 p.m. ET
The U.S. campaign to counter China’s efforts to project its economic clout got a boost from European and Asian countries, which also want to capitalize on Washington’s fight with Beijing.

The 28-member European Union, Norway, Switzerland and 21 Asian countries—including China—pledged to uphold market principles and international standards
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-s-economic-pushback-against-china-1539966572

So all countries are ganging up against China... That's indeed good news..:biggrin2:
 
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Managers at a Chinese firm have been jailed for making staff who failed to reach sales targets drink urine and eat cockroaches, local media report.

Police took action after videos emerged showing workers being whipped with a belt and drinking a yellow liquid.

Social media posts alleged staff were also told to eat cockroaches if they did not meet targets.

Three managers were jailed for five and 10 days over the incident, the South China Morning Post reports.

A widely-shared video posted on Chinese social media site Weibo shows a male employee standing in the middle of a circle, getting whipped with a belt.

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Image captionThe video quickly went viral on Weibo

Other staff, said to be employees of the home renovation company in the city of Guizhou, can be seen drinking yellow liquid from plastic cups while holding their noses.

Screenshots of what were said to be messages from the managers threaten staff that they will have to eat cockroaches for poor performances.

According to media reports, other forms of shaming and punishment at the firm have included drinking toilet water or vinegar and getting their head shaved.

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Image captionSocial media post said the yellow liquid was urine
The company had reportedly failed to pay their employees' salary for the past two months and staff was scared to speak up fearing they would lose the pay if they'd quit.

Police in Zunyi county police arrested three managers and they were later sentenced to jail time.

It's the latest in a string of cases of Chinese firms employing unusual measures to punish, shame or encourage their staff.

Previous reports have alleged cases of employees slapping each other at a company event to boost motivation, and staff forced to crawl on a public road or kiss rubbish bins as a punishment or for team building.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-46120627

@nimo_cn @rockdog @no smoking and all Chinamen comments please before your emperor 11 jumping pig aka Winnie the pooh makes you drink urine and coackroches and kiss his ass is rubbish bin....:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

@sayareakd @Indx TechStyle @binayak95 @Project Dharma all
 

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Chinese staff forced to drink urine and eat roaches
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Image captionIf you miss your sales target, bon appétit
Managers at a Chinese firm have been jailed for making staff who failed to reach sales targets drink urine and eat cockroaches, local media report.

Police took action after videos emerged showing workers being whipped with a belt and drinking a yellow liquid.

Social media posts alleged staff were also told to eat cockroaches if they did not meet targets.

Three managers were jailed for five and 10 days over the incident, the South China Morning Post reports.

A widely-shared video posted on Chinese social media site Weibo shows a male employee standing in the middle of a circle, getting whipped with a belt.

Image copyrightPEARVIDEO.COM

Image captionThe video quickly went viral on Weibo

Other staff, said to be employees of the home renovation company in the city of Guizhou, can be seen drinking yellow liquid from plastic cups while holding their noses.

Screenshots of what were said to be messages from the managers threaten staff that they will have to eat cockroaches for poor performances.

According to media reports, other forms of shaming and punishment at the firm have included drinking toilet water or vinegar and getting their head shaved.

Image copyrightPEARVIDEO.COM

Image captionSocial media post said the yellow liquid was urine
The company had reportedly failed to pay their employees' salary for the past two months and staff was scared to speak up fearing they would lose the pay if they'd quit.

Police in Zunyi county police arrested three managers and they were later sentenced to jail time.

It's the latest in a string of cases of Chinese firms employing unusual measures to punish, shame or encourage their staff.

Previous reports have alleged cases of employees slapping each other at a company event to boost motivation, and staff forced to crawl on a public road or kiss rubbish bins as a punishment or for team building.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-46120627

@nimo_cn @rockdog @no smoking and all Chinamen comments please before your emperor 11 jumping pig aka Winnie the pooh makes you drink urine and coackroches and kiss his ass is rubbish bin....:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

@sayareakd @Indx TechStyle @binayak95 @Project Dharma all
Why would uncle Xi do that to me? I am a law-abiding citizen who works hard and pays taxes.
 

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"Old, indebted economies don't grow,"


https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/09/economy/china-economy-risks/index.html

Some excerpts:

“China's problems are chronic, not acute," said Derek Scissors, a China expert at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based think tank.

In his view, the major issues, such as China's rapidly aging population and uncompetitive business environment, are being largely ignored.

The Chinese government has relaxed its decades-old one-child policy and tried to increase competition with plans to give foreign companies greater access in areas like banking and automobiles.

But those moves have come too late or don't go far enough, raising serious concerns about China's long-term economic future, according to Scissors.

"Old, indebted economies don't grow," he said





 

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In China, Desperate Patients Smuggle Drugs. Or Make Their Own.
Despite health insurance, terminally ill patients have to hunt around the world and on the internet for ways to stay alive.

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A rural resident in China is 30 percent more likely to die after a cancer diagnosis than an urban resident. Three rural families trying to beat these odds — “cancer refugees” — share their stories of battling the disease far from home and the financial ruin it causes.Published OnNov. 11, 2018

By Sui-Lee Wee

  • Nov. 11, 2018
JINZHOU, China — Zhang Zhejun used a fat plastic straw to gently tap the pale yellow pharmaceutical powder onto a piece of silver foil that lay on an electronic scale. He made sure the amount was just right before he poured it into a clear capsule.

When you’re making cancer drugs at home, the measurements must be precise.

Mr. Zhang has no medical experience and no background in making drugs professionally. He did this out of desperation. His mother suffered from lung cancer and required expensive drugs that China’s ambitious but troubled health care system couldn’t provide.

He was aware of the risks. The drug he was making hadn’t been approved by regulators in China or the United States. Mr. Zhang had bought the raw ingredients online, but he wasn’t sure from whom, or whether they were even real.

“We’re not picky. We don’t have the right to choose,” he said. “You just hope the sellers have a conscience.”

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Zhang Zhejun, a salesmen in Hebei, China, made his own drugs from ingredients purchased online to give to his mother, who suffered from lung cancer.CreditJonah M. Kessel
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“I was pretty helpless and lost when I found the ‘do-it-yourself’ drugs on a form online,” Mr. Zhang said. “It doesn’t require professional skills to make these drugs. It’s pretty easy.” His mother died months after this image was recorded.CreditJonah M. Kessel
It’s a desperation born out of necessity. China’s aging population is increasingly stricken with deadly diseases like cancer and diabetes, but many can’t find or afford drugs.

The country’s rudimentary insurance system doesn’t begin to cover the ever-rising prices of treatments and drugs. Coverage also depends on where somebody lives, and some rural residents still lack access to certain drugs.

Despite a costly new safety net from the government, illness remains the leading reason Chinese families fall below the poverty line, according to official figures.

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Many of China’s problems are self-inflicted. Major bureaucratic hurdles keep lifesaving drugs out of the reach of millions who need them. Drug approvals, while accelerating, remain dauntingly backlogged. Until October last year, pharmaceuticals approved in the United States and Europe had to go through an extensive vetting process in China. Even now, foreign-made drugs have to clear another hurdle before insurance companies will pay for them.

To stay alive, many sick people in China — and the people who love them — break the law. Online marketplaces are filled with illegal pharmaceuticals. Dealers run underground pharmacies. In some cases, cancer patients and their families make the drugs themselves, finding the ingredients and the instructions online.

China’s challenges are playing out globally. Many of the same problems have pit world leaders, including President Trump, against big pharmaceutical companies. The companies complain about regulatory hurdles and approval delays. High drug prices have roiled trade talks.

Read and watch more about how China’s health care system is failing patients.
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Lower prices send Americans to Canada and Mexico looking for the medicines they need. Patients from Russia to Britain desperately hunt for drugs through online “buyers’ clubs” — networks that scour the world for cheaper generic medicines.

In China, the public has become increasingly concerned about access to drugs, putting pressure on the leadership. This summer’s box-office hit “Dying to Survive” was based on the real-life story of a Chinese leukemia patient who ran a buyers’ club, smuggling generic drugs from India to save himself and others. It was almost universally lauded for shedding light on the difficulties of getting cancer drugs in China.

The movie’s popularity prompted Premier Li Keqiang to call for speeding up price cuts for the medication. China’s growing affluence has led to greater expectations among its people. The Communist Party’s grip on power depends heavily on providing improved opportunities for the public, including better health care.

“I don’t know whether they can do that,” said Zhou Jun, the executive director of the U.S.-China Healthcare Cooperation Program in Beijing, a group that fosters closer working relations between the countries. “It’s going to be a challenge.” (Mr. Zhou died of cancer several months after speaking to The New York Times.)

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“What is the difference between going to jail and being sick? There is no freedom,” said Hong Ruping, a Chinese dialysis patient who illegally imports generic drugs from India for himself and others.CreditGilles Sabrié for The New York Times
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Last year, police raided Hong Ruping’s modest apartment in southwestern China. Under a television, they found what they were looking for: medicine to treat chronic kidney disease.

Mr. Hong, who is unemployed and has kidney dialysis three times a week, explained that the drugs — cheap knockoffs of Western pharmaceuticals from India — were for him.

The officers seized the drugs, warning that they were not approved by the country’s regulators. Then, the officers let him go.

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After the raid, Mr. Hong continued to receive drugs in monthly packages — and they weren’t all for him. Mr. Hong is known in China as a drug “daigou,” or “purchasing agent,” who procures pharmaceuticals through dubious means for people who can’t afford them or don’t have access to them.

While many Chinese use daigou to buy South Korean facial masks made of snail slime and edible birds’ nests, or infant formula from Australia, others rely on people like Mr. Hong to stay alive.

“I have this disease, and if they want to convict me, there’s nothing I can do,” Mr. Hong said. “What is the difference between going to jail and being sick? There is no freedom.”

While China has achieved near-universal health insurance, the coverage is shallow. Patients must pay about 30 percent of costs out of pocket, compared with an average of about 10 percent in the United States. Many drugs aren’t covered.

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The paltry coverage exposes hundreds of millions of Chinese to sharply rising costs. In the first three quarters of last year, China’s health care expenditure per capita rose 13.2 percent, compared with a 9.1 percent increase in disposable income per capita, according to government data.

That leads many Chinese to smuggling, especially from India, where prices of many drugs are capped. In China, the drug that Mr. Hong needed cost just over $4,200 a year, 10 times the price in India.

Some health experts are torn about encouraging the use of drugs that aren’t approved. “I find it hard to give a one-size-fits-all view on whether they should or shouldn’t do it,” said Gordon Liu, the director of Peking University’s China Center for Health Economic Research and an adviser to the government.

“Some generics from India are likely to offer newer treatments than the existing medicines in the mainland,” Mr. Liu said. He added: “You’re acquiring drugs through informal channels. Not only are you taking on economic risks, but also the uncertainty of the technology.”

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Dr. Shen Lin, director of digestive oncology at the Peking University Cancer Hospital, said several of her patients on long-term medication couldn’t afford the drugs anymore, and had asked whether they could use generics from India. She has tried to dissuade them, saying she couldn’t vouch for drugs from unofficial sources.

Still, she said, “if they continue on their path, they would go bankrupt.”

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“Everyone wants to take Indian-made drugs. They just don’t know how to get hold of them,” Mr. Hong said. “First, they are cheap, and second, they are effective.”CreditGilles Sabrié for The New York Times
Making the List
To survive, many Chinese need foreign-made drugs. But they can be costly, when they are available at all.

First, drugs need to be approved. From 2001 to 2016, China approved just over 100 new drugs, about one-third the number in developed countries, according to the China Food and Drug Administration. Drugs could take six to seven years to get the green light, turning cancer for many into a death sentence.

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Late last year, the Chinese authorities said they would begin allowing drug companies to submit data from foreign clinical trials, along with other steps to speed up reviews. Approval times have dropped to two to three years. China has thinned its backlog of new drugs waiting for approval to 4,000 from 22,000 in 2017. The government is also pushing to develop more innovative, less costly pharmaceuticals to combat life-threatening diseases.

Still, the agency remains short staffed. China had roughly 600 reviewers at the end of 2016, compared with thousands in the United States.

Once approved, the drugs have to qualify for coverage under one of China’s insurance plans. That means earning a spot on the National Reimbursement Drug List — and that can take years. Beijing added 36 drugs to the list in 2017 and 17 this year. The last update was in 2009.

When the drugs do arrive, many Chinese patients, like Yao Xianghua, can’t afford them, even if they have government coverage.

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A petite former elementary school teacher with blunt bangs, Ms. Yao had lung cancer that didn’t respond to surgery or a form of treatment called biotherapy. She was 68 in 2011, when the cancer was first diagnosed, and she felt she was too old to undergo chemotherapy and radiation.

“I give up,” she told her son, Zhang Zhejun. “I’m resigned to my fate.”

Her doctor prescribed Iressa, a drug made by AstraZeneca that keeps cancer cells from multiplying. The drug had been added to the reimbursement drug list after AstraZeneca agreed to halve the price to just under $1,000 a month.

It was still too expensive. Ms. Yao was covered by China’s “rural cooperative medical scheme,” which provides only modest benefits compared with the insurance for urban residents. She received a monthly pension of $460. Her son said the rural scheme at that time did not pay for imported drugs.

Mr. Zhang vowed to save her. He quit a decent-paying job and moved in with his parents in a barely furnished apartment in Jinzhou, a largely industrial and heavily polluted city.

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Mr. Zhang discovered that India made a cheaper, generic version of Iressa. It worked for a while. But Ms. Yao developed a resistance to it after about nine months. Mr. Zhang needed alternatives.

He went online.

Do-It-Yourself Drugs
China in recent years has become the world’s largest home of internet users. Many Chinese now shop almost exclusively in internet bazaars that offer everything from groceries and hot meals to jewelry and cars.

They can also buy pharmaceuticals — even the raw ingredients to illegally make drugs themselves.

Many start on forums devoted to patients and their loved ones when they can’t get answers anymore. The two most popular are “I Want Miracles,” which is dedicated to helping people with lung cancer, and “Dances With Cancer.” The forums combined have just over 440,000 members.

“This is the current state of health care in China,” said Chen Yun, who runs “I Want Miracles.” “Every doctor is just too busy, and there’s no way that they can explain many things to you clearly. But if you want to figure it out, you just have to learn by yourself.”

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In many ways, they resemble medical websites in other countries. Then there are the posts on how to make drugs yourself. They direct at-home drugmakers to buy the ingredients online, on marketplaces run by Alibaba Group, the e-commerce giant, and elsewhere. Dozens of suppliers offer free samples and promise fast delivery.

“Our products’ quality better than the standard quality in the market,” advertised Xian Health Biochem Technology, which was selling the ingredients for vandetanib, a cancer drug.

Sellers mail the ingredients out in envelopes or, for those with bigger orders, in drums.

Alibaba abides by local laws and has “rules and systems in place” that help it identify listings that infringe on its policies, a spokeswoman said in an email.

Desperate to help his mother, Mr. Zhang did a basic search: “What to do after patient develops drug resistance on Iressa?” He happened upon “Dances With Cancer” and an active participant and a longtime cancer patient called “Bean Spirit,” who wrote a manual on how to make drugs at home.

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Mr. Zhang, who previously worked at a pharmaceutical factory but was not involved in making drugs, started on his own version. He bought the ingredients for AstraZeneca’s Tagrisso, a lung cancer drug. He spent just over $150 for a month’s worth of ingredients, plastic capsules and an electronic scale.

“The raw ingredients are worth more than the price of gold,” he said.

When the drugs stopped working for his mother, Mr. Zhang began making others. He started having sleepless nights, worried that he would not be able to find the ingredients each time a drug stopped working.

“You don’t know whether the thing that’s ahead of you is a pit or a road,” he said, wiping tears off his face. “But you must go forward. You can’t stop.”

In July 2017, Mr. Zhang started making WZ4002, yet another drug. It was discovered in 2005 by the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston but has not been approved by regulators in the United States or China.

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His mother told Mr. Zhang that it caused dizzy spells. Earlier, she had come down with a severe bout of diarrhea after taking one of the homemade drugs and had to be hospitalized for a month.

Both mother and son shrugged off any side effects.

“How do you feel after taking the new medicine?” Mr. Zhang asked his mother.

“Well, I think it feels a little bit less painful now,” Ms. Yao said.

“Less painful?” he asked.

“Remember, I told you that sometimes this part and this and this part hurt,” she told him. “Now these parts are less painful.”

Ms. Yao died in October 2017, two years after Mr. Zhang started making drugs for her. The cause of death was gastrointestinal bleeding and acute bronchitis. Mr. Zhang said it was unclear whether the drugs that he had made were the cause.

Research was contributed by Zhang Tiantian, Tang Yucheng, Zoe Mou and Elsie Chen.


Sui-Lee Wee has been a correspondent for The New York Times in the Beijing bureau since October 2016. She covers business in China, Chinese consumers, health care and the intersection of demographics and the economy. @suilee
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Apparently there is consensus among democrats and republicans In Washington that China is problem and needs to be dealt with...

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In Washington right now – despite all the other chaos - on China there is startling lucidity, common purpose, and bipartisan accord #SCF20

 

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Wow! What a turnaround! Till early this year China was the talk of the town as an economic superpower etc etc, and its aggressive posturing in the SCS sent shivers down the spines of the littoral states. Now they seem to be heading towards the boondocks.

Oh well, it does seem it is a house of cards after all.
 

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Wow! What a turnaround! Till early this year China was the talk of the town as an economic superpower etc etc, and its aggressive posturing in the SCS sent shivers down the spines of the littoral states. Now they seem to be heading towards the boondocks.

Oh well, it does seem it is a house of cards after all.
if hillary had won, we wouldn't be seeing this day...
anti-china narrative has just re-started, by this time next we will know how serious are they.
 

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Wow! What a turnaround! Till early this year China was the talk of the town as an economic superpower etc etc, and its aggressive posturing in the SCS sent shivers down the spines of the littoral states. Now they seem to be heading towards the boondocks.

Oh well, it does seem it is a house of cards after all.
China is one day an "economic superpower", another day a "dictatorial human rights disaster".

Saudi Arabia one day is "our most reliable partner in the Middle East", another day a "centre for terrorist Wahhabi ideology".

India today is "the world's largest democracy bringing millions our of poverty", yesterday it was "a brahminical state that oppresses the lower castes".

It all depends on what the US State Department wants to extract from you on any given day, and how they can use you to serve their own purpose. The US is the most two-faced country in the world, manipulating other countries through muscle and money.

Between US negative propaganda and the CCP's own positive propaganda, it's so hard to find out exactly what's happening in China. I trust the NYT as much as I trust Xi Jinping's Press Releases.
 

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China is one day an "economic superpower", another day a "dictatorial human rights disaster".

Saudi Arabia one day is "our most reliable partner in the Middle East", another day a "centre for terrorist Wahhabi ideology".

India today is "the world's largest democracy bringing millions our of poverty", yesterday it was "a brahminical state that oppresses the lower castes".

It all depends on what the US State Department wants to extract from you on any given day, and how they can use you to serve their own purpose. The US is the most two-faced country in the world, manipulating other countries through muscle and money.

Between US negative propaganda and the CCP's own positive propaganda, it's so hard to find out exactly what's happening in China. I trust the NYT as much as I trust Xi Jinping's Press Releases.
Accurate.

For the past 6 months, Trump has been barking about anti-China sanctions, but their media downplayed the impact of Chinese retaliation on the US economy, which led to Trump seeking a truce last week. Just shows how the US operates. It makes loud threats first, to bluff its way and see how much extra they can squeeze. If the adversary refuses to budge, then it tempers down its rhetoric. It's never a President's policy. It's a calculated move by the deep state. If it goes wrong, they say "well, don't blame us, our President was an idiot". They did that with Bush vis-a-vis the Afghanistan invasion. They plan to do the same with Trump.

The US-China economy is so deeply conjoined at the hips that one cannot attack the other without committing suicide. So they are in the final stages of sizing each other up with all the huffing and puffing before they will settle for an ad hoc trade deal outside of the WTO that recognizes their "special responsibility as the world's biggest economies".

 
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I don't quite understand, if Americans think HUAWEI violates it's laws, ban HUAWEI just like it did to ZTE, why arrest the daughter of Ren zhengfei, the founder of HUAWEI. Or it's because Americans understand banning HUAWEI won't work this time, so they choose to blackmail Ren zhengfei.
This is just a negotiation tactic. These things will continue until Americans feel their terms are accepted.


Truth does not matter..
 

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I don't quite understand, if Americans think HUAWEI violates it's laws, ban HUAWEI just like it did to ZTE, why arrest the daughter of Ren zhengfei, the founder of HUAWEI. Or it's because Americans understand banning HUAWEI won't work this time, so they choose to blackmail Ren zhengfei.
Because Trump has learnt from commie thugs like you. Like Xi he is a bully. When iron strikes iron, sparks shower!
 

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It is fascinating to note of the increased and large amount of urbanization in PRC.

Another fascinating note is to see the direct elections of bodies that include village elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China

moving from this is that residents of buildings and "smart cities" and "gated communities".

there has been news on economic turmoil. i am most fascinated to read about representative voices of residential buildings and urban infrastructure. "village elections" -> "residential elections". do people living in residential buildings and houses vote to elect a management committee and association and body to manage their affairs.

from a simple question on common maintenance to voice an opinion on the roads and major disturbances.

the villages get a smell of democracy. urban infrastructure.

after the above it is most fascinating to note the reconciliation of disputes based on reasonableness.

how leaders and people of opinion and representativeness are positioned into such.

some of the residential complexes in PRC are massive. a person representing such? a person combining with an another from nearby. from another city. from another village.

economic? how about a clash of simple ... administration?

size ?

mind moves with the residents and how they vote. village -> houses -> building -> shanghai free trade zone -> islands in sea -> ports in different areas -> hong kong special administration region --> taiwan -> PRC

the pragmatic chinese are lovely to talk with. wish can see more and hear more from them.
 

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