China cautions India on troop build-up near border

[geoatpenn]

seriously.. do we even care about what the chinese have to say?? its indian territory.. its the indian army and its our planes.. we will move what, where and whenever we feel like it.

 

[badguy2000]

I'll look into it and get back to you.



Arunachal Pradesh was definitely part of British India and was inhabited for at least a thousand years before WWII. Aksai Chin was uninhabited but was within the border of British India, and was not ever claimed by Tibetian or Chinese people. Yet, China built a road through it in the early 1950s. That road is extremely vital to your security installations because it's the only one that connects Xinjiang to Tibet.

AP was inhabited by some uncivilized tribes ,who were neither ruled by Chinese nor ruled by Indian, before WW II ended.


In fact, both India and CHina had no sodilated proofs that can prove either could rule AP effectively before WW II>

So China basically started this dispute by constructing a road through Indian territory and then claiming even more territory in AP. So it's up to your govt to make concessions for peace, not India.

case is very simple.

after WW II ended, we china took Aksai CHin and you India took AP .

of course India also immorally took Tawang, the definite historical part of Tibet as well as most of AP.

 

[MMuthu]

Tawang is historically a part of Tibet.... I am not sure whether it is true or false...

Let it be true.... that does not mean we need to give back that to China..... You immorally took Tibet from those people... See the film called 'Seven Years in Tibet'(It is a true story of a Austrian.... An Austrian does not need to lie about Tibet) it shows how the chinese had used power on a peaceful and a humble country......

Dare do the samething with Russia or India now....

 

[Daredevil]

Historically, half of China was under the rule of Ghengis Khan, so with the same line of thinking that China is showing now, one could say, half of the China should be with Mongolia.

 

[badguy2000]

Tawang is historically a part of Tibet.... I am not sure whether it is true or false...

Let it be true.... that does not mean we need to give back that to China..... You immorally took Tibet from those people... See the film called 'Seven Years in Tibet'(It is a true story of a Austrian.... An Austrian does not need to lie about Tibet) it shows how the chinese had used power on a peaceful and a humble country......

Dare do the samething with Russia or India now....

well, it is a story from the perspective from west guys.

PRC forbids the film, but I have still seen the film downloaded from internet.

film is not bad,but the director and the writer of novel simplified the relation between Beijing and Lahsa too much.

the film itself also idealized Tibet ruled by Dalai, a backward premodern society where slavery was prevail .


as we know, west people living in urbanized concrete forests always tend to idealize the life-style in pre-industrilized society.

such a idealization is exaggerated extremely ,when west people talk about Tibet.

 

[badguy2000]

Historically, half of China was under the rule of Ghengis Khan, so with the same line of thinking that China is showing now, one could say, half of the China should be with Mongolia.

aha, if mongolia would like , i don't mind the mergence of CHina and mongolia.
:blum3:

 

[Daredevil]

aha, if mongolia would like , i don't mind the mergence of CHina and mongolia.

And the country's name would be Mongolia :blum3:

 

[Antimony]

well, today, the power balance is much more benefical to China than it was in 1962.

with the expanding national compound power as the base,, CHina's postion in the negotication would go on being improved.

the pressure on India would be heavier and heavier.

Given the nature of the terrain, you "power balance" isn't worth used tissue paper. And that goes for both sides, by the way.

And oh by the way, your strongest forces face the east and north

AP was inhabited by some uncivilized tribes ,who were neither ruled by Chinese nor ruled by Indian, before WW II ended.

That tells me a lot about you

 

[badguy2000]

And the country's name would be Mongolia :blum3:

who care?

machus did so 300+ years ago.

but only it took only one generation that the whole manchus became completely sinicized . and today, manchus are more sinicized than Han-Chinese.

 

[F-14]

so much for Hans how were running like scared cats on the sight of the Mongols

 

[mehwish92]

<India's china war>(India's China War,London:Jonathan Cape Ltd.,1970)

both Aksai Chin or most of AP were unmanned vacuum . they were neither part of China nor part of India before WW II ended.

since India now sticks to Aksai chin controlled by China, why can't China stick to AP controlled by India?

it is a game of bargaining.:blum3:

if unilateral retreatment can not be accepted to indian, so is to CHinese.

Kashmir (including Aksai Chin) was acceded to India in 1947-1948. It was Indian territory illegally sold to China by the Pakistanis (as far as i can remember). Thus Aksai Chin can be classified as Indian territory being controlled illegally by the Chinese.

Arunachal pradesh, however, has been a part of India (atleast British India) for several centuries. History doesn't matter in this case. Because if historically Arunachal Pradesh was a part of Tibet, well then Southern Afghanistan & Pakistan & Bangladesh were also a part of India at one time..

Besides, China's claim on Tibet was illegal to begin with..

And by the way, your claim that the world will side with China in terms of the AP dispute because China has more say internationally is not correct. If that was true, then India would have gotten Pakistan-occupied Kashmir long ago.

Because last I remembered, India has much more say than Pakistan does. Plus it has a better reputation.

 

[SinghIsKing]

Since when did we need to worry about what china has to say. if india thinks they need more troops there. Then INDIA should deploy more troops there.

 

[badguy2000]

K

Kashmir (including Aksai Chin) was acceded to India in 1947-1948. It was Indian territory illegally sold to China by the Pakistanis (as far as i can remember). Thus Aksai Chin can be classified as Indian territory being controlled illegally by the Chinese.

Arunachal pradesh, however, has been a part of India (atleast British India) for several centuries. History doesn't matter in this case. Because if historically Arunachal Pradesh was a part of Tibet, well then Southern Afghanistan & Pakistan & Bangladesh were also a part of India at one time..

Besides, China's claim on Tibet was illegal to begin with..

And by the way, your claim that the world will side with China in terms of the AP dispute because China has more say internationally is not correct. If that was true, then India would have gotten Pakistan-occupied Kashmir long ago.

Because last I remembered, India has much more say than Pakistan does. Plus it has a better reputation.

1. AKsai China and Ladakh:

Both Akasai chin and Ladakh were ruled by Lhasa before mid 19th century and most people in Ladakh were/are Tibetan people and believed/believe in Tibetan Buddhism.
However in 1840s, the lord of Kashmir invaded Tibet and occupied Ladakh . Lhasa appealed it to Beijing while Manchus emperor in Beijing had no spare energy to deal with it, because Chinese empire had more urgent affairs to do with. Without the suuport from Beijing, Lhasa had to cede the Ladakh to the lord of Kashmir.
that was how "the lord of Kashmir" became " the lord of Kashmir and Ladakh"

However, the fire-ceasing treaty didn't tell which side Akasai Chin should belong to ,which was the unmanned vacuum between Ladakh and the mainbody of Tibet,because neither was interested in such a unmanned useless land.

In later 19th century, a british low-rank official called Johnson felt that British India should have a boundary line between its "Kashimir/Ladakh" and Tibet. So he unilaterally drew a loose line on map without any negotiatin and permission with Beijing and Lhasa.

the unilateral boundary-line drawn by Johnson is called " Johnson line" and is now the boundary you Indian stick to .

all those were found in the book ,"India's China war"

 

[badguy2000]

Arunachal pradesh, however, has been a part of India (atleast British India) for several centuries. History doesn't matter in this case. Because if historically Arunachal Pradesh was a part of Tibet, well then Southern Afghanistan & Pakistan & Bangladesh were also a part of India at one time..

what you said is purely fictional .

British India had no clear northeast boundary and a area now Called AP separated British India and CHinese Tibet,which was full of uncivilized tribes.

To effectively reinforce management of boundary in north east British India, Britishmen once felt it necessary to draw a clear north-east boundary .

the first clear line unilaterally drawn on map by Britishmen is the north boundary of Assam today,because Britishmen could not control the area to the north and felt the tribe land to the north(AP) was useless land.

However in 1904-1911, CHinese government in Beijing decided to reform the political system in Tibet and set up province in Tibet. So Beijing started to sent small troops into AP and tried to absorb AP into Chinese empire.

Britishmen were wary of Chinese activity in AP and tried to push the northeast boundary as far as possible.

However in 1911, revolution broke out in CHina and all Chinese troops/officials in Tibet retreated . TIbet got actual independence while not acknowldged by CHina and any foreign country.
Then,trilateral meeting on India's northeast boundary was raised in Simula in 1914..then M-line was raised while not acknowledged by Beijing.....

Besides, China's claim on Tibet was illegal to begin with..

that is why Chinese think India should not be trusted....

 

[badguy2000]

well, BTW, I find a interesting list about electriccity consumption.

China's electricity consuption is almost equal to EU and nearly 5 times more than India's.

Furthermore ,it is reported that CHina has finished much more powerhouses than India.

so the gap is being widened.

As for industrialization, India has a long way to catch up with CHIna.
----------------------------------------------------------
List of countries by electricity consumptionhttp://www.ccthere.com/thread/2245298

1 United States 3,816,000,000 2005
2 People's Republic of China 2,859,000,000 2006
— European Union[4] 2,820,000,000 2004http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2245298
3 Russia 985,200,000 2007
4 Japan 974,200,000 2005
...
7 India 488,500,000 2005

 

[Rage]

K

1. AKsai China and Ladakh:

Both Akasai chin and Ladakh were ruled by Lhasa before mid 19th century and most people in Ladakh were/are Tibetan people and believed/believe in Tibetan Buddhism.
However in 1840s, the lord of Kashmir invaded Tibet and occupied Ladakh . Lhasa appealed it to Beijing while Manchus emperor in Beijing had no spare energy to deal with it, because Chinese empire had more urgent affairs to do with. Without the suuport from Beijing, Lhasa had to cede the Ladakh to the lord of Kashmir.
that was how "the lord of Kashmir" became " the lord of Kashmir and Ladakh"

However, the fire-ceasing treaty didn't tell which side Akasai China should belong to ,which was the unmanned vacuum between Ladakh and the mainbody of Tibet,because neither was interested in such a unmanned useless land.

In later 19th century, a british low-rank official called Johnson felt that British India should have a boundary line between its "Kashimir/Ladakh" and Tibet. So he unilaterally drew a loose line on map without any negotiatin and permission with Beijing and Lhasa.

the unilateral boundary-line drawn by Johnson is called " Johnson line" and is now the boundary you Indian stick to .

all those were found in the book ,"India's China war"

Bear in mind that the Tibetan people neither recognize the suzerainty nor preponderance of your repressive state. If you want to embark on a historical voyage, let us go all the way, shall we?

Ladakh's earliest inhabitants consisted of a mixed Indo-Aryan population of Mons and Dards, who find mention in the works of Herodotus, Nearchus, Megasthenes, Pliny, Ptolemy, and the geographical lists of the Puranas, a group of important Indian Hindu religious texts onsisting of narratives of the history of the Universe from creation to destruction, genealogies of the kings, heroes, sages, and descriptions of Hindu cosmology, philosophy, and geography. Around the 1st century, Ladakh was a part of the Kushana empire of Ancient India originally formed in Bactria, on either side of the middle course of the Oxus River. Buddhism spread into western Ladakh from Kashmir (into whence it spread from Nepal or India) and became the predominant religion of Tibet which at the time was still practicing Bon'ism.

During the 8th century, Ladakh was involved in the clash between Tibetan expansion pressing from the East and Chinese influence exerted from Central Asia through the passes. Suzerainty over Ladakh frequently changed hands between China and Tibet. In 842 Nyima-Gon, a Tibetan royal representative annexed Ladakh for himself after the break-up of the Tibetan empire, and founded a separate Ladakh dynasty. During this period Ladakh acquired a predominantly Tibetan population. The dynasty spearheaded the "Second Spreading of Buddhism" importing religious ideas from what is now north-west India, particularly from Kashmir.

In the 13th century, faced with the Islamic conquest of South Asia, Ladakh chose to seek and accept guidance in religious matters from Tibet (not China, which at the time was conquered by the Mongols) and for nearly two centuries until the 1600's repelled invasions from neighbouring Muslim states, even as there was partial conversion of Ladakhis to Islam.

King Bhagan reunited and strengthened Ladakh and founded the Namgyal dynasty of the Basgo lineage, an ethnic Indian people, which survives even today. The Namgyals repelled most Central Asian raiders and temporarily extended the kingdom as far as Nepal. In the early 17th century efforts were made to restore destroyed artifacts and gompas, and the kingdom expanded into Zanskar and Spiti in present day Him'aachal Pradesh in India. Ladakh was, however defeated by the Mughals, who had already annexed Kashmir and Baltistan, but it continued to retained its independence.

In 1834, the Dogras, an Indo-Aryan, mostly Hindu peoples settled in Jammu, Punjab and Him'aachal Pradesh- who even have a cognominal regiment in the Indian Army, under Zorawar Singh, a general of Ranjit Singh, invaded and annexed Ladakh. A Ladakhi rebellion in 1842 was crushed and Ladakh was incorporated into the Dogra state of Jammu and Kashmir. The Namgyal family was given the jagir (territory) of Stok, which it nominally retains to this day.

At the time of the partition of India in 1947, the Dogra ruler Maharaja Hari Singh was undecided whether to accede to the Indian Union or Pakistan. Eventually, he signed the Instrument of Accession in India's favour, following an invasion of Pakistani irregulars which were subsequently evicted by military operations.

In 1949, China closed the border between Nubra and Xinjiang, blocking old trade routes in anticipation of its invasion and illegal annexation of Tibet . In 1955 China began to build roads connecting Xinjiang and Tibet through this area. It also built the Karakoram highway jointly with Pakistan. India built the Srinagar-Leh Highway during this period, cutting the journey time between Srinagar to Leh from 16 days to two. It is from thence that the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir continues to be the subject of a territorial dispute between India on the one hand and Pakistan and China on the other.

Selective historicizing is easy to do. But the broader picture of the history, demographics and administration of Ladakh reveals that it was never part of China either culturally or politically for any sane length of time. China is an irredentist state, we all know that, but there are limits to what it can claim- particularly when some of its neighbors are not willing to be pushed over.


Information courtesy:

• Petech, Luciano (1977) (in English). The Kingdom of Ladakh
• Ray, John (2005) (English). Ladakhi Histories - Local and Regional Perspectives.
• Petech, Luciano (1977) (English). The Kingdom of Ladakh c. 950–1842 A.D. Istituto Italiano per il media ed Estremo Oriente.
• Bammi,Y.M.,Kargil 1999,- the impregnable conquered (2002)
• "Indians have been able to hold on to the tactical advantage of the high ground. Most of India's many outposts are west of the (Siachen) Glacier along the Saltoro Range. Bearak, Barry (May 23, 1999). "THE COLDEST WAR; Frozen in Fury on the Roof of the World". The New York Times. Retrieved on 2009-02-20.

 

[tharikiran]

well, BTW, I find a interesting list about electriccity consumption.

China's electricity consuption is almost equal to EU and nearly 5 times more than India's.

Furthermore ,it is reported that CHina has finished much more powerhouses than India.

so the gap is being widened.

As for industrialization, India has a long way to catch up with CHIna.
----------------------------------------------------------
List of countries by electricity consumptionhttp://www.ccthere.com/thread/2245298

1 United States 3,816,000,000 2005
2 People's Republic of China 2,859,000,000 2006
— European Union[4] 2,820,000,000 2004http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2245298
3 Russia 985,200,000 2007
4 Japan 974,200,000 2005
...
7 India 488,500,000 2005

The way I see it , you guys are going to hit the saturation point soon. You guys are too much dependent on the US for your export market and see what has happened with the recession in US.All the International news channels show documentaries on job loses in china.

India has a long way to go. I am happy about that. The potential for infrastructre development for the next 20 years is massive. Actual work on infrastructure has also started in India.

Other than that, china is a bigger country than India and with a bigger population. so, don't you think it will consume more electricity. Doesn't take rocket science, does it ?

 

[badguy2000]

Bear in mind that the Tibetan people neither recognize the suzerainty nor preponderance of your repressive state. If you want to embark on a historical voyage, let us go all the way, shall we?

Ladakh's earliest inhabitants consisted of a mixed Indo-Aryan population of Mons and Dards, who find mention in the works of Herodotus, Nearchus, Megasthenes, Pliny, Ptolemy, and the geographical lists of the Puranas, a group of important Indian Hindu religious texts onsisting of narratives of the history of the Universe from creation to destruction, genealogies of the kings, heroes, sages, and descriptions of Hindu cosmology, philosophy, and geography. Around the 1st century, Ladakh was a part of the Kushana empire of Ancient India originally formed in Bactria, on either side of the middle course of the Oxus River. Buddhism spread into western Ladakh from Kashmir (into whence it spread from Nepal or India) and became the predominant religion of Tibet which at the time was still practicing Bon'ism.

During the 8th century, Ladakh was involved in the clash between Tibetan expansion pressing from the East and Chinese influence exerted from Central Asia through the passes. Suzerainty over Ladakh frequently changed hands between China and Tibet. In 842 Nyima-Gon, a Tibetan royal representative annexed Ladakh for himself after the break-up of the Tibetan empire, and founded a separate Ladakh dynasty. During this period Ladakh acquired a predominantly Tibetan population. The dynasty spearheaded the "Second Spreading of Buddhism" importing religious ideas from what is now north-west India, particularly from Kashmir.

In the 13th century, faced with the Islamic conquest of South Asia, Ladakh chose to seek and accept guidance in religious matters from Tibet (not China, which at the time was conquered by the Mongols) and for nearly two centuries until the 1600's repelled invasions from neighbouring Muslim states, even as there was partial conversion of Ladakhis to Islam.

King Bhagan reunited and strengthened Ladakh and founded the Namgyal dynasty of the Basgo lineage, an ethnic Indian people, which survives even today. The Namgyals repelled most Central Asian raiders and temporarily extended the kingdom as far as Nepal. In the early 17th century efforts were made to restore destroyed artifacts and gompas, and the kingdom expanded into Zanskar and Spiti in present day Him'aachal Pradesh in India. Ladakh was, however defeated by the Mughals, who had already annexed Kashmir and Baltistan, but it continued to retained its independence.

In 1834, the Dogras, an Indo-Aryan, mostly Hindu peoples settled in Jammu, Punjab and Him'aachal Pradesh- who even have a cognominal regiment in the Indian Army, under Zorawar Singh, a general of Ranjit Singh, invaded and annexed Ladakh. A Ladakhi rebellion in 1842 was crushed and Ladakh was incorporated into the Dogra state of Jammu and Kashmir. The Namgyal family was given the jagir (territory) of Stok, which it nominally retains to this day.

At the time of the partition of India in 1947, the Dogra ruler Maharaja Hari Singh was undecided whether to accede to the Indian Union or Pakistan. Eventually, he signed the Instrument of Accession in India's favour, following an invasion of Pakistani irregulars which were subsequently evicted by military operations.

In 1949, China closed the border between Nubra and Xinjiang, blocking old trade routes in anticipation of its invasion and illegal annexation of Tibet . In 1955 China began to build roads connecting Xinjiang and Tibet through this area. It also built the Karakoram highway jointly with Pakistan. India built the Srinagar-Leh Highway during this period, cutting the journey time between Srinagar to Leh from 16 days to two. It is from thence that the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir continues to be the subject of a territorial dispute between India on the one hand and Pakistan and China on the other.

Selective historicizing is easy to do. But the broader picture of the history, demographics and administration of Ladakh reveals that it was never part of China either culturally or politically for any sane length of time. China is an irredentist state, we all know that, but there are limits to what it can claim- particularly when some of its neighbors are not willing to be pushed over.


Information courtesy:

• Petech, Luciano (1977) (in English). The Kingdom of Ladakh
• Ray, John (2005) (English). Ladakhi Histories - Local and Regional Perspectives.
• Petech, Luciano (1977) (English). The Kingdom of Ladakh c. 950–1842 A.D. Istituto Italiano per il media ed Estremo Oriente.
• Bammi,Y.M.,Kargil 1999,- the impregnable conquered (2002)
• "Indians have been able to hold on to the tactical advantage of the high ground. Most of India's many outposts are west of the (Siachen) Glacier along the Saltoro Range. Bearak, Barry (May 23, 1999). "THE COLDEST WAR; Frozen in Fury on the Roof of the World". The New York Times. Retrieved on 2009-02-20.

well, finally ,you got something that is not baseless completely!

congladuations!

but one case should be clitified there :

measured by any criterion, Tibet was not sovereignty with full independence during 1644-1911(chinese Qing dynasty),

Of course, during Qing daynasty, CHina also did hardly set up direct rule in Tibet,except the shord period (1904-1911.).


However ,Tibet at that time didn't coincide with the defination of "protectorate" either.

Korea and Vietnam at that time should be labeled as " protecorates of Chinese empire", because China only was responsible for their security and the succession of crown .

but as for Tibet, CHina stationed troops and appointed a speical high-rank offical ,who had authority equal to Dalai and Panchan legally in Tibet. China also often interfere with the succession of Dalai and Panchan.

 

[Rage]

what you said is purely fictional .

British India had no clear northeast boundary and a area now Called AP separated British India and CHinese Tibet,which was full of uncivilized tribes.

To effectively reinforce management of boundary in north east British India, Britishmen once felt it necessary to draw a clear north-east boundary .

the first clear line unilaterally drawn on map by Britishmen is the north boundary of Assam today,because Britishmen could not control the area to the north and felt the tribe land to the north(AP) was useless land.

However in 1904-1911, CHinese government in Beijing decided to reform the political system in Tibet and set up province in Tibet. So Beijing started to sent small troops into AP and tried to absorb AP into Chinese empire.

Britishmen were wary of Chinese activity in AP and tried to push the northeast boundary as far as possible.

However in 1911, revolution broke out in CHina and all Chinese troops/officials in Tibet retreated . TIbet got actual independence while not acknowldged by CHina and any foreign country.
Then,trilateral meeting on India's northeast boundary was raised in Simula in 1914..then M-line was raised while not acknowledged by Beijing......

You're a clown. You've just inadvertently proved that China's claim to AP is redundant because it "tried to 'absorb' AP" into its "new political system" by "sending small (LMAO) troops" into Arun'aachal Pradesh. You think the British not having drawn a clear boundary in the North-East gives your claim to AP any more legitimacy? Puhleeese!


As to the "trilateral meeting" between British India, China and Tibet:

In 1913-1914 representatives of China, Tibet and Britain negotiated a treaty in India: the Simla Accord. This treaty's objective was to define the borders between Inner and Outer Tibet as well as between Outer Tibet and British India. British administrator, Sir Henry McMahon, drew up the 550 mile (890 km) McMahon Line as the border between British India and Outer Tibet during the Simla Conference. The Tibetan and British representatives at the conference agreed to the line, which ceded Tawang and other Tibetan areas to the British Empire.

The Chinese representative had no problems with the border between British India and Outer Tibet, however on the issue of the boder between Outer Tibet and Inner Tibet the talks broke down. Thus, the Chinese representative refused to accept the agreement and walked out. The Tibetan Government and British Government went ahead with the Simla Agreement and declared that the benefits of other articles of this treaty would not be bestowed on China as long as it stays out of the purview.

The Chinese position since then has been that since China had sovereignty over Tibet (historically invalid), the line was invalid without Chinese agreement. Furthermore, by refusing to sign the Simla documents, the Chinese Government had escaped according any recognition to the validity of the McMahon Line.

Simla was initially rejected by the Government of British India as incompatible with the 1907 Anglo-Russian Convention. However, this agreement (the Anglo-Russian Convention) was renounced by Russia and Britain jointly in 1921, making the Simla Conference official. However, with the collapse of Chinese power in Tibet the line had no serious challenges as Tibet had signed the convention, therefore it was forgotten to the extent that no new maps were published until 1935, when interest was revived by civil service officer Olaf Caroe.

In 1944 Britain established administrations in the area, from Dirang Dzong in the west to Walong in the east. Tibet, however, altered its position on the McMahon Line in late 1947 when the Tibetan government wrote a note presented to the newly independent Indian Ministry of External Affairs laying claims to the Tibetan district (Tawang) south of the McMahon Line. The situation developed further as India became independent and the People's Republic of China was established in the late 1940s.

In 1959 a suppressed Tibetan uprising resulted in PRC's abolition of Tibet's self-ruling government headed by the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama fled to Dharamsala, India, where he continues to lead the Tibetan Government-in-Exile. Maps published by the Tibetan Government-in-Exile, the proper government of the Tibetan peoples, now show the McMahon Line as the southern border of Tibet.


Information courtesy:

• 'Treaties and Conventions Relating to Tibet', The Tibetan Justice Centre
  
• Lamb, Alastair, The McMahon line: a study in the relations between India, China and Tibet, 1904 to 1914, London, 1966,
  
• The Battle for the Border

You would also do well to read the Hindu history of Arun'aachal Pradesh, including the several temples that have been excavated in West Siang in recent years; and the local, indigenous Hindu civilization discovered at Idu Mishmi in Bhismaknagar.

And this is the last time you will refer to the people of Tibet as "uncivilized tribes". Do I make myself clear?

that is why Chinese think India should not be trusted....

We couldn't give a rat's arse about you "not trusting" us. As far as we're concerned, trusting a commie is like trying to fondle a snake. Crush the serpent on its head before it puts forth its venemous hide!

 

[Yusuf]

Hari there is hardly any difference between the population of China and India. It's widely acknowledged that India is woefully short of power and the nuke deal is one of the ways India is going to increase it's energy levels. The other is use of renewable energy.