An Indo Russian Leader?

[Srinivas_K]

we need atleast one Nuke battle cruiser in our CBG's.

They can act as shields as well as swords !

 

[bengalraider]

Can you please post sources? Visakhapatnam is not even nuclear based. I would expect price difference to be much higher. Or its standard Russian tech whose price will become five fold by the time of delivery.

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INS Visakhapatnam will cost the navy just about Rs 1 crore per tonne, or $159,750 in 2014 prices.

That comes to around 7500 crores/ship or around 1 billion$/vessel.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ild-warships-economically-115042100011_1.html

The only cost estimate of the leader i could find were from globalsecurity.

The approximate price of the new Navy destroyer was said to be $2,500,000,000.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ddg-newcon.htm

As far as threat perception vis a vis the Chinese is concerned we need such ships to be able to take on the likes of the Type 55 class Cruisers in a one on one fight.
For the uninitiated the Type 55 is a upcoming class of Chinese cruisers with 10000+ tonnes displacement and upto 128 missiles in VLS cells.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/chinas-testing-asias-largest-warship-13043

@salute - If you don't like Russian systems do not comment on them! simple!

 

[salute]

@salute - If you don't like Russian systems do not comment on them! simple!

yes,thats right,comment or no comment either way indian navy not gonna make their decisions from our discussions.

 

[bengalraider]

yes,thats right,comment or no comment either way indian navy not gonna make their decisions from our discussions.

completely correct there, we are but minnows in a stream here!

 

[blueblood]

I mean one leader alone can sink the entire Pakistani Navy while killing a third of it's air force as well, that capability speaks volumes.

Even a couple of Kolkata class is more than enough. Overkill brother Overkill!!

Their latest frigate has roughly the same Anti-Ashm capability as the ones they had 40 years back and was sunk mercilessly by Indian navy.

I understand that Indian economy as well as the defence budget will be larger but it does not excuse Indian military to engage in an irresponsible behavior.

Larger destroyers, smaller frigates are needed. Heavily armed white elephants, not so much.

 

[salute]

completely correct there, we are but minnows in a stream here!

you mean nothing but minnows,lets everyone remember that.

 

[Bahamut]

Even a couple of Kolkata class is more than enough. Overkill brother Overkill!!

Their latest frigate has roughly the same Anti-Ashm capability as the ones they had 40 years back and was sunk mercilessly by Indian navy.

I understand that Indian economy as well as the defence budget will be larger but it does not excuse Indian military to engage in an irresponsible behavior.

Larger destroyers, smaller frigates are needed. Heavily armed white elephants, not so much.

Its China that we should be worried about.Their capability are growing fast.These destroyer can be used against but before that we need to improve our sub fleet and ASW capability . Our sub need urgent attention .Also Chinese sub are getting quieter so ASW should improve or our CBG are going sitting duck for their sub.

 

[Kharavela]

But that Battle group will be far too costly to be maintained by IN and will limit the flexibility of IN and concentrate too much firepower at a limited part of the sea. Rather Leader class can operate alone or in pair only with a support vessel of ASW or AD Ship. Also, it can actually provide support to the planned LHDs or LPDs for independent ops.

Really liked the idea of a Battle Group consisting:
1) Leader Class Destroyer - 1 no
2) Future indigenous LHD - 1 no
3) Kamorta class Corvettes - 2 no
4) Kalvari class SSK - 2 no

Just wishful thinking => 4 - 5 such Battle Groups would be enough for IOR dominance.

 

[Bahamut]

Some info for sub noise level

Can any one tell ASW capability of these sub?

 

[bengalraider]

Some info for sub noise level
View attachment 6493
Can any one tell ASW capability of these sub?

It's staring you in the face!
The noisier a sub is the easier it is to detect and the easier it is to kill as well.
That said the Chinese and Russians both use comparable torpedoes, barring the Russian trump card in the shape of the skhval of course!

 

[Bahamut]

It's staring you in the face!
The noisier a sub is the easier it is to detect and the easier it is to kill as well.
That said the Chinese and Russians both use comparable torpedoes, barring the Russian trump card in the shape of the skhval of course!

I wanted to know that at what distance will these ships find Type 095 and then at what distance can it destroy it .The background noise for ocean is around 90 decibel while akula 2 was to near 110 to 120 decibel ,so let Type 095 be close to 140 decibel.So what kind of active and passive SONAR will these ships used and since Types 095 carry long range super sonic missile , so what is going to protection for these ships.

 

[bengalraider]

@Bahamut - most of the actual data regarding Sonar efficiency remains a state secret in both cases, i cannot give you any figures regarding detection & targeting ranges.
However that said what i can tell you is that the latest known Chinese Torpedo is the YU-6 with a maximum kill range of 45+km, this weapon is hopelessly outclassed by the Russian Type 65 with has a maximum kill range of 100km .

 

[Bahamut]

@Bahamut - most of the actual data regarding Sonar efficiency remains a state secret in both cases, i cannot give you any figures regarding detection & targeting ranges.
However that said what i can tell you is that the latest known Chinese Torpedo is the YU-6 with a maximum kill range of 45+km, this weapon is hopelessly outclassed by the Russian Type 65 with has a maximum kill range of 100km .

Thanks. These ships are going to have S 500 plus carry around 200 missile different class.

 

[salute]

Some info for sub noise level
View attachment 6493
Can any one tell ASW capability of these sub?

the intelligence agency really put that data on net.

 

[Bahamut]

the intelligence agency really put that data on net.

It was declassified to help think tanks and military contractors in USA and its allies.But nothing special as there no hard numbers.Here is one more if need it .These are calculated by seeing what is the public domain and info on sound proofing in sub .

 

[bengalraider]

Meanwhile the Russian navy continues to upgrade it's older giants as well!

The heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" in the Barents Sea. Source:RIA Novosti/Yuri Kaver

Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles
12 November 2015 Oleg Kuleshov, specially for RIR
Project 1144, to reconstruct the ‘Admiral Nakhimov’ the world’s largest missile cruiser, is taking place in northern Russia, at the country’s only docking facility for building atomic submarine cruisers. After the upgrade, it will replace the Pyotr Velikiy, another cruiser which will also undergo a refit, as the navy’s flagship. According to Vladimir Spiridopulo, the cruiser’s design engineer, the upgraded Admiral Nakhimov will be the Russian Navy’s most powerful ship. It will be equipped with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles.

A crucial stage in the production, involving removal of old equipment from the cruiser, has been completed, Sevmash told RIR. Preparations are on for the refit. The abrasive cleaning of the hull will be complete by the year end. The hull structure has been repaired; cutouts have been made at the location of the Granit cruise missile launchers, to allow installation of the new ‘Kalibr’ missile launcher unit.

Tsirkon for the navy

According to reent official information, after the work is complete, the cruiser will carry 80 cruise missiles and 96 anti-aircraft missiles with S-400 anti-aircraft systems.The Pantsir anti-aircraft artillery unit will be the last line of defence of the anti-aircraft defence system. The ship will be equipped with Paket NK, a new torpedo unit. All radio-electronic equipment will be completely replaced.

The previously installed Granit hypersonic anti-ship missiles on the Nakhimov were only able to attack surface targets. After installation of the new ‘Kalibrs’ the cruiser will be able to attack both surface and underwater targets. In terms of the weaponry and radioelectronic equipment, this will be a completely new ship with significantly enhanced combat abilities. The plan is to install hypersonic missiles on the Admiral Nakhimov, to make the ship practically invincible.

At the end of October Sevmash signed a contract with Almaz-Antey, manufacturers of the anti-aircraft defence system, for manufacture and delivery of ten ЗС-14-11442М universal vertical missile launchers for the Admiral Nakhimov atomic missile cruiser. The launchers will be modified to accommodate the following missile units: 3К-14 (Kalibr), 9К, 3М55 (Onyx), 3К-22 (Tsirkon). The prototype is expected to be tested by August 2016.

Reviving the navy’s offensive power

The ‘Tsirkon’ hypersonic missile is one of today’s most secret designs of the United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation. According to Dmitri Kornev, executive editor of the specialized web portal MilitaryRussia, ‘Tsirkon’ is a multi-service missile unit with a hypersonic missile. There has been unconfirmed speculation that the BrahMos-II anti-ship missile was the export version of the ‘Tsirkon.’ All tactical specifications of the missile are classified, but the ‘Tsirkon’ can likely reach a velocity of no less than 4.5 Mach. According to sources, the missile was ready for testing in 2015 but, based on client requirements, the prototype is likely to be tested by August 2016.

Orlan project 1142 involved building four cruisers: Admiral Ushakov (known as Kirov in the USSR), Admiral Lazarev (known as Frunze in the USSR), Admiral Nakhimov (known as Kalinin in the USSR) and Pyotr Velikiy. The first three ships were used for a short time. After the Soviet Union broke up, they were left standing at the berths waiting for repair or utilization. Some years ago Russia’s Ministry of Defence decided to modernize the cruisers. After ‘Admiral Nakhimov’, modernization will also include the Pacific navy’s ‘Admiral Lazarev’, now in a ship-repair yard.

During Soviet times, the modernized ships of Orlan project 1144 (including Admiral Nakhimov) were the offensive power of the supermarine group of ships, whose objective was to deliver devastating blows to the supermarine enemy forces. In peace time, the Orlans patrolled the ocean on the lookout for potential enemy ships.