INSAS Indian Small Arms System

[sayareakd]

People are wise not to have responded to my illiterate question. But you seem to be a dumb not to have read the question !

well i too didnt get it what you were saying, any way it appears that you are asking for the FINSAS, GSQR.

Only time will tell, Or i will ask in next 2014 Defexpo..

Kunal sir, i have asked......... they said that rifle for FINSAS is ready, it was delivered by their lab and may be in next Defexpo they will display it. :cool2:

 

[Bhadra]

Only time will tell, Or i will ask in next 2014 Defexpo..

Thank You.
Spread of three round brust fire at various ranges should be given in technical manual !!

 

[Shaitan]

@sayareakd

We all want to see that damn thing sooooo bad!!

Hope you or Kunal can get some snaps of it if it's at the def expo 2014. Or hopefully we'll see it in between then.

 

[sayareakd]

Thank You.
Spread of three round brust fire at various ranges should be given in technical manual !!

yeah and release of that info amounts to violation of officials secret Act, which penal offence.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

[qoute]Re: INSAS Indian Small Arms System

Coming back to the tread. What the spread of three round burst of INSAS at various ranges? [/qoute]

That was the question if you may whine to answer that !!

I have already answered..

 

[Bhadra]

yeah and release of that info amounts to violation of officials secret Act, which penal offence.

OH ! Then How are these machines sold? and how are these details published in magzines and these forums? Deatils of Tajas and Brahmos are common knowledge but not of INSAS?

 

[sayareakd]

OH ! Then How are these machines sold? and how are these details published in magzines and these forums? Deatils of Tajas and Brahmos are common knowledge but not of INSAS?

Bhadra you can take a chance, but i must say Act is very strict, you may or may not come in their net. Best of luck.

 

[Bhadra]

Bhadra you can take a chance, but i must say Act is very strict, you may or may not come in their net. Best of luck.

I may not be able to find it becuase even DRDO or ARDE would not know this? Do you know then please tell me.

 

[ALBY]

Instead of developing a new rifle alone why couldn't the ofb and drdo think of cooperation with other manufacturers across the border who has a successful trackrecord...just like we had done in the case of brahmos and 5th gen fighter craft? Iam telling this coz till this date everything the ofb had made has been dumb in one hand and obsolete in the other hand...by indulgin in a. JV Indian defence industry could study & experience much more in this field.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

GRSQ is the panga..

The Exaluber Insas is OFB deigned AR not based on Army requirements, But do i see Army using Excaluber ? NO..

 

[sayareakd]

GRSQ is the panga..

The Exaluber Insas is OFB deigned AR not based on Army requirements, But do i see Army using Excaluber ? NO..

Sir, Excaluber is not designed for army, it is made for police and para military, since it is full auto. As told at Ofb stall at defexpo 2012.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Sir, Excaluber is not designed for army, it is made for police and para military, since it is full auto. As told at Ofb stall at defexpo 2012.

Army didn't go for it, that is why it is made for police and Paramilitary..

 

[ALBY]

Army didn't go for it, that is why it is made for police and Paramilitary..

Is the ex caliber in service with paramilitary?there were reports that it was failed during tests done by army and had some serious problems with the gas system etc.
Any way it is a shame that small nations like Bulgaria,poland,Romania,check republic,
and Hungary are making better weapons than ours.

 

[Bhadra]

It is because DODs do business in Indian style. They think Army to be their captive and colonial market and think of them as illiterate peasants and themselves to be scientists turned businessmen crooks. There is a clear lack of trust between the two and things can not move at that.

 

[Twinblade]

Re: INSAS Indian Small Arms System



Coming back to the tread. What the spread of three round burst of INSAS at various ranges?

That was the question if you may whine to answer that !!

Its hard to find sources that quantify spread, but in the hands of an experienced shooter, two out of three shots in the burst fire mode will hit the torso 60~70% of the time at 100 yards, when aiming for the heart/sternum.

 

[pmaitra]

Is the ex caliber in service with paramilitary?there were reports that it was failed during tests done by army and had some serious problems with the gas system etc.
Any way it is a shame that small nations like Bulgaria,poland,Romania,check republic,
and Hungary are making better weapons than ours.

Frankly, these countries have always gotten foreign technology, tooling, and expert help producing weapons. Earlier it was the USSR, now it is the West.

Not all the stuff you hear about is good. There is a lot of media and advertisement blitz. One example is here below, from the archives:

01-04-12, 11:50 PMpmaitra
IWI Negev 7.62mm LMG
New Negev NG7 LMG 7,62mm caliber Light Machine Gun Israel Israeli Weapon Industries IWI - YouTube
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02-04-12, 12:24 AMW.G.Ewald
A "rain test"? WTF does that mean, it doesn't melt in the rain? And at the end of the "rain test" it's "battle-proven"?

Effing marketing types are the same everywhere.

Grumble, grumble.
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02-04-12, 12:45 AMpmaitra
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Originally Posted by W.G.Ewald
A "rain test"? WTF does that mean, it doesn't melt in the rain? And at the end of the "rain test" it's "battle-proven"?

Effing marketing types are the same everywhere.

Grumble, grumble.


Absolute marketing gimmick.

I am glad one of them didn't slip and spray bullets on his comrades. This is one of the stupidest things I have seen.

Anyway, it was a good video, and a nice LMG nonetheless.

Many people going gung-ho about foreign weapons read too much into the advertisements. I'd say calm down. I was overwhelmed after reading about the KRISS Vector in magazines and experts were showering praises on it. I was actually looking forward to shooting it. When I eventually used it, it turned out to be a lemon, to my utter disappointment.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Is the ex caliber in service with paramilitary?there were reports that it was failed during tests done by army and had some serious problems with the gas system etc.

It was issued and was popular in Para SF and selective Inf units like GR, They worked fine but requirement was better fulfilled by TAR-21..

It is because DODs do business in Indian style. They think Army to be their captive and colonial market and think of them as illiterate peasants and themselves to be scientists turned businessmen crooks. .

 

[Rajas004]

They are pretty adamant about including an under barrel grenade launcher.

 

[Bhadra]

Its hard to find sources that quantify spread, but in the hands of an experienced shooter, two out of three shots in the burst fire mode will hit the torso 60~70% of the time at 100 yards, when aiming for the heart/sternum.

Thank You. If that is what is achieved at hundred yards what will be the spread at 400 yards / meters.
My point is that the fire of 7.62 bullets at controlled burst at 500 yards is much better due to various reason.
Secondly an assault rifle should be able to hit accurately at 300 yards. A soldier needs to fire auto or in burst mode in CQB role only wherein fully auto fire like that of AK is much ,more effective and devastating.
Thus this NATO philosophy of three round burst fire, if at all, and is not very successful.
INSAS is hell bound to conventional ops and only conventional operations. It is failure for CI / CT operations.

 

[Bhadra]

Its hard to find sources that quantify spread, but in the hands of an experienced shooter, two out of three shots in the burst fire mode will hit the torso 60~70% of the time at 100 yards, when aiming for the heart/sternum.

Indian Army soldiers are tested during their firing in three round burst fire and have to pass a certain hit percentage test at various ranges. They have a range table for it. Any one here??