Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

[sayareakd]

Congrats China Now i can land , good achievement for China.

 

[sayareakd]

no need for that

 

[sayareakd]

it will take years before all the crew can land and get use to carrier operations.

 

[Impluseblade]

You are right. One naval officer predicted that the carrier will be fully operational in 3-5 years.

it will take years before all the crew can land and get use to carrier operations.

 

[ShabiKB]

 

[ShabiKB]

and the prize goes to:

 

[Just Me]

Good Work...

 

[Just Me]

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I have two questions:

1: in the American pic where the Deck crew in yellow in guiding the pilot, they have two crew member, is that as per some work flow to have two crew members flag the aircraft as fail safe or is that just a crew assisting his team member in free time. Now that i think it must be a fails safe mechanism but please feel free to correct me..

2: We know the Americans will not train the Chinese for this and I cannot think of a country that has expertise in AC who would train them. So from where did they get this knowledge, please don't tell me they reversed engineered this is through videos short on American carrier...

 

[sayareakd]

read it on news paper that one of the engineer died at the time of landing of first aircraft.
Landing of Aircraft in carrier is old WW-2 tech, you guys should ease up and take your time. Effective carrier operations will take 2-5 years.
Remember Japan lost WW-2 despite having carrier to support their war effort.
Josh ma hosh mat khona.

 

[ice berg]

read it on news paper that one of the engineer died at the time of landing of first aircraft.
Landing of Aircraft in carrier is old WW-2 tech, you guys should ease up and take your time. Effective carrier operations will take 2-5 years.
Remember Japan lost WW-2 despite having carrier to support their war effort.
Josh ma hosh mat khona.

I love the sour grape from you.

Let me correct some of the errors you made:
It was the CEO of SAC who died. SAC is the company who made the J-15, J-31 etc.

Landing of aircraft on a carrier has never been an old ww-2 tech. It is about skills, training and hardwares.

You must be really bored since your russian AC got delayed again.

 

[nimo_cn]

 

[sayareakd]

I love the sour grape from you.

Let me correct some of the errors you made:
It was the CEO of SAC who died. SAC is the company who made the J-15, J-31 etc.

Landing of aircraft on a carrier has never been an old ww-2 tech. It is about skills, training and hardwares.

You must be really bored since your russian AC got delayed again.

Landing in AC is nothing new, we are doing it for years and others are also doing this. BTW Vikram. has already had carrier landing. Just because it was delayed, due to problem found in the boiler, does not mean that we wont have it in future.

BTW it is quite funny that China has first inducted their AC and then after formal induction they started processes of landing of aircraft. What if problem is found at this stage it will delay this inducted carrier's future operation in the PLA Navy.

dont you guys (CHina and Pak) first complete all the test and then induct the equipment into armed forces. I remember that Junk Fighter-17 was also first inducted before weaponistaion testing. Its regular pilots were flying them all over the Pakistan. As a result one of the plane crashed.

 

[nimo_cn]

Landing in AC is nothing new, we are doing it for years and others are also doing this. BTW Vikram. has already had carrier landing. Just because it was delayed, due to problem found in the boiler, does not mean that we wont have it in future.

BTW it is quite funny that China has first inducted their AC and then after formal induction they started processes of landing of aircraft. What if problem is found at this stage it will delay this inducted carrier's future operation in the PLA Navy.

dont you guys (CHina and Pak) first complete all the test and then induct the equipment into armed forces. I remember that Junk Fighter-17 was also first inducted before weaponistaion testing. Its regular pilots were flying them all over the Pakistan. As a result one of the plane crashed.

Piloting an aircraft and landing it on an AC. though being risky and complicated, could be accomplished through pratices. therefore landing on AC Liaoning alone is no big deal.

However, what set Chinese landing apart from the landing by Indians is that Chinese pilots landed Chinese-built aircrafts on a Chinese-rebuilt AC while Indian pilots landed whoever-built-but-Indian-built aircrafts on a whoever-built-but-Indian-built AC. Apologies for my awful English syntax,but you people can understand what I was trying to convey.

 

[Impluseblade]

Didn't you guys lunch your first nuclear submarine a couple of years ago but its nuclear reactor is not operational till now?

Landing in AC is nothing new, we are doing it for years and others are also doing this. BTW Vikram. has already had carrier landing. Just because it was delayed, due to problem found in the boiler, does not mean that we wont have it in future.

BTW it is quite funny that China has first inducted their AC and then after formal induction they started processes of landing of aircraft. What if problem is found at this stage it will delay this inducted carrier's future operation in the PLA Navy.

dont you guys (CHina and Pak) first complete all the test and then induct the equipment into armed forces. I remember that Junk Fighter-17 was also first inducted before weaponistaion testing. Its regular pilots were flying them all over the Pakistan. As a result one of the plane crashed.

 

[sayareakd]

Didn't you guys lunch your first nuclear submarine a couple of years ago but its nuclear reactor is not operational till now?

It was not inducted in Indian navy or else it would have called INS Arihant. It is only called "Arihant". Please apply some mind to this.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In recent years Chinese military has visited USN CVNs for short visits. But the Chinese have been studying aircraft carriers for many years.

2: We know the Americans will not train the Chinese for this and I cannot think of a country that has expertise in AC who would train them. So from where did they get this knowledge, please don't tell me they reversed engineered this is through videos short on American carrier...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some Interesting facts :

ex HMAS Melbourne was sold to China for scrape,The ship was not scrapped immediately; instead she was studied by Chinese naval architects and engineers as part of the nation's top-secret carrier development program.However, it is unclear whether the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) orchestrated the acquisition of Melbourne or simply took advantage of the situation;Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong, who is both the son of PLAN founder Zhang Aiping and a staff member at the National Defence College, has stated that the Navy was unaware of the purchase until Melbourne first arrived at Guangzhou.Melbourne was the largest warship any of the Chinese experts had seen, and they were surprised by the amount of equipment which was still in place.The PLAN subsequently arranged for the ship's flight deck and all the equipment associated with flying operations to be removed so that they could be studied in depth. Reports have circulated that either a replica of the flight deck, or the deck itself, was used for clandestine training of People's Liberation Army Navy pilots in carrier flight operations.It has also been claimed that the Royal Australian Navy received and "politely rejected" a request from the PLAN for blueprints of the ship's steam catapult.The carrier was not dismantled for many years; according to some rumours she was not completely broken up until 2002.

A 2012 article in Jane's Navy International stated that the large quantity of equipment recovered from Melbourne "undoubtedly helped" Admiral Liu Hau-qing secure the Chinese Government's support for his proposal to initiate a program to develop aircraft carriers for the Navy

HMAS Melbourne (R21) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also studied and blueprints on others here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_...rcraft_carrier

 

[mikhail]

Piloting an aircraft and landing it on an AC. though being risky and complicated, could be accomplished through pratices. therefore landing on AC Liaoning alone is no big deal.

However, what set Chinese landing apart from the landing by Indians is that Chinese pilots landed Chinese-built aircrafts on a Chinese-rebuilt AC while Indian pilots landed whoever-built-but-Indian-built aircrafts on a whoever-built-but-Indian-built AC. Apologies for my awful English syntax,but you people can understand what I was trying to convey.

but that doesn't change the scenerio,does it?the IN has operated aircraft carriers for the last 5 decades,so its quite natural that we will have clear cut advantages over PLAN in this field!and regarding the usage of foreign aircraft carriers and aircrafts well as the saying goes "everything is fair in love and war"!i mean as long as these foriegn eqipments serve our country effectively we don't have a problem with them!

 

[mikhail]

I love the sour grape from you.

Let me correct some of the errors you made:
It was the CEO of SAC who died. SAC is the company who made the J-15, J-31 etc.

Landing of aircraft on a carrier has never been an old ww-2 tech. It is about skills, training and hardwares.

You must be really bored since your russian AC got delayed again.

but we still have an operational INS Viraat don't we!on the other hand your aircraft carrier/floating casino Varyag is still doing sea trials!well it seems that the PLAN is quite happy with its first floating casino!

 

[badguy2000]

read it on news paper that one of the engineer died at the time of landing of first aircraft.
Landing of Aircraft in carrier is old WW-2 tech, you guys should ease up and take your time. Effective carrier operations will take 2-5 years.
Remember Japan lost WW-2 despite having carrier to support their war effort.
Josh ma hosh mat khona.

1.well, landing one jet on AC is much harder than landing a WWII old plane on AC,because jets are much more heavier and faster.

2.it is a meaning step..