Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier
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We can see at least two J15s took part of the fly by. One of them was installed with WS10.
Again, it's just some typical touch and go experiments to explore an ideal decent path for an actual landing, not the landing itself. They might had some data from the Russian, but you have to repeat the whole process all by yourselves as the reality could be so far from what you think it might be. Whether they've found it, I don't know. What I know is that they've already torn a hook from one of the J15s. Still, no evidence actually proves PLAN has already landed an flanker on the AC. But it is easy to tell they are not far from it.
Again, it's just some typical touch and go experiments to explore an ideal decent path for an actual landing, not the landing itself. They might had some data from the Russian, but you have to repeat the whole process all by yourselves as the reality could be so far from what you think it might be. Whether they've found it, I don't know. What I know is that they've already torn a hook from one of the J15s. Still, no evidence actually proves PLAN has already landed an flanker on the AC. But it is easy to tell they are not far from it.
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Nice pics nefroy... It looks like flight ops have been going on for a long time now..
It also serves as a flight deck fire suppression system and can be loaded with fire fighting foam instead of water...
This is a decontaminating process which carriers have for after chemical or biological attacks. Usually in the Royal Navy it's the last leg of the training before ships return home after long deployments...
It also serves as a flight deck fire suppression system and can be loaded with fire fighting foam instead of water...
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I must say Hats off to the chinese..they have a working Aircraft carrier and we are still waiting. To add to this we are still learning to build a AC, where as they have already learnt it, that to after having no experience with AC....
I really don't understand when will we realize and get rid of bureaucratic red tape. We have great companies such as L & T, Tata Eng and yet we are struggling technical issues with our IAC program. We tend to start project but tend to lose steam in between, and casually say the program has got delayed.. I was very surprised to hear that Cohin Shipyard floated out the IAC hull as they require the dry dock for another commercial project..
So bottom line is that we don't have the killer instinct when it comes to indigenization.Where as the chinese do.
I really don't understand when will we realize and get rid of bureaucratic red tape. We have great companies such as L & T, Tata Eng and yet we are struggling technical issues with our IAC program. We tend to start project but tend to lose steam in between, and casually say the program has got delayed.. I was very surprised to hear that Cohin Shipyard floated out the IAC hull as they require the dry dock for another commercial project..
So bottom line is that we don't have the killer instinct when it comes to indigenization.Where as the chinese do.
Cohin is not the one to be blame though, the special steel panel is delayed by foreign contractors, and the ship is waiting there for materials to be in place. you can't make a good cook cook from air. but Cohin is not a good cook either, it has major flaws
in the modularized installation. the previous 3 commercial ocean liners all have very severe quality concern.
on your last comments about domestic industry, I have some input though:
1. India enjoyed a far better international environment than China does, anything you cannot make you can buy, but no one sell them to China, Chinese has to learn how to make them ( as very "nicely" depicted by our Indian bahis here as "copy" them).
2. India after independence has not put emphasis on infrastructure, we have our great state founding fathers who struggled to jump start Chinese heavy industry and infrastructure, while india relied on British leftovers. education also made a difference, our literacy rate is lower than India in 1949, but in 1964, our literacy rate has already surpassed that of India in 2011, and one needs to know how to read and write 1500 characters in order to be considered as non-illiterate, but Indian standard is this person must know how to spell his full name. I am not making this up, this was quoted from your veteran writer and reporter Mrs. Pallavi Aiyar, in her 2008 book Smoke and Mirrors : An Experience of China .
3. Start from easier projects and get bigger, India is very impatient, it wants to skip industrialization to become a world office, but this white elephant has been proven as some westerners' trick. The day you stop trust the westerner, the day you will be put on the right track.
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Does India lack of interest in industrialization? I don't think so! You can't simply assume that the whole elites group in a highly culture-developed country are so stupid and short of sight. Indians are not barbarian like race from Africa or some tiny islands in ocean. There must be some group of people who want it deadly, just like we did for the past 100 years.
Indian's plan might be getting sufficient money first from being a world office, and then using the money reserved back to industry as the initial funds.Though different from routes of any other industrialized or being industrialized countries, but it's their choice. What we need to do is keeping close eyes on its process and make an objective estimation for its success ratio and necessary required items still in lack. By doing this, China can correctly adjust its policies related to India in time, which is based on their development in industry, not on how much weapons they bought or possessed.
Indian's plan might be getting sufficient money first from being a world office, and then using the money reserved back to industry as the initial funds.Though different from routes of any other industrialized or being industrialized countries, but it's their choice. What we need to do is keeping close eyes on its process and make an objective estimation for its success ratio and necessary required items still in lack. By doing this, China can correctly adjust its policies related to India in time, which is based on their development in industry, not on how much weapons they bought or possessed.
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