Warrior Empire - The Mughals

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rajputs only reluctantly accepted akbar's domination because they had to give their daughters in marriage to him .
even today ,the protests against jodha-akbar film were because the rajputs were reminded of their humiliation at mughal hands.........of their daughters being married to mughals.
the sisodia dynasty's ( rana pratap )main claim to pre-eminence among the rajputs is the fact that they never gave their daughters to mughals in marriage ,and acceptance of this pre-eminence by rajputs is proof that they hold this sensitive issue close to their hearts.
even though the protesters are claiming that the opposition is on the grounds of jodha being akbar's sons wife ,the real fact is that they dont want a movie showing rajput women being married to mughals being shown.
That is a logical jump. Very easy to paint it on the whole community.
History is the biggest evidence that marriages among Kings have had no boundaries and in today's society we wonder about those alliances as so damn odd. Even when they happen at social grassroots now(inter-religous marriages etc.).
A couple of marriages done by the royals for obvious political motives and you write off rajputs in the same bed as mughals, can't agree with you.
The rajput society and majority of the royals never favored such marriages and condemned the ones that took place; for the same reasons that other dynasties kept away from going down that road. And if you want proof just look at the inter caste or inter religous marriages if any that take place in rajputs as compared to others, you will have your answer.

Not a big empire, with their small abode on resource less harsh semi desert terrain, rajputs were in a geopolitical fit; the first the most & the easiest hit target for any invasion from north west.
Be it the barbarians like Nadir Shah, Ahmed Shah Abdali or the others like Mughals.
It is easy to talk about fight when enemy lives a house farther where clash is on ambition not survival, but ask the rajputs who had them all coming right into the face .. right in front of them.
Ties with Mughals had to be there. Natural consequence of Mughals settling forever at Delhi.
People who posted here, mostly refer to the times when rajputs power had already slid down. The party started to spoil even before Mughals came. Rajput power which was better organized in 700-1300 AD under fewer stronger rulers like Bappa Rawal, disintegrated into smaller weaker states later. Enduring continous bombardment of foreign invasions for centuries, figures amongs the reasons. Had it been someone else, their signs would've gone missing from the pages of history.
Rajputs rulers then were successfull in thwarting off the attacks of Arabs/Turks for initial centuries. Major examples:
-- Bin Qasim who was defeated and driven off till Sindh
-- Persians routed out of Afghanistan with liberation of Kandhar.
-- Battles fought by Bhattis and PrithviRaj Chauhan in 12th century.
-- Battles fought by Jaitra Singh in 13th century. Defeat of Jalaluddin Khilji at Ranthambore in 1291 AD.
-- Never to forget the siege of Chittor where helpless and boxed in from all sides at a fort, rajputs fought Alauddin Khilji's massive army for 7 months, defended the fort to the last man and as an end resort the rajput women immolated themselves in fire to avoid captivity to foreigners (known as Jauhar). I need not mention further of how closely Rajputs guarded the Hindu bastion and do it even today.
-- Rajputs kept fighting invasions from Afghanistan even till 16th century AD (the likes of Maharana Sangram Singh and the devotee MiraBai's father Ratan Singh).
Rana Sanga fought with Muslims invasions in all directions - Delhi, Malwa and Gujrat; imprisoned Sultan Mahmud. After fighting the likes of Sayyads, Tughlaqs and Lodis; rajputs made a mistake.
Rana Sanga invited Babur to defeat Ibrahim Lodi.

Many won't agree and it is difficult to prove history but rajputs were a buffer for the rest of India from such northwestern attacks. True they were not always successfull in warding them off with their limited capacity and infrastructure. Rajputs had high morals and kept to their business. They were never ever involved in looting, raids etc in any regions - native or outside.

Coming to Marathas, they clashed with Mughals because both saw each other as a threat to their explansion and establishment and moreover they were bigger empires who had the capacity as well as stakes/ambitions for prolonged wars. To the contrary Rajputs were a handful of loosely held tribes who thrive on their culture, values, courage and as I said earlier - never went out for greener pastures (won't say it was good or bad).
There's a saying which expresses it all "Ek baade mein do sher saath nahi reh sakte". Too much individualism spelt doom time and again for rajputs who could've made stronger impact in history.
Even with so much potential, Rajputs failed to understand that chivalry or bravery uncoupled from diplomacy+greater unity cannot be effective. There was even less heed to issues like technology and infastructure. Rajputs were stationary there and hence were outclassed in weapons, out manouvered in tactics.
Consequently, the most valiant were consistently troubled by raids from Marathas and the Mughal supremacy. They ultimately got sandwitched between larger empires - Mughals and Marathas.

Decades of indiscriminate raids, taxing and interference intensely detested Rajputs from Marathas, while both held the Hindu flagship. An irony not new to India - infighting .. at all levels.
However the reasons I stated it, is this :
When Marathas got locked in against Abdali; foresaw a huge & tough battle they needed help from Rajputs who obviously did not provide it. As a result, military support and supply lines for Marathas were almost non existent. This contributed to the decisive defeat of Marathas in Panipat III and strengthened the curious belief of East India company that India could actually be ruled.

Sikhs were as valiant but a smarter community. Time and again they empowered by waiting out the Indegenous powers like Marathas and the outside invaders to fight amongst and wither away.

Most of Gorkha clans are Bappa Rawal's descendants who flew north east. Rawal (Sisodia rajput) was a disciple of biggest Gurkha figure - warrior saint Gorakh Nath.

What differs Hindu and Muslim advances into each other's region is that the handful opportunities when Hindu rulers (Rajputs, Sikhs etc) swept into areas like Afghanistan they didn't resort to any propoganda like conversion and social coercion.
 
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You are right , one thing I never go into or claim is knowing ethic history . But hopefully you got my point...moguls who conquered India were not from India and to carry historical baggage , I don't say forget it, is a slippery slope.

Yes, when they came to India they looked like this.. Had nothing to do with Indians or India.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7797/47a5187bf8.jpg

But in the end they looked nothing like their ancestors.




Prince Yakub Ziauddin Tucy, great grandson of the Mughal Emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar.
gulfnews : Movie 'defames Mughal empire'
 
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Even Shivaji- the real founder of Maratha empire had to surrender two-third of his 35 forts to the Mughals according to the treaty of Purander. .
That was a tactical surrender.

Aurangazeb's deccan campaign was his waterloo and the primary cause for destruction of Mughal Empire. Too much resources were spent on capturing the territory after it became an ego issue for him and the Marathas used that ego to lead the Mughal to their destruction.

The Marathas were defeated in Third Battle of Panipat because their own resources were exhausted after the struggle with the Mughals and Ranjit Singh's refusal to help them against the Afghans.Had the Sikhs joined the fight in support of the Marathas the history of the subcontinent may well have been different.
 

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rajputs made a mistake.
Rana Sanga invited Babur to defeat Ibrahim Lodi.


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Most of Gorkha clans are Bappa Rawal's descendants who flew north east. Rawal (Sisodia rajput) was a disciple of biggest Gurkha figure - warrior saint Gorakh Nath.
Can you explain ?

AFAIK it was the courtiers of Ibrahim Lodi who invited Babur to invade India and not Rana Sanga. Infact Sanga fought against him and embraced martyrdom in the First Battle of Panipat.

Second if you say that Gorkhas are descendants of Rajputs to any of the four main Gorkha clans - Magar, Rai, Gurung and Limbu they will scoff at you. Actually they consider the Rajput Gorkhas (Thakuris) as their not-so-courageous cousins. This is not my individual perception but based on a detailed argument with a Gurung Gorkha over internet.

Actually even in the Indian Army most of the Nepali recruits are from these four clans and not the Thakuri Gorkhas. All the recruits in the Royal Army are from these four clans and no one outside.
 
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The Mughals under Babur and Humayun were fairly primitive in their methods of governance (though well-versed in the latest military tactics of the time) and essentially ruled through force or the threat of force. Mughal administration was always about keeping local forces in check, and to this end Mughal armies would parade through the countryside with tens of thousands of men and courtiers simply to impress local populations.

It was Akbar who made the Mughal Empire into a proper state, with a defined territory, regular income, and standing army. And of course his attempts to ideologically unite his subjects were admirable and find little comparison as far as early modern kings are concerned. However Akbar's successors did not have the same talent or vision as him and due to this the Mughal state slowly declined, before Aurangzeb dealt the finishing blow.
 

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