Trump Uses the K-word, Includes Bajwa in Talks with Imran

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Trump wants a deal in Afghanistan that allows him to get America out without losing its face and he believes, as most influential Americans do, pakistan with its influence over taliban can deliver this to him. We can dissect his statement at our leisure and pretend his ramblings to be a consequence of an untutored mind with no significant impact on the overall national policy. Whilst we sing to ourselves this lullaby, be prepared to see a desperate Trump to throw more of our strategic interests under the Afpak bus.
 

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I am steadfast fast on my opinion that what Trump said was of no value and Indians are overreacting. That utterances were due to some mismatch, misinterpretations and poor translation.
He spoke against Indian interests, that's why India has responded. It didn't cost the MEA anything to issue that statement. Just one meeting with Imran Khan and immediately the US has declared the BLA a terrorist group and suddenly wanting to meddle in Kashmir and threatening to wipeout Afghanistan (all three are Pakistani positions). No elected government can go without responding to such provocations. Even a small nation like Afghanistan has responded strongly to his comments. There's always a dissonance between what any nation says and does but if the leader of the US cannot maintain the diplomatic balance, he's going to get schooled.

All said and done, making shrill noises during such events allows us to carry forward that hostile opinion to whenever American agents try to sell their overpriced weapons to us. It becomes an easy card to play. Their President's statements being their internal matter, our MEA didn't have to respond to it just like America didn't have to respond to our S400 purchase, it being our internal matter, but they did.

It's alright, let them take some heat. It's not like were firing missiles at them. What's a few harsh words for these shameless thick-skinned pigs. They said something, we said something, end of matter. When they try to hawk their F18, we'll pick up the bookmark from here, force them to issue a clarification and make a fool of themselves again.
 
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People are making assumptions that Americans want to get out of Afghanistan so they are cosying up with Pakistan. One can only be naive to believe in such a theory without giving any proof for the same.

Another theory they add to the concoction is that they want peace deal with the Taliban using Pakistan.

And they are using both these theories to do their favourite time pass of Dhoti Shivering and diss GoI.

1. USA is trying these peace deals with Pakistan on-board since aeon. It is Afghan people and their regional allies like Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara, NA who are fighting the Taliban and Pakistan. They will never let a deal happen that give leverage to Pakistan.

Let me ask a question to Indians if they can point fingers at who may be responsible for the attack on Pakistani army school a few years back.

Those who cannot even name two Taliban Shura have become experts in India.

2. There is no time frame USA giving at all when they will leave.

3. Who is stopping Americans to leave?

4. What obligations the USA have to crack a peace deal?

5. Why they will leave Afghanistan for Russia and China? China is connecting the whole Central Asia OBOR which USA Objects and uses Afghanistan to check connectivity. Russia is now come down into Black sea and controls the oil lanes. Afghanistan left abandoned will further strength downwards presence of Russia.

5. What about a secret Deal between Modi and Trump that Modi is screwing Pakistan to make them rush to USA for help? Isn't this a plausible theory? Why Indians only see and read things with their inferiority ridden glasses.

6. Pakistan distanced itself from USA because it was creating pressure on her for giving corridor between Afghanistan and India on Afghanistan's demand. Reading Pakistani analysts, USA is still pushing for it as it closer to the Afghanistan government.
 

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He spoke against Indian interests, that's why India has responded. It didn't cost the MEA anything to issue that statement. Just one meeting with Imran Khan and immediately the US has declared the BLA a terrorist group and suddenly wanting to meddle in Kashmir and threatening to wipeout Afghanistan (all three are Pakistani positions). No elected government can go without responding to such provocations. Even a small nation like Afghanistan has responded strongly to his comments. There's always a dissonance between what any nation says and does but if the leader of the US cannot maintain the diplomatic balance, he's going to get schooled.

All said and done, making shrill noises during such events allows us to carry forward that hostile opinion to whenever American agents try to sell their overpriced weapons to us. It becomes an easy card to play. Their President's statements being their internal matter, our MEA didn't have to respond to it just like America didn't have to respond to our S400 purchase, it being our internal matter, but they did.

It's alright, let them take some heat. It's not like were firing missiles at them. What's a few harsh words for these shameless thick-skinned pigs. They said something, we said something, end of matter. When they try to hawk their F18, we'll pick up the bookmark from here, force them to issue a clarification and make a fool of themselves again.
He did not speak against Indian interests. He spoke against the Indian stand.

Resolving Kashmir Issue is India's interest. Resolving bilaterally is India's stand.

An outsider may not be able to make a distinction between both. And we all know India is in communication with USA on Pakistan sponsored terrorism in Kashmir. Heck Pakistani journalist Nazam Sethi can make an observation on this possibility but we are too fixated on declaring the USA our enemy.

MEA could have also responded because of pressure by shallow opposition who wanted it to be a spectacle between Modi and Trump and outrage of Left librandoo media. There were plenty of lines to read in between but we took it literally.

Wiping out Afghanistan should have squeezed Imran's ass and he remained constipated after that. It is a common instrument during negotiation or convincing a client to not threat him directly but his neighbour.

BLA was designated as a terror organization by UK and EU before USA did. Connecting it to this non-issue is nothing but confirmation bias.

1. Trump is up against every ally, especially on trade. I can post many videos where he is publically screwing their top leaderships. Never saw citizens of those nations crying. Why he can not be as blunt with us as he is with others or do the same arm twisting?

2. He has been against NATO ally Turkey for S-400, why he wouldn't object India?

One can debate why it is important for Indian to show a middle finger to USA on S-400 and tariff wars but sounding like a victim or holier than thou is a small boy, small nation syndrome. I have been struggling to get our men out of this syndrome for the last 10 odd years but with every little abrasion, I see them start crying like juveniles.

This forum including me was overwhelmingly supporting Trump when he was up for his election. I remember cautioning the readers that India gotta up its game to crack good deals with him. Now when he is openly playing his cards we are singing 'Ye Dunia Ye Mehfil mere kaam ki nahi'.
 
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Trump wants a deal in Afghanistan that allows him to get America out without losing its face and he believes, as most influential Americans do, pakistan with its influence over taliban can deliver this to him. We can dissect his statement at our leisure and pretend his ramblings to be a consequence of an untutored mind with no significant impact on the overall national policy. Whilst we sing to ourselves this lullaby, be prepared to see a desperate Trump to throw more of our strategic interests under the Afpak bus.
There is no “face-saving” recourse for the Americans and their failure of a military misadventure in Afghanistan.
 

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There is no “face-saving” recourse for the Americans and their failure of a military misadventure in Afghanistan.
Military expeditions are not zero-sum games.

Post 9/11 it was important to give a message to the world especially enemies of USA who may have started thinking to bleed USA this way.

Even if the messaging is separated, the USA is a war-making nation and it is an enterprise for them.

Keep making moral judgements and keep saying that they have lost Afghanistan; which was never theirs in the first place. LOL.
 

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There is no “face-saving” recourse for the Americans and their failure of a military misadventure in Afghanistan.
There is if they can convince the taliban and the govt in Kabul to strike out a deal for a unity govt. The idea of Washington trying to talk to the taliban directly is to get them to agree to share power, accept a constitution which will, among others, accept some of taliban's fundamental tenets of state and governance, force taliban to denounce any future support for anti-US islamist organizations. If the above happens then US can declare victory and pull out from Afghanistan with grace.
 

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There is if they can convince the taliban and the govt in Kabul to strike out a deal for a unity govt. The idea of Washington trying to talk to the taliban directly is to get them to agree to share power, accept a constitution which will, among others, accept some of taliban's fundamental tenets of state and governance, force taliban to denounce any future support for anti-US islamist organizations. If the above happens then US can declare victory and pull out from Afghanistan with grace.
Taliban has already declared current government and system as unislamic. Its not evn in ISIs hands to convince them
Also English and Daro translation of Afghan peace process highly differs i.e Taliban is fooling local audience
 

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Taliban has already declared current government and system as unislamic. Its not evn in ISIs hands to convince them
Also English and Daro translation of Afghan peace process highly differs i.e Taliban is fooling local audience
If taliban share power in government then it becomes Islamic, power brokers world over don't both with such trivia when so much is at stake. The real question is taliban willing to pay the cost demanded of them for that all enticing share in power.
 

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Logistics is not a big deal, we need a few companies of SF operators rotated out in a C-17 or two. They are more than enough to act as force multipliers in the short term. We could also ship 4-5 Tejas, LCH, Rudra as nice place for target practice on the talibs. The unwahsed abdul can't tell what hit em anyways.

I speak more of military sales of equipment as well, Afghan forces needs to propped up. Easy export access for Tejas MK-1/ 1A, Arjun, Dhruv, LCH, Ghatak rifles, Pinaka, Akash SAM etc.
We must not put any substantial amount of force in Afghanistan no matter what.

Best option is to have a few 2-3 squadrons of IAF combat jets deployed there along with SF units.
As for ground war,fund 4-5 divisions of Afghan army.

The day it looks that we Hindoos are fighting in Afghanistan to the afghans our op will be fucked.

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And as for material support supply them with old t-72 t-54 tanks and used/phased out equipment.

Equipment like LCA LCH ARJUN must never fall into paki hands.

Remember afghan army has crazy desertion rate.
 
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Mitra is shi**ing bricks talking about S-400 deal. Accd. to him that's going to be the downfall of India-US relations.
 

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I am steadfast fast on my opinion that what Trump said was of no value and Indians are overreacting. That utterances were due to some mismatch, misinterpretations and poor translation.
An outsider may not be able to make a distinction between both. And we all know India is in communication with USA on Pakistan sponsored terrorism in Kashmir. Heck Pakistani journalist Nazam Sethi can make an observation on this possibility but we are too fixated on declaring the USA our enemy.

Not briefed, you say?

Here :


Translation "while we are aware it is a bilateral issue, we still want to poke our nose"

These cards are planned in advance.
 

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Look at the clever use of words. He says "any engagement with Pakistan" would be strictly bilateral (and not just engagements related to Kashmir).

Contrast it with this hoopla :

"there's bombs all over Kashmir" that's a reiteration of Pakistan's propaganda about 'Indian militarization of Kashmir'.


Trump literally says "I've heard of Kashmir, I've heard it's a beautiful place". Really? the President of a country whose 30% funds sent for WOT get diverted to Kashmir has only heard of that place like someone made a passing reference?

They want us to believe they are stupid and they are testing how many transgressions we allow under the garb of that stupidity. It's a hit and miss for them. Once they are allowed to speak loosely on our strategic issues, they will keep pushing that line. It's a calculated play for them.

If someone chastises them for crossing the line, suddenly the next President will say "ohh..the previous one was an idiot, even we didn't take him seriously". That's how they invaded Iraq, and Afghanistan and Vietnam in a fit of stupidity. Stupidity is an asset for them so the country doesn't have to take collective responsibility for what they did. Democrats will say Bush was an idiot for invading a country. Republicans will say Democrats were stupid for giving weapons to terror groups in Syria to fight Assad.

The Democrats and Republicans have played a game of relay on Kashmir, all in the favor of their pet dog Pakistan, to the detriment of India. This is not a result of a one off slip of tongue or 'misinterpretation' by one idiot President. It's a long standing policy.
 
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"there's bombs all over Kashmir" that's a reiteration of Pakistan's propaganda about 'Indian militarization of Kashmir'.
Actually that's in India favor! He's clearly referring to the Pulwama car bomb by the Paki based Jihadis! Indian army doesn't set off bombs in Kashmir.

Also, Trump's pea sized brain cannot track of everything in Kashmir....he only remembers the Pulwama bombing because he got involved in forcing Pakis to release Abhinandan in its aftermath.

Indian principled stand against mediation notwithstanding.....lot of Pakis are pissed off with Trump's intention to mediate. It's kinda Pakis bluff getting called finally! They've always asked for mediation, because they know full well that India opposes it on principles (3,4,5 decades ago Pakis call for mediation meant something for Pakis because the world was in their favor....but right now they just repeat that just to rile India....knowing full well that any mediation in today's times benefits India).

It's only some flake Paki journalists who're excited, most Paki intellectuals/smart-analysts are shit scared! They know full well that any US mediation will actually result in LOC turned in an International Border!

So, just sit back and enjoy the show. India knows that Trump just blew his egotistical mouth, and will be willing to let it slide.
 

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More like a maintenance contract.



I HOPE that they go for the F 16 LK 70. It will eliminate them from the 114 RFI and Rafale will get selected!
Nope it just bones for them, they can't afford BLK 70 becoz it cost up to 90 mil per pice without weapons including weapons it will be 110 or 120 mil, mostly they get amram 120 c 7 for begging, LM not fool to dangers its goldan goose for unreliable porki, also if advnced BLK 70 given to them chinkis will be happy to measure APG 81aesa, and other combat system, US May be retards but not fools
 

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Not briefed, you say?

Here :


Translation "while we are aware it is a bilateral issue, we still want to poke our nose"

These cards are planned in advance.
This has been always USA stand. All you gotta do is prompt them to reiterate, which Pakistan did.

One can argue that Trump should have avoided it. Here at DFI I have said it many times that Diplomacy is more about ommissions and less about commissions. Trump is not known to be knowing either.

As far as this particular statement is a concern then it was made when there was an outrage in India. They were in a fix either to support India's stand and imply Trump is a lair; they went for an obvious 'Gol-Mol' statement.
 

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This has been always USA stand. All you gotta do is prompt them to reiterate, which Pakistan did.

One can argue that Trump should have avoided it. Here at DFI I have said it many times that Diplomacy is more about ommissions and less about commissions. Trump is not known to be knowing either.

As far as this particular statement is a concern then it was made when there was an outrage in India. They were in a fix either to support India's stand and imply Trump is a lair; they went for an obvious 'Gol-Mol' statement.
I am waiting for what @asianobserve jiiii has to say on this.
He says na USA IS YOUR MOST IMPORTANT PARTNER.
 

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