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Is this true? Can anyone confirm this about Super Sukhoi program?
["The upgraded Su-30MKIs will have an internal bomb bay and ability to supercruise."]
 

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Is this true? Can anyone confirm this about Super Sukhoi program?
["The upgraded Su-30MKIs will have an internal bomb bay and ability to supercruise."]
New engine developped for Pakfa may come in Super sukhoi, there are different news. Somebody says that Super MKI shall get new engine and somebody says they won't. New powerful engine will save a lots of fuel.
 

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New engine developped for Pakfa may come in Super sukhoi, there are different news. Somebody says that Super MKI shall get new engine and somebody says they won't. New powerful engine will save a lots of fuel.
I had asked about internal bomb bay and supercruise ability brother.
 

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Is this true? Can anyone confirm this about Super Sukhoi program?
["The upgraded Su-30MKIs will have an internal bomb bay and ability to supercruise."]
I do not think do because that will require massive airframe changes making the upgrade not much economical.....
 

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It will get super cruise ability only if it gets new engine. I do not know about internal weapon bay.
Changing the Su-30MKI engines (needed to reach supercruise ability) and making the structural upgrades needed for the new engines and for a closed weapon bay would be damn über-expensive on the plane.

If they were to follow this path they should directly go to new planes which can do these things from day 1. Like the FGFA, for instance. The -MKI is a great plane which desserves a decent MLU to bring it "up to date" but going such ways would be verrrrrrryyyyyy long and expensive :smile:
 

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Is this true? Can anyone confirm this about Super Sukhoi program?
["The upgraded Su-30MKIs will have an internal bomb bay and ability to supercruise."]
SUPERCRUISE yes as the engines will be changed to S117 from Su 35, the weigh less that AL31 on su30mki and have 144 to 147 KN of thrust. So yes for supercruise.

Internal bomb bays NO. Why? Too expensive and lots of structural changes which will be difficult to do and would mean a completely new pane. But having said that SUPER SUKHOI upgrade will have conformal bomb bays which can be fitted to pylons and sides of planes like US has done to F15 silent Eagle & F18 ASH.
 

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Changing the Su-30MKI engines (needed to reach supercruise ability) and making the structural upgrades needed for the new engines and for a closed weapon bay would be damn über-expensive on the plane.

If they were to follow this path they should directly go to new planes which can do these things from day 1. Like the FGFA, for instance. The -MKI is a great plane which desserves a decent MLU to bring it "up to date" but going such ways would be verrrrrrryyyyyy long and expensive :smile:
It will be same engine with improved thrust.
 

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Critical India-Russia Pact to Improve Fighter Aircraft Availability

MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE 14:30 04.01.2017 Get short URL 0 80 0 0 India and Russia are trying to correct the tardy supply of spares for fighter aircraft with a pact that would pave the way for local manufacturing of spares. This move should give further impetus to Indo-Russia defense ties. New Delhi (Sputnik) — India and Russia are at an advanced stage of signing a long-term arrangement that includes the manufacturing some of the spares of Russian-made aircraft being assembled in India. Sources say talks between both countries are at an advanced stage for setting up a logistics hub for its most lethal combat aircraft, the Su-30MKI, at the facilities of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in Bangalore. "Our status with Russia is much better than two years back. We have signed many of the contracts this year, very few are left. We are working on long-term arrangements including the manufacturing some of the spares in India. Earlier, there were some problems due to the need to change their [Russian] laws," Manohar Parrikar, India's Defense Minister, said. Sources told Sputnik that delegation level talks are scheduled in March to sign the contract for improving spare parts availability including manufacturing some of them in India. Meanwhile, a significant improvement has witnessed in the availability of Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft in last two years. "Sukhoi availability which had slipped to 46 per cent today is now above 63 per cent," Parrikar said. © SPUTNIK/ GRIGORI SYSOEV Delhi Wants to Ascertain Production, Export Right of Russia-India 5th Gen Fighter Aircraft Project The Indian Air Force (IAF) has finalized a long-term repair agreement with Russian original equipment manufacturers to improve the availability of aircraft for operational use. But it takes up to 18 months to deliver spare parts from Russia mainly due to cumbersome bureaucratic process and extensive documentation. The Indian government is of opinion that a logistic hub will further improve the availability of Sukhoi-30 from the current 63 per cent. Currently the IAF has over 200 Su-30MKI fighters in its fleet and is expected to receive more by 2019. India has contracted for the delivery of 272 Su-30MKI with Russia. 75 per cent of operational fighter aircraft in the IAF are of Russian origin. This includes MiG-21, MiG-27, MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighter aircraft. Parrikar has also asked Russia to speed up the supply of technical equipment for an aircraft carrier, currently under construction at Cochin shipyard, so that it is not too much behind schedule. Due to the delay in the supply of some critical components, the carrier's delivery schedule has been revised from December 2010 to December 2018. The original cost of $490 million has been revised to $2.9 billion. The delay is impairing India's maritime capabilities in the Indo-Pacific Region. India currently has lone Russian-made aircraft carrier in service whereas it needs a total of three.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201701041049247824-india-russia-fighter-aircraft-pact/
 

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The only way that an internal bomb bay is possible without changing the air frame is by putting a stealthy pod similar to whats suggested for F/A-18 Advanced super hornet, So with a new engine and this stealthy pod, it can have a stealthy weapons pod without tinkering the air frame, also can super cruise (if the engine is good)
su-30 MKI is a decent design, and I do not think much can be modified as Russians have Su-35 with better airframe and engine life. Thus only if there is development of a stealthy weapons pod for the flanker family then it can be more Stealthy (further to adding RAM coating)

Something like this has been reported in this link below in only 1st paragraph.
Link - https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/20160820.aspx
 

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Serviceability of Su-30, helicopter fleet have risen over 60 per cent: Manohar Parrikar

The serviceability rate of the Sukhoi Su-30 — a twin-engine multi-role fighter aircraft in service with the Indian Air Force — has risen to 60 per cent, said Union Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar at the Vibrant Gujarat Global Summit on Thursday.

The serviceability rate or the availability rate is the number of aircraft ready for missions at any given time. Parrikar while speaking at an aerospace and defence seminar at Mahatma Mandir said that along with the Sukhois, the serviceability rates of the helicopter fleet with the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force have also risen after Rs 400 crore was invested in setting up after-sales-service units for both Su-30 and the helicopters.

“When I became Raksha Mantri, I realised that the Su-30 (Sukois), the main fighter of Indian Air Force has a serviceability of 46 per cent. The helicopter fleet of the Indian Army and Air Force supplied through HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) had a serviceability of somewhere around 50 per cent. It is too low. The minimum international standards one expects is about 70-75 per cent. Sometimes you can even achieve 80 per cent-plus. Because making one fighter available more saves you the cost of buying a new fighter (aircraft). You have 300 fighters and only 150 or 140 are capable of taking on the task, I think you are not good. We decided to improve this,” Parrikar told to an audience that consisted of officials from the Ministry of Defence and firms operating in the defence sector.


“The biggest problem I faced was after sales service. Defence PSUs considered after sales service as an expense and not an investment. Virtually convincing them in setting up a after-sales-service unit at various Army locations, took us almost a year. Finally when the board agree and we set up the unit. Today I am happy to say that Su-30 has already achieved around 60 per cent of serviceability and the helicopter fleet is more than 65 per cent. That is an achievement simply by investing around Rs 400 crore,” he said.


“Customer satisfaction is so much important that in the first one year I was having complaints on a daily basis; today hardly any complaints come,” the minister said while narrating his experience.


Pointing to the proposed sale of “Akash” surface-to-air missiles to Vietnam, Parrikar said, “There is a strange mindset. For example the Akash exports, there was a thinking that how can we give our technology to a third country.”

“India after more than 30 years, has successfully developed its own artillery gun… Field trail has been completed for Dhanush,” he said while talking about the 155m artillery gun which is largely based on the Bofors gun, but has a longer range of about 10 kilometers. This gun will be part of the Republic Day parade on January 26, officials said.

“Another self-propelled gun — 155mm — is in the final stage of being ordered. This is a joint venture between Larsen & Tuboro and South Korea’s Samsung. It has more than 50 per cent of the components which are Made in India. The first slot, probably, will be ordered during the current financial year. This is one of the Make in India project,” Parrikar said.

Talking about the improvements done to the Pinaka, a multi-barrel rocket laucher system that has a range of 30 kilometers, he said, “Today, we have already successfully test fired a guided Pinaka for 65 kilometers. This will provide a tremendous boost to the capability of the armed forces, once it goes into production,” the minister said.

“During the current year, 95 per cent of the acceptance of necessity (AON), that means clearance for procurement are either IDDM (Indigenously Designed Developed and Manufactured) or Buy India. Which means, virtually 95 per cent of the almost Rs 96,000 crore worth of products for which we have given approvals this year, belongs to these two categories. That shows the importance of change in mindset in the procurement procedure. These are for capital procurement,” Parrikar said

“For the first time, defence items were being identified for private sector manufacturing. We are in the process of finalising the items and terms and conditions of the RFP (Request for Proposal),” Parrikar said.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...sen-over-60-percent-manohar-parrikar-4471113/
 

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Is this true? Can anyone confirm this about Super Sukhoi program?
["The upgraded Su-30MKIs will have an internal bomb bay and ability to supercruise."]
Super-cruise 100% with new Engines .


Conformal Weapons Bays like used in F-15SE Silent Eagle may be possible .
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there is a lot of space between Engines of Sukhoi 30 which can be utilized for this purpose >>




look at the Pak-fa weapon bays >>








@StealthFlanker Sir is it possible ??
 
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Super-cruise 100% with new Engines .


Conformal Weapons Bays like used in F-15SE Silent Eagle may be possible .View attachment 13018 View attachment 13019
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there is a lot of space between Engines of Sukhoi 30 which can be utilized for this purpose >>




look at the Pak-fa weapon bays >>








@StealthFlanker Sir is it possible ??
Super Sukhoi program for Su30MKi is expected to go Engine & Avionics upgrade only along with few optimization for reducing RCS with paints etc.

Changing complete AirFrame will be quite costly and time taking. Then, It will become better to buy New T50s.
 

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Just curiosity, Conformal Weapons Bays like used in F-15SE Silent is it possible in LCA Tejas???????
LCA Tejas will be too small for this ask.

F-15 are much larger than Tejas and blinks on enemy Radar.

Anyway, RCS for Tejas is smallest for all 4+ Gen fighter because of its size and composite materials used.
 

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Super Sukhoi program for Su30MKi is expected to go Engine & Avionics upgrade only along with few optimization for reducing RCS with paints etc.

Changing complete AirFrame will be quite costly and time taking. Then, It will become better to buy New T50s.
we dont have to do any structural changes for conformal weapon bays .....................look at the F-15 & f-18 .

A Su-30MKI is overhauled after flying 1,500 hours or 14 years, whichever is earlier (source )
 
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Now how well the Chinese would have modified their J-31 to rectify all these faults.. or its just simple copy paste job they would have done ..

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