Rustom 2/TAPAS/BH-201 MALE UAV News Updates and Discussions

[Azaad]

 

[NutCracker]

In reality ,Design was foolish, and expecting it to improve and achieve the desired result was Unrealistic.

The top management of the ADE team who managed this project, need to be sacked with their post retirement benefits revoked.
Those maggots probably already were compromised by lobby to create a project to fail .

 

[Chinmoy]

Gov is just gonna fund Archer ng if possible I have no hope rn even for that and needs to focus on turbo jet powered hale uavs @Chinmoy any insight in all the tapas drama what's going to happen?

Every development requires fund. But Gov can't go on and issue fund indefinitely to a project. Thanks to CAG.

So the easiest way for developers to get fund is to carry on the project in some other name. Now basically they are getting fund for the old project under a new name. It has been done before too.
Eg. Nirbhay/ ITCM/ ALCM/ SLCM.

There is one more such a surprise project which was declared TD long back and shut down.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[rkhanna]

From BR:

Courtesy: Neela (on BR)

" ... 8178873785

Summary below:

AnanthKrishnan:
- Tapas Project is now internal to DRDO. They will need to fund it themselves
- Not a mission mode project
- Armed Forces not interested
- Did not meet PSQR requirements

Angad Singh:
- Project not in mission mode is a good thing. Good project management
- Opinion: Airframe was overweight leading to altitude limitations. Issues with Data links.
- Existing drones perform better on endurance and altitude. Good call on cancelling program

AnanthKrishnan:
- Focus now on Archer NG
- Better specs and grounds up armed capability design
- Focus should be more on surveillance
- To fly in Q1/2024
- ARmed forces interested as its a complete weapons system. It is better than Heron
- Bigger picture :

Angad Singh:
- 2 things ailing our drones: Only ADE in Drone development. Why ADA, HAL not part of drone programmes. Second: new technology like Drones is new. Aircraft have iterative development. Not the case with drones. We missed the bus

Shiv:
Too many players in drones. Why is BEL developing drones? Waste of resources

AnanthKrishnan:
- Tried to do too many things with Tapas.
- All govt entities, private entities should come together and come with clear PSQR. Panchi closed. Nishant Closed. Rustom Closed.

Shiv:
- Govt needs to step in."

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

From BR:

Courtesy: Neela (on BR)

" ... 8178873785

Summary below:

AnanthKrishnan:
- Tapas Project is now internal to DRDO. They will need to fund it themselves
- Not a mission mode project
- Armed Forces not interested
- Did not meet PSQR requirements

Angad Singh:
- Project not in mission mode is a good thing. Good project management
- Opinion: Airframe was overweight leading to altitude limitations. Issues with Data links.
- Existing drones perform better on endurance and altitude. Good call on cancelling program

AnanthKrishnan:
- Focus now on Archer NG
- Better specs and grounds up armed capability design
- Focus should be more on surveillance
- To fly in Q1/2024
- ARmed forces interested as its a complete weapons system. It is better than Heron
- Bigger picture :

Angad Singh:
- 2 things ailing our drones: Only ADE in Drone development. Why ADA, HAL not part of drone programmes. Second: new technology like Drones is new. Aircraft have iterative development. Not the case with drones. We missed the bus

Shiv:
Too many players in drones. Why is BEL developing drones? Waste of resources

AnanthKrishnan:
- Tried to do too many things with Tapas.
- All govt entities, private entities should come together and come with clear PSQR. Panchi closed. Nishant Closed. Rustom Closed.

Shiv:
- Govt needs to step in."

What a shit show

 

[rkhanna]

What a shit show

Now Adani is going to sell an Israeli MALE drone painted in India. It will be lauded as some MakeInIndia success story. Zero r&d dollar spent. Zero capability developed in the country. All the Tax payer dollar spent on rustom flushed down the toilet.

This is our version of the Jf17 lol. Even Military officers are now selling it as indigenous in the media. Lol

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1745020072769540192?s=20 - 4 units of Hermes 900 were ordered in March 2023.2 Units each for
navy and army.Elbit delivered 4 SKDs (semi knocked down kits) to Adani Defence. These were partially assembled in Hyderabad.Even the tools for assembly came with the kit. How do you wrap your head around the blatant lie by DG AAC calling it 70% indigenised ?

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1744957285217259909?s=20 - Elbit Hermes 900 rebadged as Drishti 10 Starliner.This is why certain quarters wants
DRDO out of their way. There is a lot of money to be made in import , assembly and stickering without spending a dime on R&D. This sets a very wrong precedent and will open the floodgates for imports disguised as MakeInIndia. Very unfair to 100s of defence and space SMEs who are working their ass off trying to create complex products indigenously with own IP.

https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/17449 ... 42243?s=20 - Our version of "indigenous" JF17s.

https://x.com/Rishabh70366120/status/17 ... 87733?s=20 - This is what Tapas was killed for and the potential fate of every indigenous drone program.. Only if professional Adani haters could take up right issues..

Jai Ho

 

[rkhanna]

Who wants a bet that the Cats and other UCAV programs will also go this way 5-6 years from now ?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Who wants a bet that the Cats and other UCAV programs will also go this way 5-6 years from now ?

I can bet on CATS it will see progress since private company is involved in r&d too new space and Hal got this other ucav programs ur probably right they will be ditched off sooner than later it seems.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Make-2 procedure is a loohole. Not only 50% "made in India components" but make it 50% IPR mandatory ownership in "defence platforms" for Indian Private/Public companies.

 

[rkhanna]

I can bet on CATS it will see progress since private company is involved in r&d too new space and Hal got this other ucav programs ur probably right they will be ditched off sooner than later it seems.

Yea fair. forgot about that

 

[shade]

At this point, I am pretty sure higher-ups in ADE are compromised by foreign intelligence and hellbent on failing any and every project handed over to them.

This is the only reason that makes sense now, insane that we can't even make drones.

Now Adani is going to sell an Israeli MALE drone painted in India. It will be lauded as some MakeInIndia success story. Zero r&d dollar spent. Zero capability developed in the country. All the Tax payer dollar spent on rustom flushed down the toilet.

This is our version of the Jf17 lol. Even Military officers are now selling it as indigenous in the media. Lol

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1745020072769540192?s=20 - 4 units of Hermes 900 were ordered in March 2023.2 Units each for
navy and army.Elbit delivered 4 SKDs (semi knocked down kits) to Adani Defence. These were partially assembled in Hyderabad.Even the tools for assembly came with the kit. How do you wrap your head around the blatant lie by DG AAC calling it 70% indigenised ?

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1744957285217259909?s=20 - Elbit Hermes 900 rebadged as Drishti 10 Starliner.This is why certain quarters wants
DRDO out of their way. There is a lot of money to be made in import , assembly and stickering without spending a dime on R&D. This sets a very wrong precedent and will open the floodgates for imports disguised as MakeInIndia. Very unfair to 100s of defence and space SMEs who are working their ass off trying to create complex products indigenously with own IP.

https://x.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/17449 ... 42243?s=20 - Our version of "indigenous" JF17s.

https://x.com/Rishabh70366120/status/17 ... 87733?s=20 - This is what Tapas was killed for and the potential fate of every indigenous drone program.. Only if professional Adani haters could take up right issues..

Jai Ho

And then there's this, why not import the Israeli drones directly if they are so hell bent? why give Adani free money without him having to work for it?
Do they want Congis to bark about a real scam this time?

 

[thebakofbakchod]

This is the only reason that makes sense now, insane that we can't even make drones.



And then there's this, why not import the Israeli drones directly if they are so hell bent? why give Adani free money without him having to work for it?
Do they want Congis to bark about a real scam this time?

If only congress does bark about it, but instead they are ignoring it and keep barking about rafael.

 

[rkhanna]

At this point, I am pretty sure higher-ups in ADE are compromised by foreign intelligence and hellbent on failing any and every project handed over to them.

This is the only reason that makes sense now, insane that we can't even make drones.



And then there's this, why not import the Israeli drones directly if they are so hell bent? why give Adani free money without him having to work for it?
Do they want Congis to bark about a real scam this time?

This is a GOI issue - no need for conspiracy theories of ADE being compromised.

The Govt needs to win elections. Making Adani make drones serves that FAR more than importing.

Jai Ho

 

[shade]

This is a GOI issue - no need for conspiracy theories of ADE being compromised.

The Govt needs to win elections. Making Adani make drones serves that FAR more than importing.

Jai Ho

This is a non factor for elections winning.
This is more like giving Adani bijness so that he donates more to the ruling party or something of that sort.

It's actually shameful that we can't make drones but random countries like Turkey can, which leads me to believe that THE JEWS have compromised ADE.
Afterall US drones are too expensive, no idea about Russkie or French drones so there is only one (((arms merchant))) who can sell us some budget drones.

It must be like more than a decade i've been hearing about this Rustom drone, and it's not something complex like a fighter jet or engine for the fighter jet or helicopter that should be good for flying high-altitude like HAL Prachand

 

[rkhanna]

This is a non factor for elections winning.
This is more like giving Adani bijness so that he donates more to the ruling party or something of that sort

All Roads lead to Rome. The PR machinery is already at work.

It's actually shameful that we can't make drones but random countries like Turkey can, which leads me to believe that THE JEWS have compromised ADE.

Sorry but Turkey is not a Random Country - being a NATO member they have reaped the benefits of decades of R&D collab with other major nato weapon producers.

It must be like more than a decade i've been hearing about this Rustom drone, and it's not something complex

How is building a MALE drone not complex? Ofcourse not as a manned fixed wing. The prcoess of developing Aerial vehicles of ANY kinda has an unforgiving process and there are no short cuts. The chinese themselves have struggled. Otherwise they wouldnt be tyring to steal Predator Tech everytime they get an opportunity.

How many countries have MALE drone programs at scale?

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

Thank You Navy !!!!

Navy has Naval Design Bureau, Where is Air Force Design Bureau??

Navy is saving Tapas, what is the contribution of Imported Air Force ???

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

This is a non factor for elections winning.
This is more like giving Adani bijness so that he donates more to the ruling party or something of that sort.

It's actually shameful that we can't make drones but random countries like Turkey can, which leads me to believe that THE JEWS have compromised ADE.
Afterall US drones are too expensive, no idea about Russkie or French drones so there is only one (((arms merchant))) who can sell us some budget drones.

It must be like more than a decade i've been hearing about this Rustom drone, and it's not something complex like a fighter jet or engine for the fighter jet or helicopter that should be good for flying high-altitude like HAL Prachand

1. yes…the story does not make sense. Endurance and altitude are two basic requirements of any end user. In fact that is what characterizes a drone as MALE or HALE. It cannot be that the ADE did not know work on this for a decade. How can they build a drone for 10+ years and flight test with weightage that will not allow it to achieve the required altitude/endurance? Does not make sense at all.
2. Israel desperately needs Hermes drones for constant surveillance of its neighbors. ADAS already had exported 10 Hermes to Israel. The two delivered to IN were the 11th and 12th “made in India” Hermes.
3. What happens to Ghatak? This is in a totally different category. No one will share stealth drone technology. Given the poor leadership in DRDO for drones, I don’t think they can deliver on Ghatak as well.
4. Government should rather setup autonomous technology and vehicles development as a separate project with ISRO, top engineering institutes, private industry involved as well. Ghatak should be done collectively as well.

One consolation - Chinese WingLooong drones have been a failure too. Russian drones are nowhere. Turkish drones are ok. Iranian drones are in a different category. So, the MALE/HALE category has some ways to go.

But currently our armed forces have access to American Predators and Israeli Hermes drones both available in good numbers. DRDO drones are going to have a tough time winning orders from the users.

 

[mamamia12]

1. yes…the story does not make sense. Endurance and altitude are two basic requirements of any end user. In fact that is what characterizes a drone as MALE or HALE. It cannot be that the ADE did not know work on this for a decade. How can they build a drone for 10+ years and flight test with weightage that will not allow it to achieve the required altitude/endurance? Does not make sense at all.
2. Israel desperately needs Hermes drones for constant surveillance of its neighbors. ADAS already had exported 10 Hermes to Israel. The two delivered to IN were the 11th and 12th “made in India” Hermes.
3. What happens to Ghatak? This is in a totally different category. No one will share stealth drone technology. Given the poor leadership in DRDO for drones, I don’t think they can deliver on Ghatak as well.
4. Government should rather setup autonomous technology and vehicles development as a separate project with ISRO, top engineering institutes, private industry involved as well. Ghatak should be done collectively as well.

One consolation - Chinese WingLooong drones have been a failure too. Russian drones are nowhere. Turkish drones are ok. Iranian drones are in a different category. So, the MALE/HALE category has some ways to go.

But currently our armed forces have access to American Predators and Israeli Hermes drones both available in good numbers. DRDO drones are going to have a tough time winning orders from the users.

How are chinese WingLoong drones are failure. Iam not asking in a cynical way. I too never noticed them in action like all the overbloated propaganda created by bayraktar drones.

 

[mist_consecutive]

How are chinese WingLoong drones are failure. Iam not asking in a cynical way. I too never noticed them in action like all the overbloated propaganda created by bayraktar drones.

They have high crash rates. Whoever force has bought them not one are satisifed with it, all are looking for replacement.