PLA 15th Airborne Corps Along LAC

[Kunal Biswas]

Thread Updated:

Page 1: New arty types can be drop-able from IL-76..
http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=17029&page=1

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Thread Updated:
http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=17029&page=1
In the Chopper section, Adding of MI-26T..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Thread Updated :
New SP motar system can fire 120 rnd per min at page 1, Also adding 2 motars of 81 & 60mm of towed version ..
http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=17029&page=1

 

[marshal panda]

PLA`s 15th Airborne Corps (Part of RRU ) Equipment Pics Details and documentary!

video not available.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

video not available.

Yes, they are put off

 

[Ray]

15th Airborne Corps to acts as a principal force employed for independent campaign missions in future wars. It is now accepted that the airborne troops should be used for pre-emptive attack on the enemy's key military targets in the rear area in order to paralyze or disrupt its preparation for an offensive. This kind of large-scale mission cannot be conducted without having a total control in the air. Also, a single-lift capability of 50,000 men is required for this type of missions.

The information collated is real good work.

However, airlift in one single lift with troops, equipment and weapons will not be feasible because of lack of air transport as also because of the hostile air environment.

One can do the Staff check for the Airborne 50,000 with weapons, equipment, weapons platform, combat support arms and their equipment, combat service support and so on.

Hence, to be effective in enemy's rear areas is a moot point.

Even if the Airhead concept is used, air supply would be difficult and the enemy's anti AB reaction will be heavy. If they resort to multiple airheads to dissipate enemy's anti AB effort, then some airheads may hold but then they may not be critical over a large span of time as enemy reserve will be brought to bear on them apart from hostile air.

One also cannot rule out local reaction as it was experience in the Airborne effort at Crete.

 

[Ray]

Specifications (Il-76TD-90)



General characteristics

Crew: 5
Capacity: 50,000 kg (Il-76)[nb 1]
Payload: 50 tonnes ()
Length: 46.59 m (152 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 50.5 m (165 ft 8 in)
Height: 14.76 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 300.0 m² (3,229.2 ft²)
Empty weight: 92,500 kg (Il-76TD-90)[nb 2] (203,962 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 195,000 kg (Il-76)[nb 3] (429,975 lb (Il-76TD-90))
Powerplant: 4 × Aviadvigatel PS-90-76 turbofans, 171 kN (38,367 lbf) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 900 km/h (490 kt, 560 mph,) Mach 0.82 depending on altitude
Range: 4,300 km (Il-76)[nb 4] () with 50 tonne max payload
Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,700 ft)
Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)
Wing loading: 566.7 kg/m² (Il-76M/T)[nb 5] (116.05 lb/ft² (Il-76M/T), 129.72 lb/ft² (Il-76MD/TD))
Thrust/weight: (Il-76)[nb 6]
minimal landing run: 450 m with thrust reversal

Armament

Guns: 2× 23 mm cannon in radar-directed manned turret at base of tail
Bombs: Some military models have 2 hardpoints under each outer wing capable of supporting 500 kg bombs.

Notes:

^ 60,000 kg for the IL-76MF/TF
^ 92,000 kg (Il-76MD/TD), 104,000 kg (Il-76MF/TF)
^ for other models: 170,000 kg (Il-76M/T), 190,000 kg Il-76MD/TD), 210,000 kg (Il-76MF/TF)
^ 4,000 km (Il-76M/T), 4,400 km (Il-76MD/TD), 4,200 km (Il-76MF/TF)
^ 633.3 kg/m² (Il-76MD/TD)
^ 0.282 (Il-76M/T), 0.252 (Il-76MD/TD), 0.228 (Il-76MF/TF)

Can carry 140 soldiers or 125 paratroopers.

 

[Ray]

I concede that PLAAF cn do miracles.

Give us the Staff Checks.

Then we will be satisfied.

Airey fairy stuff does not a campaign make!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Regarding 1988 drop, I have crated a new thread:

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/35772-pla-15th-div-para-drop-tibet-1988-hoax.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

video not available.

Specifications (Il-76TD-90)

Videos Reloaded:

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15div Armored vehicles, Tactics employed, Para dropping, assembling etc..

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Armored vehicles, Fast attack vehicles, tactics, jungle warfare, para jump

PART-3
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physiological warfare training, Urban combat training, Marine training, tactics..

 

[sunnyv]

@Kunal
What is likely ORBAT of PLA for NEFA region . Deployment of RRU and Air-Borne DIV along Tawang/Tibet border ??? any idea.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

@Kunal
What is likely ORBAT of PLA for NEFA region . Deployment of RRU and Air-Borne DIV along Tawang/Tibet border ??? any idea.

That much detail i dont know, But the estimated strength of PLA is known in TAR, 15th Airborne is part of the total strength..

 

[marshal panda]

One has to keep the powder dry and be prepared for the worst case scenario.

 

[sunnyv]

That much detail i dont know, But the estimated strength of PLA is known in TAR, 15th Airborne is part of the total strength..

15th Airborne can't be part of TAR ,
15 air corps and its 43,44,45 airborne Div have corps/Div HQ in NANJING and JINAN Mil Regions .
They can only be part of strategic reserve force , and so deployable to theater of war only after 48-72 hrs . Although they can operate as independent Div/Brig force but such massive mobilisation can be always traced and picked up on RISAT platforms . And that gives us time to deploy our special forces/reserve force in that region by same time .

Considering ORBAT status of 62 as per Brig Dalvi refernce " Great Himalyan Blunder " main thrust in limited symetric / asymetric conflict would be in NEFA near TAWANG border .
In image I have demarcated PLA BDR with 1,4,6,5 regiments same as were in 62 . ( MIl symb not used ).

We have 3,33 and 4 corps guarding this border + a new strike corps likely to come up in Panagarh . Perfect strength for a delibrate defence ??

 

[badguy2000]

until china could massdeploy y20,pla can not support corps~level frog~heaping military action

 

[tharun]

15th Airborne can't be part of TAR ,
15 air corps and its 43,44,45 airborne Div have corps/Div HQ in NANJING and JINAN Mil Regions .
They can only be part of strategic reserve force , and so deployable to theater of war only after 48-72 hrs . Although they can operate as independent Div/Brig force but such massive mobilisation can be always traced and picked up on RISAT platforms . And that gives us time to deploy our special forces/reserve force in that region by same time .

Considering ORBAT status of 62 as per Brig Dalvi refernce " Great Himalyan Blunder " main thrust in limited symetric / asymetric conflict would be in NEFA near TAWANG border .
In image I have demarcated PLA BDR with 1,4,6,5 regiments same as were in 62 . ( MIl symb not used ).

We have 3,33 and 4 corps guarding this border + a new strike corps likely to come up in Panagarh . Perfect strength for a delibrate defence ??

May i know where did u got above map with options send me link.

 

[DBF1954]

To sort out some of the Information regarding the 15th Army Corps: One Division is in Henan but two are in Hubei province. The regiment numbers are below as well. It's not realistic to expect such a unit to serve in Tibet as it is not equipped nor trained to be there. Also the entire three Divisions have only one regiment with transport planes also stationed in Hubei province.

Remember the Vietnam War? One single airmobile Division like the 1st Cavalry Division had around 470 helicopters available. We talk here about 1965, exactly 50 years ago. Today a truly airmobile Army Corps would need five or ten times more. On top of that also airports, supply facilities and a few hundred airplanes.
Show me the pictures of even 5% of that in Tibet.

1、空降兵第43师，代号95900部队，驻河南开封
（1）第127团，代号95985部队，为空降摩步团
（2）第128团，代号95982部队，为空降摩步团
（3）第129团，代号95936部队，为空降炮兵团
43th Airborne Division, Kaifeng, Henan Province


2、空降兵第44师，代号95971部队，驻湖北广水
（1）第130团，代号95964部队
（2）第131团，代号95918部队，为空降炮兵团
（3）应山场站，代号95832部队，44师师属场站
44th Airborne Division, Guangshui, Hubei Province


3、空降兵第45师，代号95942部队，驻湖北黄陂
（1）第132团，代号95963部队，为空降炮兵团
（2）第133团，代号95944部队
（3）第134团，代号95969部队，为空降摩步团
45th Airborne Division, Huangpi (Wuhan), Hubei Province

http://www.baike.com/wiki/中国人民解放军空降兵第15军

 

[Hari Sud]

Kunal Biswas

I am looking forward to discussion on the LAC action, both in the past (1962 & 1967) and how the future unfolds.

I am keen, if you permit discussion on Indian Army failures at SELA Pass in 1962. The forgoing (Part 2) of the Lt Gen. TB Henderson Brooks report has not been published. The Part 1 covers only the political failures of Nehru & Menon.

Everything Chinese have militarily, has been in summary, posted by your good self. Now the readers would like to read about Indian counter punch waiting the invading Chinese troops, both now and upcoming in next five years. Indian rapid reaction force is being readied just about now.

There is a uncertainty for the invading Chinese troops as well as defending Indian troops and route to follow by each in the mountainous terrain to punch and counter punch. The roads in Tibet are much better developed because it is a plateau. Roads where peaks and valleys are 18000 feet and drop to 8000 feet on Indian side are difficult to build or maintain. How much trouble the invading Chinese force will face and what logistic issues for them would arise as they descend down very few passes in the mountains?

 

[Hari Sud]

To sort out some of the Information regarding the 15th Army Corps: One Division is in Henan but two are in Hubei province. The regiment numbers are below as well. It's not realistic to expect such a unit to serve in Tibet as it is not equipped nor trained to be there. Also the entire three Divisions have only one regiment with transport planes also stationed in Hubei province.

Remember the Vietnam War? One single airmobile Division like the 1st Cavalry Division had around 470 helicopters available. We talk here about 1965, exactly 50 years ago. Today a truly airmobile Army Corps would need five or ten times more. On top of that also airports, supply facilities and a few hundred airplanes.
Show me the pictures of even 5% of that in Tibet.

1、空降兵第43师，代号95900部队，驻河南开封
（1）第127团，代号95985部队，为空降摩步团
（2）第128团，代号95982部队，为空降摩步团
（3）第129团，代号95936部队，为空降炮兵团
43th Airborne Division, Kaifeng, Henan Province


2、空降兵第44师，代号95971部队，驻湖北广水
（1）第130团，代号95964部队
（2）第131团，代号95918部队，为空降炮兵团
（3）应山场站，代号95832部队，44师师属场站
44th Airborne Division, Guangshui, Hubei Province


3、空降兵第45师，代号95942部队，驻湖北黄陂
（1）第132团，代号95963部队，为空降炮兵团
（2）第133团，代号95944部队
（3）第134团，代号95969部队，为空降摩步团
45th Airborne Division, Huangpi (Wuhan), Hubei Province

http://www.baike.com/wiki/中国人民解放军空降兵第15军

Need translation. Not too many people in India can read the above.

 

[DBF1954]

Basically the table lists what number of regiments are part of which division. It also lists the code number under which those units are reported in the media in China.

For example the 43th Division has the code number 95900.
The 127th and 128th airborne motorized infantry regiments and 129th airborne artillery regiment are the main subunits of this division. The code numbers for the regiments are 95985, 95982 and 95936.

If someone wants to know more information about the above units, the code numbers are useful when looking for a unit in the Chinese internet. The number is combined with the term "unit" in Chinese. For example 95936部队 Now you may see more photos:

Website of 15th Army Corps:
http://www.15kjb.com/

For artillery for example: http://www.15kjb.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2776

Jumping: http://www.15kjb.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2827