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If the swap in Gilgit, then we'll definitely see some sort of clashes, maybe minor ones. But we'll surely see.

China is already taking lot of heat on trade war. They'd definitely don't want to fight a real war especially when winter and elections are upon us.

If there is Indo China conflict, and if we could get back all the parts of lost Kashmir, that would be.......well I am dreaming a lot.

Land swap would most likely Gwadar port. But is China ready to fight BLF (obviously armed by CIA). Pak Army and soon Iran might support (mostly indirectly). If China takes land swap i.e Gwadar Port, then it will be a cluster fuck. China might get it's own Vietnam. US, definitely makes sure of it.

I think land swap is out of question, at least not when Modi is around. Plus China knows about Paki terror institutions and their ability to attack Chinese.
1963 land swap was conditional and not absolute. There is a clause that says the land will be negotiated once Kashmir dispute is settled.

Also, current land of PoK is settled with people. Why will China take such land and then get additional menace and mouths to feed? Earlier land swap only had barren land and China needed it for getting access to some pass to connect Tibet with Xinjiang
 

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If the swap in Gilgit, then we'll definitely see some sort of clashes, maybe minor ones. But we'll surely see.

China is already taking lot of heat on trade war. They'd definitely don't want to fight a real war especially when winter and elections are upon us.

If there is Indo China conflict, and if we could get back all the parts of lost Kashmir, that would be.......well I am dreaming a lot.

Land swap would most likely Gwadar port. But is China ready to fight BLF (obviously armed by CIA). Pak Army and soon Iran might support (mostly indirectly). If China takes land swap i.e Gwadar Port, then it will be a cluster fuck. China might get it's own Vietnam. US, definitely makes sure of it.

I think land swap is out of question, at least not when Modi is around. Plus China knows about Paki terror institutions and their ability to attack Chinese.
It is said history repeats itself. Well I am intrigued to ask, can someone point out similar investment done by one country in another country and then usurp and take away land or fight a war with same country, in the past? If we can relate what's going on in Pakistan today with any such similar event of past, I think we can predict accurately what's going to happen in future.
 

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It is said history repeats itself. Well I am intrigued to ask, can someone point out similar investment done by one country in another country and then usurp and take away land or fight a war with same country, in the past? If we can relate what's going on in Pakistan today with any such similar event of past, I think we can predict accurately what's going to happen in future.
There is exactly such an example in History. You know about it too. It's called the British East India company.
 

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There is exactly such an example in History. You know about it too. It's called the British East India company.
No I don't think that fits this example. I may be wrong. The British never loaned Indian government. Infact there was no government at all at that time. I think Russia Afghan war could be closest as russRus intervened to support commie govt against islamists. Prior to that Russia had huge investment in afghAfghani and was contemplating increasing military presence till Pakistan border. That could have been detrimental to US intrests. And war followed.
 

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No I don't think that fits this example. I may be wrong. The British never loaned Indian government. Infact there was no government at all at that time. I think Russia Afghan war could be closest as russRus intervened to support commie govt against islamists. Prior to that Russia had huge investment in afghAfghani and was contemplating increasing military presence till Pakistan border. That could have been detrimental to US intrests. And war followed.
There was no Indian government but there were the governments of numerous Indian kingdoms who fell into similar economic traps set up by the British.
 

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There was no Indian government but there were the governments of numerous Indian kingdoms who fell into similar economic traps set up by the British.
None actually took loans from British. They in fact granted aid to British which made British set up factories which was later fortified.
 

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Behind the scenes...

Asif Ghafoor, "Bhai FM Qureshi, please ask Trump to give us aid please"

FM Qureshi, "Tu khud kyu nehi bol dete"

Asif Ghafoor, "Arey yaar, maine kuch mahiney pehle openly bola thha ki Pakistan ko aid nehi chahiye ijjat ke badley"

FM Qureshi, "Accha Accha, seedha bol dena tera phati hui hai, kyunki ye Pakistan ka nehi, tere ijjat ka sawal hai"

Asif Ghafoor, "Kuch aisa he samjho, ab jao na please"

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Foreign exchange: SBP reserves drop to critical level of $8.4b

KARACHI: The foreign exchange reserves held by the central bank continued to spiral downwards for the sixth successive week as they plummeted 6.95% on a weekly basis, according to data released on Thursday.

The continued drop in the reserves raises concerns about Pakistan’s ability to meet its financing requirements as the reserves have fallen even below the $8.5-billion level.

Talks with the International Monetary Fund had been going on to discuss terms for a possible bailout. The Fund has suggested to Islamabad to raise interest rates to double digits and let the currency weaken by at least 15% more in the current fiscal year.
 

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This is what surprises me. How did China even allow the porkis to talk to KSA about joining CPEC. Porkis can't decide alone who joins. China is the daddy who makes calls on who gets to join.
Well!! IMO, its pakis trying a hand to bring KSA in showing their economic vulnerability to chinese, as if china doesnt know.
The more pakis become beggars the less they become choosers :D
pakis need money badly cuz everything is on the ruin when it comes to pak economy. So they must have thought china would accept the proposition as the pipeline project is beneficial for china as well as KSA.
BUT
china will never let any ME nation control the vital interests of chinese. chinese will be the ones who will pimp pakistan.
 

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Well!! IMO, its pakis trying a hand to bring KSA in showing their economic vulnerability to chinese, as if china doesnt know.
The more pakis become beggars the less they become choosers :D
pakis need money badly cuz everything is on the ruin when it comes to pak economy. So they must have thought china would accept the proposition as the pipeline project is beneficial for china as well as KSA.
BUT
china will never let any ME nation control the vital interests of chinese. chinese will be the ones who will pimp pakistan.
That's the paki problem. They think just because they have atami bum, they are entitled to get everything. Not True.

Anyways, doesn't matter now. This was another usual paki lie. Yesterday's news shows pakis lied about KSA joining CPEC.

I think they just lied to the people to show them there was some outcome of Imran's visit to KSA and he did not just go there to visit Kabaa
 

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Reserves see sharpest fall in years, drop by $627m

Economists and senior bankers have urged the government to take immediate action and make an announcement on already-delayed strategy to deal with the depleting foreign exchange reserves.

In March the country’s net reserves were reported as negative by the IMF. Today net reserves stand around negative $7.7bn, if one subtracts the pre-determined short term drains on foreign reserves given on the State Bank website from the total reserves figure released today
 

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What pakis fail to understand is that most of these properties belong to higher ups of Army personnel. Unka property kaise loge ?!!?

Govt forms asset recovery unit to probe foreign properties


Speaking at a joint news conference with Information Minister Fawad Chaudhary on Friday, Akbar said that members of the unit had been selected. He said the unit had so far received details of more than 10,000 properties, most of which were in Dubai and England.

 

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IMF asks Pak for more monetary policy tightening exchange rate flexibility

A staff team from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), led by Harald Finger, visited Islamabad from September 27-October 4, 2018 to discuss Pakistan’s economic situation and exchange views on necessary policies for economic stabilization and sustainable and inclusive growth. At the end of the visit, Finger made the following statement:
“Pakistan is facing an increasingly difficult economic situation, with high fiscal and current account deficits, and low international reserves. This mostly reflects the legacy of an overvalued exchange rate, loose fiscal policy and accommodative monetary policy. The fast rise in international oil prices, normalization of US monetary policy, and tightening financial conditions for emerging markets are adding to this difficult picture. In this environment, economic growth will likely slow significantly, and inflation will rise.
 

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That's the paki problem. They think just because they have atami bum, they are entitled to get everything. Not True.

Anyways, doesn't matter now. This was another usual paki lie. Yesterday's news shows pakis lied about KSA joining CPEC.

I think they just lied to the people to show them there was some outcome of Imran's visit to KSA and he did not just go there to visit Kabaa
With CPEC, Pakistan risks Chinese anger by courting Saudi Arabia


The Khan administration is making political hay with the China Pakistan Economic Corridor – including efforts to reduce potential IMF loans and avoid becoming the focus of a confrontation between the US and China

6 Oct 2018
Since 2015, Beijing has insisted that the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the showcase project of President Xi Jinping’s “Belt and Road Initiative”, is purely an economic programme – as its name suggests.

Apparently, the new Pakistani administration of Prime Minister Imran Khan did not receive the memo. In the space of a couple of weeks, it has taken two decisions which have cast the CPEC as a bargaining chip in Pakistan’s complicated, ill-managed relationships with other key partners.

First, it has suddenly reduced the potential value of the CPEC programme to US$50 billion by 2030, down from US$62 billion. In one fell swoop, it decided to starve the western overland route from Xinjiang to the Chinese-operated Arabian Sea port of Gwadar of funding.


Pakistan is also considering slashing its planned spending on a CPEC project to rehabilitate its horribly outdated national railways network. Priced at about US$8 billion, it would constitute the single largest project of the enormous programme.

These drastic measures are part of Khan’s urgent response to an unsustainable current account deficit, which is currently at a record level, and severely depleted foreign exchange reserves. Viewed from his perspective, these issues were brought about, in part, by the greedy enthusiasm of his ousted predecessor, Nawaz Sharif, for the CPEC. Sharif failed to foresee the impact of massive inflows of Chinese machinery on Pakistan’s external finances, which have been kept afloat – barely – by a series of emergency Chinese loans and central bank deposits this year.

Economists are convinced Pakistan has little choice but to apply to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for a balance of payments bailout. Already, it is clear that any prospective bailout would come at a steep political price. US secretary of state Mike Pompeo has vowed to ensure that any :rofl:American taxpayer money lent to Pakistan by the Bretton Woods institution would not be used to settle its Chinese debts.:rofl: Accordingly, the IMF mission to Islamabad pushed for greater disclosure about CPEC project contracts.

This raises a poignant question: was the Khan administration’s decision to dump the western CPEC route an attempt to persuade the US to soften its line on multilateral financial assistance?

The answer may lie across the border in Iran, the target of the sanctions-driven Middle East agenda of US President Donald Trump. CPEC’s western route offered China an opportunity to develop an overland belt and road extension into Iran – a natural destination, given the considerable investments it made after the 2015 multilateral deal on Tehran’s nuclear programme.

Not any more.



Pakistan’s second decision, to invite Saudi Arabia to develop a massive refinery complex at Gwadar, certainly suggests the CPEC is being manipulated to serve ends other than China’s.
The reformist Saudi administration of Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman has courted the Trump administration to counter Iran’s growing role across the Middle East, and was delighted when Washington abandoned the nuclear deal struck by former president Barack Obama. Riyadh must be salivating at the prospect of setting up a strategic oil reserve 120km from Pakistan’s border with Iran. Tehran, on the other hand, would be foaming at the mouth at this brazen attempt to undermine its flailing economy.



Asad Umar, the Pakistani finance minister, has admitted China was not informed about the prospective Saudi investment at Gwadar, the CPEC’s crowning glory. It was merely told that Pakistan planned to involve unspecified third-party investors, an idea China has always been open to because of the broader objectives of the belt and road plan.

Beijing had no idea the Khan administration was seeking to leverage Gwadar to persuade the Saudis to provide Pakistan with oil on a deferred-payment basis, so as to ease the pressure on its forex reserves and reduce the amount it would need to borrow from the IMF.

:rofl:It must have been alarmed to learn the identity of the mystery investor,:rofl: and then to hear Pakistan’s information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, describe the Saudi project as part of the CPEC. He hastily backtracked the next day, but not before strengthening the impression that the Khan administration was not being entirely honest or sincere with its “iron brother”.


The reasons for its duplicity are clear enough. Pakistan is uncomfortable with the prospect of becoming the focal point of an economic confrontation between the US and China that threatens to escalate into a 21st-century cold war. It has also noted that talks are under way to bring India into the fold of the counter-belt-and-road fund recently launched by the US and Japan, and that the European Union has unveiled similar plans to resist China’s economic expansionism.

Pakistan’s economic and strategic circumstances simply do not accord it the luxury of taking sides in a stand-off between behemoths, all of which it is beholden to. This promises to invigorate the conversations to be held during Khan’s forthcoming visit to China.

Officially, China will persist with the position that it is working to develop the CPEC in accordance with Pakistan’s wishes. It may seek to placate Khan by agreeing to improve the terms of existing and future CPEC project agreements, reschedule some of the bilateral debt, and relax tariff barriers for Pakistani exports. But Xi must be wondering whether the calculated gamble of showcasing his signature initiative in Pakistan is going to pay off or backfire. ■

Tom Hussain is an Islamabad-based journalist and Pakistan affairs analyst



SOURCE: SCMP

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opin...tan-risks-chinese-anger-courting-saudi-arabia
 

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With CPEC, Pakistan risks Chinese anger by courting Saudi Arabia


The Khan administration is making political hay with the China Pakistan Economic Corridor – including efforts to reduce potential IMF loans and avoid becoming the focus of a confrontation between the US and China

6 Oct 2018
Since 2015, Beijing has insisted that the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the showcase project of President Xi Jinping’s “Belt and Road Initiative”, is purely an economic programme – as its name suggests.

Apparently, the new Pakistani administration of Prime Minister Imran Khan did not receive the memo. In the space of a couple of weeks, it has taken two decisions which have cast the CPEC as a bargaining chip in Pakistan’s complicated, ill-managed relationships with other key partners.

First, it has suddenly reduced the potential value of the CPEC programme to US$50 billion by 2030, down from US$62 billion. In one fell swoop, it decided to starve the western overland route from Xinjiang to the Chinese-operated Arabian Sea port of Gwadar of funding.


Pakistan is also considering slashing its planned spending on a CPEC project to rehabilitate its horribly outdated national railways network. Priced at about US$8 billion, it would constitute the single largest project of the enormous programme.

These drastic measures are part of Khan’s urgent response to an unsustainable current account deficit, which is currently at a record level, and severely depleted foreign exchange reserves. Viewed from his perspective, these issues were brought about, in part, by the greedy enthusiasm of his ousted predecessor, Nawaz Sharif, for the CPEC. Sharif failed to foresee the impact of massive inflows of Chinese machinery on Pakistan’s external finances, which have been kept afloat – barely – by a series of emergency Chinese loans and central bank deposits this year.

Economists are convinced Pakistan has little choice but to apply to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for a balance of payments bailout. Already, it is clear that any prospective bailout would come at a steep political price. US secretary of state Mike Pompeo has vowed to ensure that any :rofl:American taxpayer money lent to Pakistan by the Bretton Woods institution would not be used to settle its Chinese debts.:rofl: Accordingly, the IMF mission to Islamabad pushed for greater disclosure about CPEC project contracts.

This raises a poignant question: was the Khan administration’s decision to dump the western CPEC route an attempt to persuade the US to soften its line on multilateral financial assistance?

The answer may lie across the border in Iran, the target of the sanctions-driven Middle East agenda of US President Donald Trump. CPEC’s western route offered China an opportunity to develop an overland belt and road extension into Iran – a natural destination, given the considerable investments it made after the 2015 multilateral deal on Tehran’s nuclear programme.

Not any more.



Pakistan’s second decision, to invite Saudi Arabia to develop a massive refinery complex at Gwadar, certainly suggests the CPEC is being manipulated to serve ends other than China’s.
The reformist Saudi administration of Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman has courted the Trump administration to counter Iran’s growing role across the Middle East, and was delighted when Washington abandoned the nuclear deal struck by former president Barack Obama. Riyadh must be salivating at the prospect of setting up a strategic oil reserve 120km from Pakistan’s border with Iran. Tehran, on the other hand, would be foaming at the mouth at this brazen attempt to undermine its flailing economy.



Asad Umar, the Pakistani finance minister, has admitted China was not informed about the prospective Saudi investment at Gwadar, the CPEC’s crowning glory. It was merely told that Pakistan planned to involve unspecified third-party investors, an idea China has always been open to because of the broader objectives of the belt and road plan.

Beijing had no idea the Khan administration was seeking to leverage Gwadar to persuade the Saudis to provide Pakistan with oil on a deferred-payment basis, so as to ease the pressure on its forex reserves and reduce the amount it would need to borrow from the IMF.

:rofl:It must have been alarmed to learn the identity of the mystery investor,:rofl: and then to hear Pakistan’s information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, describe the Saudi project as part of the CPEC. He hastily backtracked the next day, but not before strengthening the impression that the Khan administration was not being entirely honest or sincere with its “iron brother”.


The reasons for its duplicity are clear enough. Pakistan is uncomfortable with the prospect of becoming the focal point of an economic confrontation between the US and China that threatens to escalate into a 21st-century cold war. It has also noted that talks are under way to bring India into the fold of the counter-belt-and-road fund recently launched by the US and Japan, and that the European Union has unveiled similar plans to resist China’s economic expansionism.

Pakistan’s economic and strategic circumstances simply do not accord it the luxury of taking sides in a stand-off between behemoths, all of which it is beholden to. This promises to invigorate the conversations to be held during Khan’s forthcoming visit to China.

Officially, China will persist with the position that it is working to develop the CPEC in accordance with Pakistan’s wishes. It may seek to placate Khan by agreeing to improve the terms of existing and future CPEC project agreements, reschedule some of the bilateral debt, and relax tariff barriers for Pakistani exports. But Xi must be wondering whether the calculated gamble of showcasing his signature initiative in Pakistan is going to pay off or backfire. ■

Tom Hussain is an Islamabad-based journalist and Pakistan affairs analyst



SOURCE: SCMP

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opin...tan-risks-chinese-anger-courting-saudi-arabia
Basically Pakistani Bitch is getting 3-way gangbang, Uncle Sam, LIZARD chinkies & now Saudi Shiekh all are claiming porki Bitch to be their property and if Porki Bitch sleeps with uncle or Shiekh, Lizard doesn't like it and slaps Bitch, similarly Uncle doesn't like his Bitch sleeping with Lizard and so on. However BITCH needs huge amount of money and is ready to sleep with all 3 but no one likes other's used BITCH.....:pound::pound::pound:
 

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Basically Pakistani Bitch is getting 3-way gangbang, Uncle Sam, LIZARD chinkies & now Saudi Shiekh all are claiming porki Bitch to be their property and if Porki Bitch sleeps with uncle or Shiekh, Lizard doesn't like it and slaps Bitch, similarly Uncle doesn't like his Bitch sleeping with Lizard and so on. However BITCH needs huge amount of money and is ready to sleep with all 3 but no one likes other's used BITCH.....:pound::pound::pound:
paki bitch is going a step further than gangbang and is now into humiliation and BDSM games :D
pakis love it when India humiliates them paki bitch in front of the UN.
and now pakis are taking the risk of BDSM with US Master, chinchong Mastaaa and Sheikh daddy
 

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Basically Pakistani Bitch is getting 3-way gangbang, Uncle Sam, LIZARD chinkies & now Saudi Shiekh all are claiming porki Bitch to be their property and if Porki Bitch sleeps with uncle or Shiekh, Lizard doesn't like it and slaps Bitch, similarly Uncle doesn't like his Bitch sleeping with Lizard and so on. However BITCH needs huge amount of money and is ready to sleep with all 3 but no one likes other's used BITCH.....:pound::pound::pound:
She's a cheap whore. Gets gang banged time and again. She begs for money for getting banged. Bangers don't give a flying fcuk.
 

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Pakistan will have to take tough decisions if US blocks bailout

It means that these projects effectively stimulated a declining Chinese economy – at the expense of Islamabad’s.

However, Islamabad is in a state of denial. The public realises there are grave problems associated with finances of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) but the inexperienced incumbent government is largely unaware of the extent of those problems.

The 2015 deal to borrow from China has led to the climax of years of fiscal weakness and the debt trap. With billions already spent on Gwadar, we have yet to see any economic dividends from the development of this container-shipping hub.

Instead, since 2016, Pakistan has witnessed essentially a continued currency crisis with the economy heading into stagflation – a pungent combination of recession and high unemployment.

If the US pulls the plug on an IMF bailout package, the new government in Islamabad will have to make tough decisions. Blocking IMF loans is just a small part of this back-and-forth game between the US and Pakistan that began 70 years ago. What is different this time is that Beijing is now part of the equation.
 

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US opposes IMF bailout for Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: A day after US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned against any International Monetary Fund (IMF) bailout that helps China, Pakistan has vowed that ‘third parties’ cannot weaken its resolve as it undertakes its biggest infrastructure and energy development plan with the help of Beijing.

“Make no mistake. We will be watching what the IMF does,” Pompeo said in an interview with CNBC television. “There’s no rationale for IMF tax dollars, and associated with that American dollars that are part of the IMF funding, for those to go to bail out Chinese bondholders or China itself,” Pompeo said.

In response, Pakistan’s Ministry of Finance decried the statement, saying that third parties cannot weaken the country’s resolve in making CPEC a success.

“Third parties cannot weaken our collective resolve to make CPEC a success story,” stated the Ministry of Finance while responding to a question on the implications of Pompeo’s statement.
 

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