Naxals/Maoists Watch

[WARREN SS]

Hmmm... But question is who is responsible for death of 25 brave hearts
I'll trained or incompetent?!!!someone should be held responsible... Pray tell who it is

Please Army also falls to pray to ambushes Its Not planned

Many soldiers killed in Night ambushes in J&K by 3&4 militias

in this incident over 300 Naxals attack together on 80-90 troops Which were having lunch.

they have edge in prior Knowledge about Local terrain and Local Intel

State Police responsible for intelligence totally failed they to much dependent on CAPF these days

CRPF also became complacent after mass surrender of naxal in recent years

 

[WARREN SS]

taking it forward from @Bahamut 's point...

First we have to recognise the difference between cobra and regulars of CRPF. Cobra is the assault force in the CRPF.

How about ghatak type platoon attached to each road opening party? 10-15 ghatak type QRT attached to every 100 CRPF regulars...

now sure how effective it will be, if a road opening party is spread across a kilometre area...

Even Local Police unit can kill Naxal if they have proper intel Look at jharkand jaguars and Gray hounds

 

[WARREN SS]

This Attack was total intelligence failure by IB.I think they to complacent about small things

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Army is too stretched, Their are consideration within Army to remove its mass manpower from urban areas at J&K ..

 

[IndianHawk]

Using army against domestic adversaries is nothing short of declaration of civil war .
In j&k presence of foreign militancy and porus border justify army counter insurgency but in central eastern India it doesn't.

CRPF and other paramilitaries have to step up their game. They couldn't detect 200-300 people closing in on them in due time . That is a very very serious breach. Even in dense jungle 300 people can't move unnoticed. 10-20 could've sneaked in somehow but 300.

They failed in establishing perimeter and keeping watch. Despite all the technology , weaponary equipment at their disposal.

Drones should keep flying above and around any convoy in jungle so that few kilometers perimeter can we watched from above.

 

[prasadr14]

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/gr...paring-for-the-final-push-against-the-maoists

A good read on the battle against Naxals, the progress, ground realities.

Regarding Army deployment, it's a big NO. This is not just a military solution. The locals, unlike in Kashmir are not against India.

lastly, Church is a big player in supporting the naxals. Not sure why every one is afraid to expose this link? Are BJP people afraid of being called communal? Just like it and go full steam ahead.

 

[mayfair]

lastly, Church is a big player in supporting the naxals. Not sure why every one is afraid to expose this link? Are BJP people afraid of being called communal? Just like it and go full steam ahead.

This is a complex issue. Church is involved because they have the money and the resources to do so. Over the past 100-150 years they have built up massive assets- real estate, money, businesses etc. and the money pile is ever flowing. During UPA term money flowed into church like never before.

To counter them, a multi-prong strategy is needed
1. Squeeze their funding sources- starting with NGOs and later on extend it to religious organisations (presently they are all exempt).
2. Bring development and education to the EJ-target areas, pump in money.
3. At the same time impede the EJs at every step. Chattisgarh and Jharkhand have been trying this with varying degrees of successes. But rot runs deep
4. We need to replicate Greyound model simultaneously across all affected states and the core maoist hideouts- Chhatishgarh, Odisha and Jharkhand.

 

[prasadr14]

This is a complex issue. Church is involved because they have the money and the resources to do so. Over the past 100-150 years they have built up massive assets- real estate, money, businesses etc. and the money pile is ever flowing. During UPA term money flowed into church like never before.

To counter them, a multi-prong strategy is needed
1. Squeeze their funding sources- starting with NGOs and later on extend it to religious organisations (presently they are all exempt).
2. Bring development and education to the EJ-target areas, pump in money.
3. At the same time impede the EJs at every step. Chattisgarh and Jharkhand have been trying this with varying degrees of successes. But rot runs deep
4. We need to replicate Greyound model simultaneously across all affected states and the core maoist hideouts- Chhatishgarh, Odisha and Jharkhand.

Fair points but there is nothing stopping the RW eco system to brand church as a supporter of Naxals.
After all these are the same people who coined the term saffron terror, Let's also coin a similar term for them, something like Cross Terror or Holy terror or Church terror...

Let's BRAND them and watch them squirm.

 

[mayfair]

The branding is happening- the Triple talaq polygamy movements are gaining steam, would have been unthinkable only 3 years ago. The term soul vultures is gaining wide traction, but more needs to be done.

I recall a story about Shivaji Maharaj. Again, it's difficult to say how much of it was true and how much exaggerated.

This was early days during his guerilla warfare against Aurangzeb. During one of the campaigns he found himself seeking shelter in an old lady's hut in the jungle. The lady recognised who he was and offered him a plate of porridge. Shivaji Maharaj being hungry promptly dug in and singed his fingers with the hot porridge.

This is when the old lady is reported to have given him a very sage advice. She's reported to have told him, "You singed your fingers because you dipped them in the middle of the porridge, where it was at its hottest. You should have started from the periphery where it was cooler and made your way to the centre. I feel you are making the same mistakes in your war against Aurangzeb. Rather than go for the heart, you should start weakening him from his periphery and the move in for the kill. Take on the remote distant forts and build your strength and go for the kill."

It is said that Shivaji Maharaj followed this advice till the very end.

We all know how Aurangzeb ended up didn't we?

 

[Dovah]

Fair points but there is nothing stopping the RW eco system to brand church as a supporter of Naxals.
After all these are the same people who coined the term saffron terror, Let's also coin a similar term for them, something like Cross Terror or Holy terror or Church terror...

Let's BRAND them and watch them squirm.

Rebranding will not work at all. As soon as you start to rebrand Naxal terror as evangelical terror, a counter campaign to rebrand naxalism as a rection to minority oppression will start which would be bad for us.

What we need is a non-government, high-intensity, counter conversion movement something akin to what @mayfair is suggesting. We need people on the ground.

 

[tharun]

I want GREYHOUNDS into action right now.

 

[Ancient Indian]

@ezsasa @mayfair
We don't take this dude seriously. But one of his articles,
The tribal versus development

Our diverse adivasi communities — the Gonds, Bhils, Santhals, Hos, Mundas, Oraons, Koyas and many others — are the damned people of our country, subjected to, as B.D. Sharma put it, an unbroken history of broken promises. Their villages might not have a single school or hospital, but their biggest tragedy is what lies beneath their feet: Like vultures, the mining mafia has been eyeing the mineral resources of central and eastern India for the trillions of dollars it might get them. It is the adivasis who are standing between these companies and their profits. Therefore, this war.

 

[prasadr14]

Rebranding will not work at all. As soon as you start to rebrand Naxal terror as evangelical terror, a counter campaign to rebrand naxalism as a rection to minority oppression will start which would be bad for us.

Sir, the current narrative for naxalism is dalit/minority oppression. That is what is being peddled in MSM and in our universities by professors...
Now that these same naxals have killed people involved in bringing in much needed infrastructure to these oppressed people, it's time for us to start the process to change the narrative.

The Church has hit Hindus where it hurts for a long time now without any visible repercussions. the govt for obvious reasons can not take this line. But the RW supporters can coin the term and repeat use it. This is called counter narrative and we really need it.

Let's call naxal terror as Vulture terrorism or Holy terror in SM and keep using it until the other side reacts.

 

[IndianHawk]

@ezsasa @mayfair
We don't take this dude seriously. But one of his articles,
The tribal versus development

Govt has an obligation to provide health education infrastructure to these people along with jobs income and social security.

How is that possible without economic development. As harsh as it might sound few thousand adivasi can not be allowed to block the path of prosperity for a billion people.

The war is result of foreign funded leftist ideologes constant provocation to make sure India remains dependent on foreign raw material despite its abundant resources.

 

[Ancient Indian]

Govt has an obligation to provide health education infrastructure to these people along with jobs income and social security.

How is that possible without economic development. As harsh as it might sound few thousand adivasi can not be allowed to block the path of prosperity for a billion people.

The war is result of foreign funded leftist ideologes constant provocation to make sure India remains dependent on foreign raw material despite its abundant resources.

Personally, I don't like mining. Vanvasi lands are for vanvasi people. They have their own way of life. We have no right to takes their lands from them.
It will be like the Colonial times. How Europeans killed and displaced Native American people for their lands.

We are no different from them if we see the situation from certain POV.

Then bigger picture.

 

[IndianHawk]

Personally, I don't like mining. Vanvasi lands are for vanvasi people. They have their own way of life. We have no right to takes their lands from them.
It will be like the Colonial times. How Europeans killed and displaced Native American people for their lands.

We are no different from them if we see the situation from certain POV.

There is a hell lot of difference now. Forest rights act is implemented. PESA is implemented. Tribals can oppose mining democratically and have succeeded too. In niyamgiri hills tribal Panchayat / gram Sabha had power to decline mining and did exactly that.

Then where is the need or point of violence.
Violence is being used to suppress these democratic institutions . Naxals are effecting armed dictatorship . It can't be allowed to continue in the name of tribal rights.

 

[mayfair]

Personally, I don't like mining. Vanvasi lands are for vanvasi people. They have their own way of life. We have no right to takes their lands from them.
It will be like the Colonial times. How Europeans killed and displaced Native American people for their lands.

We are making the same mistake as colonists and leftists that we know what is good for vanvasis and the difference between their needs and wants.

What exactly is there way of life? I think you'll find that many of them too want modern amenities, access to health and infrastructure, cars, motorcycles, bijli, sadak, paani etc. There are hardly any vanvasis left who wish to eke out a living like their ancestors (except for those in Andaman and Nicobars). They too realise that the forests are not what they used to be and cannot sustain the growing vanvasi population.

The key is development and inclusive development. Do not take away their land away from the vanvasis. Involve them in developing and harnessing these resources.
Setting up a mining op? Make sure vanvasis are adequately reprsented and compensated and not just as majdoor.
Setting up tourist resorts? Make sure vanvasis are involved as much as possible, they are employed at every step and the profits are ploughed back into the local society.
Encourage them to showcase and market their traditional crafts and the history of their ancestors through pottery, painting etc without middlemen.

This is what the church and maoists oppose as the movie Buddha in a traffic jam pointed out.

You leave them as is and naxalism would have never gone away.

 

[Willy2]

Personally, I don't like mining. Vanvasi lands are for vanvasi people. They have their own way of life. We have no right to takes their lands from them.
It will be like the Colonial times. How Europeans killed and displaced Native American people for their lands.

We are no different from them if we see the situation from certain POV.

Then bigger picture.

European version of anything don't apply on us , ethnic cleansing is in european blood , even 70 years ago when germany ceded land to poland ,German force to live those land .Where in India there is no history of ethnic violence between ppl , there is't any single kingdom in india based on "one" ethnic group .
Land/coal mafia is so strong there is due to lack of organize and legal way to extract the rich beneath of them , ppl are greedy , they will find the way by hook and crook to get those mineral , those maoist are involve in smuggling from where those terrorist get so much money ??
We need to curb the flow of "intellectual" there , then govt can handle the matter . Even govt entrust academics from JU, JNU as mediator , so how do we expect positive out come , everyone want to get rich , do u think tribes want to live in utter powerty and fear ?? no.. they just don't know the way . it's our responsibility to take everyone in our progress. We are one nation

 

[Nicky G]

Sukma attack: How friends turned foes as Naxals killed 25 CRPF jawans

If true, it seems to be a failure due to lack of vigilence. Important lesson at how the enemy turned once friendly village people into fodder against our forces.

Those responsible in the village need to be made a lesson out of.

 

[Immanuel]

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/gr...paring-for-the-final-push-against-the-maoists

A good read on the battle against Naxals, the progress, ground realities.

Regarding Army deployment, it's a big NO. This is not just a military solution. The locals, unlike in Kashmir are not against India.

lastly, Church is a big player in supporting the naxals. Not sure why every one is afraid to expose this link? Are BJP people afraid of being called communal? Just like it and go full steam ahead.

where do you get this idea that the Church, what ever it's denomination (catholic,orthodox or protest) is actively supporting the Maoists, do you have any reliable evidence? I know for a fact that the Maoists are directly supported by PLA and it's covert warfare unit.