Naval LCA Tejas

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PART 1: Big Surprises In LCA Navy NP1's Ski-Jump Fight

When the first prototype of India's LCA Navy (NP1) roared off the ski-jump at the Shore-based Test Facility (SBTF) for the first time on December 20 last year, no one from the team observing the jet from the flightline and from telemetry stations knew that something unseen had happened. Something that would only become known later in the day when performance data was analysed. And it was good, solid news, much needed for a team that has seen little more than questions, derision and barely veiled bemusement. Importantly, it was the first time the team felt it had an answer to the 'what use is this platform, really?' question.

The NP1, which had flown for the first time in 2012, had remained mostly on ground for the next two years, undergoing an extensive undercarriage re-design. In 2013, it climbed cautiously back into the air before going supersonic last year, and finally getting set for a shot off the simulated shore-based carrier deck in December 2014.

According to Team LCA-N, "For a ski jump launch, the final design intent is to have a zero rate of climb after ramp exit to get the best performance of the aircraft. This places a great premium on the ability to fly at the maximum possible angles of attack with adequate control and also to have a complete understanding of the thrust available."

And that's where it gets interesting.

Top sources on the team say the NP1 was flown a few times conventially before the ski-jump test to soak up the thick sea-level air in Goa. As expected, engine performance was markedly better. Spirits were high, but as has become the norm on milestone tests in the Tejas programme, there was pervasive nervousness. Surprises can be nasty. And the ski-jump test would leave no recovery time if something went wrong. As the Team says, "The first attempt at any new activity is fraught with uncertainties and potential surprises. Given the 'leap off the edge' nature of the first launch, all the major possibilities of failure were identified and options to handle them were built into the plan."

The test flight team decided to lock 5.7 degrees as the minimum climb angle for the NP1 once it made the leap off the ski-jump. When the aircraft actually did roar into the sky, the actual minimum climb angle was observed to be in excess of 10 degrees. Also, the NP1 achieved an angle of attack after ramp exit of 21.6 degrees, giving the team healthy new margins to work with in terms of performance. Simply put, the aircraft performed better than the team ever thought it could.

Now you can argue that safety margins always allow for bumps in performance, but the number crunch that evening demonstrated that the NP1 had exceeded expectations healthily.

The test team's verdict: "This is certainly a welcome bonus for an aircraft that has been so often derided for lack of thrust, and this excess will be accounted for in future launches. Also the angle of attack after ramp exit reached 21.6 degrees which augers well for utilisation of even greater angles of attack for launch. It should certainly allay fears over the use of such high angles of attack and remove much of the pessimism that has surrounded the utility of the programme."

The NP2 single seat naval fighter prototype that took to the air yesterday will join sea-level flight test next month and quickly demonstrate its own carrier compatibility before long. The LCA-N team, in the meanwhile, has its spirits up. The Indian Navy, which has ordered six of LCA Navy Mk.1 has indicated, albeit unofficially, that the Mk.1 platform is likely never to see actual carrier service. While the performance surprises of December aren't likely to change that, the numbers have changed. And that's something.

Tomorrow: The 2 Big Lessons Team LCA-N Learnt From The NP1 Ski-Jump Test

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Following minor changes >>

Tail fin - RWR installed
Base of tale fin- redesignt APU(?)/EPU(?) inlet
Remaining are antennas for comms.

Credit > @thounaojamtom , @Twinblade
 
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PART 2: The Four 'Fixes' After LCA Navy's Ski-Jump Flight

The LCA Navy NP1's carrier compatibility test off the ski-jump in Goa last month yielded masses of valuable data for a team that hasn't been able to put the aircraft into the air even a fraction of the number of times it would have liked to by now. But while there was plenty to be at least somewhat cheered about, there were two major areas that the flight drew attention to. Two areas the team is focusing on fixing with all its resources:


1. The Control Law and Flight Control System (FCS) Software needs additional coding and updating to handle the higher performance of the platform. "This will enable extracting the best performance of the aircraft in a safe manner as the margins are progressively reduced," say sources on the team.

2. The second take-away was mechanical, and just as crucial: the NP1's nose landing gear extension routine was faster than predicted or expected. Sources on the team confirm that, "Minor modifications to the nose landing gear are in progress and would be available on the aircraft by end Jan 15."

3. Another lesson learned, according to team sources, is that design teams will need to be "even more pragmatic in keeping margins as excess reserves get compounded and could lead to load exceedence."

4. The team is also considering excessive airspeed to be something to look out for. "While on first appearances, excessive airspeed appears to be harmless, it could aggravate aircraft control problems if flight control failures are encountered," team sources said.

Once the 2 tangible fixes are complete, and operating procedures on the other two are in place, the scene shifts back to Goa in March for more ski jump flights, where the flight test team will work towards reducing margins to arrive at final performance levels -- the first final, or close to final operating parameters of the LCA Navy. "Also, it is planned to initiate activities towards arrested recovery starting with dummy approaches on the landing area, 'taxi-in' arrester hook engagements on to the arrester wire at the SBTF and final flight engagement," say team sources.

Questions have been raised over whether 'surprise' angle of attack and climb performance actually demonstrated problems with simulation studies, team sources said, "Extensive simulations had been made to predict landing gear loads and the behaviour of all other systems during the ski jump launch. The aircraft was extensively instrumented to enable validation of simulation. The landing gear loads and other system behaviour obtained from the actual ski jump launch were close to prediction."

Series concludes tomorrow with Part 3: The LCA Navy Mk.2
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LCA Navy NP2 heads to Goa next month


The first LCA Navy single-seat fighter prototype that made its debut flight few days back, will join the existing carrier compatibility test schedule at INS Hansa, Goa from next month. The platform, designated NP2 took to the air just weeks after the first prototype, a twin-seat fighter trainer, made its first launch from the ski-jump at the shore-based test facility (SBTF).

The NP2 is the last of the Mk.1 prototypes and together with NP1 will be the only platforms available for the Mk.1 programme towards operational clearance. The Indian Navy has been satisfied with the performance of the NP2 during its first flight, with preliminary data indicating that the aircraft exceeded expectations across several parameters.

The next two prototypes, namely NP3 and NP4, will both be Mk.2 fighter variants that involve a multiplicity of improvements and enhancements. Team LCA-N will gradually look to expand the flight envelope of the NP1 and NP2 through a carefully planned series of manoeuvers from Goa. The Indian Navy, which funds 40% of the LCA-N programme, has already ordered six Mk.1 types and intends to procure at least 40 aircraft in total in a mix of variants, though it is of course keen on the Mk.2, powered by the GE F414 turbofan engine.

LCA Navy NP2 heads to Goa next month | idrw.org
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

The NLCA has a larger "Face" hence it looks better Front-On ;)

I still say they ought to increase the length of the fuselage by a couple of feet and the NLCA will look stunning Side-On as well....as of now it looks stunted!!
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

Apologies boss with naked eyes i cant see changes between naval version and air force version except for landing gear......from aesthetic perspective air force version looks meaner and cleaner (No offence being a subjective matter). Having said that, correct me if both of the planes are in the picture powered by same 404 at present ? or the NP 2 was powered by 414
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

414 is yet to be jotted down.... we are only working with 404!

Any which way you look at Tejas (subjective or objective) I see our self reliance so it looks damned good to me :))
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

some cross posting here
from kartik from bharat rakshak
info. from aero india 2013
this will dispel some of the myths about tejas and clarify some doubts,
i though it was important considering that the information came from the mouths of the horses themselves
i had to convert it into pdf and then into images because 10000 character restriction
some cross posting here
from bharat rakshak
this will dispel some of the myths about tejas and clarify some doubts,
i though it was important considering that the information came from the mouths of the horses themselves
i had to convert it into pdf and then into images because 10000 character restriction






the two changes since aero india 2013 are
1) the mk2 will be equipped with UTTAM AESA radars, which is undergoing trials.
2)the fuselage width is not likely to be changed ,only length
 
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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

The MoD is now all set to clear the third and fourth prototypes, NP3 & NP4, both to be single-seat fighter prototypes of the LCA Navy Mk.2, incorporating all airframe and platform changes, including aft fuselage changes to house the new, larger and more powerful General Electric F414-GE-INS6 turbofan engine. Team LCA-N sources confirm that there will be changes in most sections of the airframe.
LIVEFIST: PART 3: The Official LCA Navy Mk.2 Wishlist
 
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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

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:wat:

NP3 & NP4, both to be single-seat fighter prototypes of the LCA Navy Mk.2
Next Prototypes 3, 4 is MK II standard
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

the landing gears on np2 is definitely on steroids., but awesome terror photo in the previous page. it can easily shave off 250kg per plans. however, that decision perhaps is driven out of consistent testing at sbtf@ins hansa.
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

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:wat:



Next Prototypes 3, 4 is MK II standard
NLCA mk 2 will be significantly different from LCA mk 2 . It wont even be considered the same aircraft anymore .The navy considers the NLCA a shoehorned project that is not "optimal". Infact the navy is thinking of a new name for NLCA 2 .
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

again, I vote Kaveri with whatever kN achieved must be mated into PVs. It is a rightful entitlement and ennoblement.
 

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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

@shiphone Shiv Aroor wrong this time

The MoD is now all set to clear the third and fourth prototypes, NP3 & NP4, both to be single-seat fighter prototypes of the LCA Navy Mk.2,
Actually

The Phase 1 aka MK I with one Twin seater Prototype NP 1, along with three more Single Seat Prototype NP 2, NP 3, NP 4.. the next two prototypes are MK I config

The Phase 2 aka MK II with another 3 prototypes

[tweet]565934526501638145[/tweet]
@karn please note
 
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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

@shiphone Shiv Aroor wrong this time



Actually

The Phase 1 aka MK I with one Twin seater Prototype NP 1, along with three more Single Seat Prototype NP 2, NP 3, NP 4.. the next two prototypes are MK I config

The Phase 2 aka MK II with another 3 prototypes

[tweet]565934526501638145[/tweet]
@karn please note
Ask him the difference between naval Mk2 and air force Mk2 .
Ill try finding the article.
 
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Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV

Ask him the difference between naval Mk2 and air force Mk2 .
Ill try finding the article.
sir I'm aware that we are talking only about the Naval LCA. not any connections with Airforce version
 

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