Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

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Something off topic. Prior to the introduction of PASGT and ACH helmets in the Indian Army, this helmet model cropped up. It is seen in many photos of Indian troops in action and some claim that it is a Model 1974 and some say that is an Israeli Orlite. I don't agree with both ideas as the shape of the helmet and the liner is different in both cases. What model is it and when was it introduced in Indian Army service?
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Exact representation of Equipment on order MKU Ballistic Helmets : 1.58Lakh ordered in 2017 out of which 50,000 with integrated communication SMPP Bullet Proof Vest : 1.86Lakh ordered in 2018 & 40,000 supplied in Oct 2019 IRRPL AK-203 : Deal for 6.5Lakh units to be signed soon
 

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Check out the helmets!!!
I found this pic which is almost 7 months old in reddit. Now, this is more like it. Yeaah!!!
These are 41 Rashtriya Rifles ( MARATHA LI ) Jawans currently deployed in Kupwara. This picture is taken on Independence Day 2019.
They have added rails and NVG mount to the regular MKU Helmets which army is getting from MKU. This is battalion level modernisation. Never seen these with other Jawans.
 

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Forces must shun imports, go for ‘Make In India’, says General Bipin Rawat

NEW DELHI: The armed forces have to get rid of their overwhelming dependence on exorbitant foreign weapon systems, and instead put their entire weight behind ensuring that ‘Make in India’ does not remain a mere slogan, chief of defence staff General Bipin Rawat told TOI in an exclusive interview on Saturday.

“We are not expeditionary forces that have to deploy around the globe. We have to guard and fight only along our borders and, of course, dominate the Indian Ocean Region. So, we should
not go in for large amounts of imports by misrepresenting our operational requirements,” said Rawat.

“Covid-19 has affected everybody. We need to be realistic, start adjusting and have a major relook at our operational priorities and what we actually need. Arms imports, along with supply of spares and maintenance, have become increasingly cost prohibitive,” said the country’s first tri-service chief.

His forthright remarks mean that the over 15-lakh strong armed forces have to undergo a major reorientation to wean themselves off foreign-made arms that have been their preferred option for long. The remarks are also significant in the backdrop of the temporary freeze in new major deals for foreign weapons and the possibility of the defence budget being slashed due to the enormous impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on the country’s finances.

India currently languishes in the strategically vulnerable position of being the second-largest buyer of foreign weaponry after Saudi Arabia in the world, accounting for 9.2% of the total global arms imports during 2015-2019.

India has in recent years signed several big-ticket purchases for defence equipment, like the ones for 36 French Rafale fighter jets (Rs 59,000 crore) and five Russian S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile squadrons (Rs 40,000 crore), even as the government has sought to promote home-grown options.

Rawat said there was no other option but to build a robust domestic defence-industrial base, even if indigenous weapon systems were initially produced with “reduced technical specifications” or GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements) than those framed by the armed forces.

“We should boost ‘Make in India’ by hand-holding our domestic industry even if they deliver weapons with only 70% of the GSQRs in the beginning…given the opportunity, they will eventually deliver cutting-edge technology he said.

The armed forces often push for imports because they come up with “unrealistic GSQRs” for weapon systems that DRDO, ordnance factories and the domestic industry simply cannot deliver in time. “We should define GSQRs as per our own operational requirements, and not look at what the US or other advanced countries have,” said Gen Rawat.

If the armed forces need some high-tech weapon systems that cannot be made indigenously, then the focus should be on tying up with foreign partners for ‘Make in India’ projects with concrete transfer of technology. “India started small with Maruti-800 but has now become a major automobile manufacturing hub,” he said.

The Army, for instance, is now importing a limited number of advanced assault rifles and light machine guns for frontline troops from the US and Israel, but the bulk of its requirements will be met through `Make in India’ projects.

The armed forces, while going in for genuine integration and slashing non-operational flab and manpower to reduce the ballooning revenue expenditure and pension bill, also have to better manage the financial resources available to them. “You will never have the resources you desire. Optimal utilisation of the available budget is needed,” said Rawat.

There also needs to be proper prioritisation of operational requirements. The Navy, for instance, needs to decide whether it should push for a third aircraft carrier at this stage. “Anything on the surface can be picked up by satellites and knocked off by missiles. I think the Navy needs more submarines rather than aircraft carriers, which themselves require their own individual armadas for protection,” he said.

The renewed thrust on ‘Make in India’, incidentally, comes after TOI last December reported that none of the major indigenous projects in the defence arena — new-generation stealth submarines, minesweepers, infantry combat vehicles, transport aircraft, fighter jets and two types of light utility helicopters for the armed forces - have actually taken off in the last six years. These seven long-pending projects, collectively worth over Rs 3.5 lakh crore, are either stuck or still meandering through
different stages, without the final contracts to launch production being inked till now.
 

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One area of cutting down imports must be very clear for the Armed Forces - Make in India necessarily should not mean made by OFB, DPSU and DODO labs. The private industry must be encouraged and coopted with every acquisition.

In the present the OFB and DPSU play the role of a Dalal in between. That increases the cost of acquisition in many ways. That adds the cost of running their shops by OFB, their commissions, and bribery. Invariably the quality of items supplied becomes inferior as the suppliers have to cater to the expense of Dalal in between.
Except for Arms and ammunition, everything else can be and is made by the industry. Even in Arms and ammunition private players are emerging. The acquisition board of MoD and the Services themselves must be allowed to deal directly with the supplier rather than OFB putting their stamps on items procured from the market.
 

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Forces must shun imports, go for ‘Make In India’, says General Bipin Rawat

NEW DELHI: The armed forces have to get rid of their overwhelming dependence on exorbitant foreign weapon systems, and instead put their entire weight behind ensuring that ‘Make in India’ does not remain a mere slogan, chief of defence staff General Bipin Rawat told TOI in an exclusive interview on Saturday.

“We are not expeditionary forces that have to deploy around the globe. We have to guard and fight only along our borders and, of course, dominate the Indian Ocean Region. So, we should
not go in for large amounts of imports by misrepresenting our operational requirements,” said Rawat.

“Covid-19 has affected everybody. We need to be realistic, start adjusting and have a major relook at our operational priorities and what we actually need. Arms imports, along with supply of spares and maintenance, have become increasingly cost prohibitive,” said the country’s first tri-service chief.

His forthright remarks mean that the over 15-lakh strong armed forces have to undergo a major reorientation to wean themselves off foreign-made arms that have been their preferred option for long. The remarks are also significant in the backdrop of the temporary freeze in new major deals for foreign weapons and the possibility of the defence budget being slashed due to the enormous impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on the country’s finances.

India currently languishes in the strategically vulnerable position of being the second-largest buyer of foreign weaponry after Saudi Arabia in the world, accounting for 9.2% of the total global arms imports during 2015-2019.

India has in recent years signed several big-ticket purchases for defence equipment, like the ones for 36 French Rafale fighter jets (Rs 59,000 crore) and five Russian S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile squadrons (Rs 40,000 crore), even as the government has sought to promote home-grown options.

Rawat said there was no other option but to build a robust domestic defence-industrial base, even if indigenous weapon systems were initially produced with “reduced technical specifications” or GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements) than those framed by the armed forces.

“We should boost ‘Make in India’ by hand-holding our domestic industry even if they deliver weapons with only 70% of the GSQRs in the beginning…given the opportunity, they will eventually deliver cutting-edge technology he said.

The armed forces often push for imports because they come up with “unrealistic GSQRs” for weapon systems that DRDO, ordnance factories and the domestic industry simply cannot deliver in time. “We should define GSQRs as per our own operational requirements, and not look at what the US or other advanced countries have,” said Gen Rawat.

If the armed forces need some high-tech weapon systems that cannot be made indigenously, then the focus should be on tying up with foreign partners for ‘Make in India’ projects with concrete transfer of technology. “India started small with Maruti-800 but has now become a major automobile manufacturing hub,” he said.

The Army, for instance, is now importing a limited number of advanced assault rifles and light machine guns for frontline troops from the US and Israel, but the bulk of its requirements will be met through `Make in India’ projects.

The armed forces, while going in for genuine integration and slashing non-operational flab and manpower to reduce the ballooning revenue expenditure and pension bill, also have to better manage the financial resources available to them. “You will never have the resources you desire. Optimal utilisation of the available budget is needed,” said Rawat.

There also needs to be proper prioritisation of operational requirements. The Navy, for instance, needs to decide whether it should push for a third aircraft carrier at this stage. “Anything on the surface can be picked up by satellites and knocked off by missiles. I think the Navy needs more submarines rather than aircraft carriers, which themselves require their own individual armadas for protection,” he said.

The renewed thrust on ‘Make in India’, incidentally, comes after TOI last December reported that none of the major indigenous projects in the defence arena — new-generation stealth submarines, minesweepers, infantry combat vehicles, transport aircraft, fighter jets and two types of light utility helicopters for the armed forces - have actually taken off in the last six years. These seven long-pending projects, collectively worth over Rs 3.5 lakh crore, are either stuck or still meandering through
different stages, without the final contracts to launch production being inked till now.
Been hearing this for decades.

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We should boost ‘Make in India’ by hand-holding our domestic industry even if they deliver weapons with only 70% of the GSQRs
This is the key. No Pvt industry will ever be able to meet all requirements in one go. Forces must work together with them to develop the weapon. This is how a Military Industry Complex is built .
The private industry must be encouraged and coopted with every acquisition.
Absolutely, we have had enough of OFB weapons going kamikaze....DODO is partially better ...they should be privatzed. But OFB must be scrappped and all its manufacturing transferred to Pvt companies.
 

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Something off topic. Prior to the introduction of PASGT and ACH helmets in the Indian Army, this helmet model cropped up. It is seen in many photos of Indian troops in action and some claim that it is a Model 1974 and some say that is an Israeli Orlite. I don't agree with both ideas as the shape of the helmet and the liner is different in both cases. What model is it and when was it introduced in Indian Army service? View attachment 43946 View attachment 43947 View attachment 43948
Indeed I also want to know more about it. I have seen WW2 era helmets used in Kargil also, I have seen Patka and now I see the modern ballistic helmets. But in the meantime this popped up time and again. What is this design?
 

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ensuring that ‘Make in India
Yes yes yes yes
misrepresenting our operational
Yes yes yes yes
even if indigenous weapon systems were initially produced with “reduced technical specifications” or GSQRs (general staff qualitative requirements) than those framed by the armed forces
Yes yes yes yes
“We should boost ‘Make in India’ by hand-holding our domestic industry even if they deliver weapons with only 70% of the GSQRs in the beginning…given the opportunity, they will eventually deliver cutting-edge technology he said.
Yes yes yes yes
We should define GSQRs as per our own operational requirements, and not look at what the US or other advanced countries have
Yes yes yes yes


I think Rawat visits this forum.
Everything he spoke was DFI general opinion personified.

Now if they could just follow through and junk the Athos import.
 

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