Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

[TPFscopes]

Camouflage is always depends on the working terrain and environment

 

[Bornubus]

From Various operations at CT area ..

Still a general lack of proper vests/ pouches to keep 51 mm Mortar rounds and UBGL grenade


I have seen troops keeping the water bottle and shells in the same vest or put it in the backpack which is on occasions nothing more than school bag.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their are plenty of Infantry units still have this as standard, It sound more of a insult when people talk about farfetched uber tacticool stuff when the ground reality is this ( I don`t generally share these photos ).

The reality, is to issue complete upgrade of basic gear and it does not include computers, tactical rifle, pads and fantasy.

In a country like India, introducing and issuing any kind of new weapons or gear to every single soldier is going to be a cumbersome, and arduous task. Basics and simple gear which can be produce fast and can be distributed quick as possible.

This is first step towards solider`s modernization, No one can blame any one but babus in Army who are self interest desperate.

Still a general lack of proper vests/ pouches to keep 51 mm Mortar rounds and UBGL grenade


I have seen troops keeping the water bottle and shells in the same vest or put it in the backpack which is on occasions nothing more than school bag.

 

[Immanuel]

Lack of money is the shitiest cop out for not standardizing, be it personal gear, equipment, ammo, or infrastructure.

Army/MOD keeps returning billions of dollars to Fin. Min. every year. If someone still thinks that the money is not enough, reduce 36 rafales to 35 and buy the bloody gear for divisions worth of troops.

True, funny we have plenty of money for 36 Gold plated Rafale but many thousand of crores were cut from IA budget last year. Douchebaggery at the highest levels, those Rafale most likely won't see a day in combat for the next 10 years of service. For the Same amount of money we could have ordered 80+ Super MKI which on any day in the Indian context are deadlier due to the weapons they already can deploy.

 

[sthf]

@Immanuel , I don't even mind Rafales, on the contrary I welcome them. My argument is against BS peddling that "there is no money" when tens of thousands of crores are returned to Fin. Min.

A single Rafale costs about $100-110 million i.e. 650-700 crores. IA ordered 50,000 BPJs for 140 crores. Roughly the cost of a single Tejas. I am pretty sure that IAF can live without 4 or 5 Tejas. But 360 battalions of infantry will have tough time without BPJs.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

True, funny we have plenty of money for 36 Gold plated Rafale but many thousand of crores were cut from IA budget last year. Douchebaggery at the highest levels, those Rafale most likely won't see a day in combat for the next 10 years of service. For the Same amount of money we could have ordered 80+ Super MKI which on any day in the Indian context are deadlier due to the weapons they already can deploy.

Exactly..we could do without a 100 T 90s less who would not even fire 1 round in the battlefield or 10 sukhois less.

Had we even spent 100 crore each year since 2006 on upgrading our infantry battalions things would have been different now.

And they prefer to return the unspent money from the budget.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Members must go through first few pages before replying with posts ..

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

2017 and we still have nothing

 

[Vinod DX9]

CISF gets better gear. Those helmets are PASGT or ACH can't understand though, but even PASGT is better than old steel helmets or Model 1974 Combat helmets. More protection. However, during hostage rescue ops they should get a better rifle .

 

[Prashant12]

Indian Armed Forces to use Made in India weapons in future surgical strikes

When the Indian Army Special Forces went inside Pakistan-occupied Kashmir to carry out the famous surgical strikes last September, they used the deadly made-in-Israel Tavor-21 and Galil assault rifles to eliminate the terrorists and Pakistan Army troops supporting them.

However, next time if they carry out similar operations, they may be equipped with the same weapons which could be made in India as Indian firm Punj Llyod and Israeli Weapons Industry have signed a joint venture to produce these rifles under a new joint venture facility at Malanpur near here.

"We are making the whole range of IWI weapon systems at the facility here including the Tavor-21 and Galil assault rifles along with the Negev Light Machine Guns, Galil sniper rifles and the X-95 close quarter carbine rifles here. We would be offering all the types of weapons required by the armed forces," Ashok Wadhawan, in-charge of Punj Llyod's defence manufacturing business told Mail Today.

The new joint venture has been named as PunjLlyod Raksha Systems (PRS). Showcasing the capabilities at the facility, he said, "all the guns to be supplied to Indian forces under existing orders. For the future tenders, they will be fully made in India." For the creation of the new facility, IWI has helped in setting up machines in the plant which is exactly the same as they have in their facility near Tel Aviv.

MANUFACTURING FACILITY TO HAVE FIRING RANGE

The manufacturing facility will also have testing and firing range in the next few weeks where the weapons could be tested before they are dispatched for supply.

Asked about the motivation behind coming up with an assault rifle manufacturing facility, Punj Llyod group Chairman Atul Punj told Mail Today, "We wanted to produce something that is already proven and can be of use to the armed forces straightaway. With the security situation around us, I think there is also a requirement for such world class weapons in the country."

He said his company was fully committed towards making products under Prime Minister's pet project Make in India under the defence sector and would be looking to enhance the firepower of the forces.

The facility is also coming up at a time when along with the Army, the IAF and the Navy are also looking to equip themselves with assault rifles for their special forces and the normal ground troops both.

IAF LOOKING TO PROCURE OVER 1.85 LAKH ASSAULT RIFLES?

However, the Army would be the biggest potential customer for the weapons produced by the facility as the force is looking to procure more than 1.85 lakh assault rifles to replace the existing inventory of indigenous INSAS rifles which have not proven to be effective in the past.

The Army is also looking to acquire over 3,500 sniper rifles for the Ghatak platoons of its infantry battalions and special forces while it has also issued a new tender for acquiring 44,837 close quarter carbines for dealing with anti-terrorist operations.

Indian Air Force's Garud Special Forces and Marine Commandos of the Navy are already using the Tavor and Negev rifles and are too looking for more weapons.

Company officials say the new facility would also help the Israelis in cutting down their production cost and may also help in bringing down the cost of these weapons for Indian forces as well.

Punj Llyod officials said they are also in the race for supplying the upgraded version of the Soviet-era Zu-23 air defence guns and upgunning of the 130 mm Russian artillery guns to the latest 145 mm 45 calibre standard.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-india-weapons-surgical-strikes/1/943275.html
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[Kunal Biswas]

It won`t be long when the whole Army will go adapting unofficial camouflage at mass, Its better Army get its own version of marpat ..

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By everyday Soldiers & Officers of Indian Army are picking up Marpat originally meant for CRPF, Its best that Army should orders its own Marpat based on present colors ..

 

[Trinetra]

Indian scientist's bullet-proof vest for the army gets government nod

KOLKATA: A bullet-proof jacket designed by Bengali scientist Professor Shantanu Bhowmick has finally received the government's approval.

The empowered committee of the Ministry of Defenceapproved the jacket, which is made from indigenous ultra modern lightweight thermoplastic technology. It will be included in the Prime Minister's 'Make in India' project. The task of manufacturing the jackets will begin after the PMO gives it the green-light.

A joint collaboration between the DRDO and defence ministry, this is the first time in 70 years that the Indian Army will have bullet-proof jacket manufactured completely through indigenous technology.

Currently, India spends Rs 1.5 lakh on a single jacket used by the military and para-military forces. These jackets are imported from America. Dr Bhowmick's jacket will cost only Rs 50,000 per jacket. That means India will save Rs 20,000 crores every year.

The present bullet proof jackets being used by our jawans in the Army, BSF, CRPF and Police are heavy, weighing anywhere between 15-18 kgs. These new light weight jackets weigh 6-8 times less at just 1.5 kg. It has 20 layers and the carbon fiber in it will enable the jacket to work in 57 degrees Celsius also.
Professor Shantanu Bhowmick is the departmental head of aerospace engineering in Coimbatore's Amrita University. He has high hopes for his new invention and expressed his happiness at getting the official nod for the project. He thanked former Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lt Gen Subrata Saha, who had taken the initiative and encouraged Bhowmick. The professor dedicated his invention to Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose.

 

[TPFscopes]

Indian Scientist’s Bullet-Proof Vest For Army Gets Government Nod..!!!
A bullet-proof jacket weighing in at 1.5kg and designed by Bengali scientist Professor Shantanu Bhowmick from Amrita Univ, Coimbatore has finally received the government’s approval.
The empowered committee of the Ministry of Defence approved the jacket, which is made from indigenous ultra modern lightweight thermoplastic technology.
The jacket has been developed as part of a DRDO funded project. The jacket costs Rs 50,000, can operate in temperatures up to 57 degree celsius and utilizes thermoplastic tech. It can stop 7.62 x 39mm rounds. These new light weight jackets weigh 6-8 times less than the present ones at just 1.5 kg. It has 20 layers and the carbon fiber in it will enable the jacket to work in hot desert areas at 57 degrees Celsius also.
It will be included in the Prime Minister’s ‘Make in India’ project. The task of manufacturing the jackets will begin after the PMO gives it the green-light.
The present bullet proof jackets being used by our jawans in the Army, BSF, CRPF and Police are heavy, weighing anywhere between 15-18 kgs. Currently, India spends Rs 1.5 lakh on a single jacket used by the military and para-military forces.
He has high hopes for his new invention and expressed his happiness at getting the official nod for the project. He thanked former Deputy Chief of Army Staff Lt Gen Subrata Saha, who had taken the initiative and encouraged Bhowmick. The professor dedicated his invention to Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose.
Representative Picture of a modular vest/plate carrier with the image of Prof. Shantanu Bhowmick
Source- TOI

 

[sthf]

Though it sounds too good to be true, I hope it gets mass produced. One thing I'd like to point out that these BPJs may cost twice as much as the regular one despite whatever is being reported by media morons.

 

[Brij Ray]

Just like many other indigenous inventions, this too will be lost in time.

 

[TPFscopes]

Just like many other indigenous inventions, this too will be lost in time.

Or it may emerge just like MKU did!

 

[Kay]

What is the composition of an Indian infantry Rifle Platoon squad? What weapons do they carry individually?

I have read somewhere that an Indian Rifle Platoon consists of 30 members (3 squad/ section) of 10 members each and again each squad is divided into two groups - one of 7 members (Assault Group / Rifle Group) and the other one of 3 members (Support Group LMG Group). Is this correct?
Furthermore, the British had this structure in WW2 and have now moved to 8 member squad of 2 fire teams. Now they have two sharpshooters and 2 LMGs (Minimi) in the squad. But we have only one designated marksman in the squad and one LMG.
Does this mean we are falling behind in upgradation?
Also, @Ray Sir in one of the posts above, had earlier mentioned about maintaining bayonet strength of army (6-7 member assault group). Is this still relevant or outdated doctrine as evidenced by changing composition of western armies?

I understand the non fighting utility of a bayonet and as a hand to hand weapon - also bayonet training teaches aggression to soldiers. But given the rarity of its use in real war scenarios, should it be so central to our doctrine and force structure?

 

[itsme]

ANy idea about the helmet mounted NVGs for infantry?

 

[WolfPack86]

Revolutionary Bullet-Proof Jacket designed for Armed Forces will save India Rs 20,000 crore every year
The empowered committee of the Ministry of Defence has given its go-ahead to the use of a bullet-proof jacket designed by Bengali scientist and professor Shantanu Bhowmick.

The ultra lightweight, thermoplastic jacket can be manufactured completely through indigenous technology. Notably, this is the first time in 70 years that the Indian Army will have bullet-proof jacket manufactured completely in India.

According to The Times of India, Bhowmick, the departmental head of aerospace engineering in Coimbatore's Amrita University, has dedicated this jacket to Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose.

It is made from completely indigenous thermoplastic technology. The report added that its manufacturing will begin once it gets approval from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who launched the `Make in India` initiative on September 25, 2014, with the primary goal of making India a global manufacturing hub.

The product will be included in the 'Make in India' project, reported the daily.

Bhowmick joined hands with the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and the Ministry of Defence to design the jacket that will be the first in 70 years to be manufactured in India, said the report.

At present, jackets used by the military and paramilitary forces are being imported from the US and each costs Rs 1.5 lakh. However, Bhowmick's design will cost Rs 50,000 per jacket. This means, it will bring down the defence spending by Rs 20,000 crore annually, reported the daily.

Also, the bullet proof jackets currently being used by Army, Border Security Force, Central Reserve Police Force and police personnel are heavy, weighing between 15 and 18 kilograms. The new version weighs almost eight times less at about just 1.5 kilograms.

It has 20 layers and the carbon fiber in it will enable the jacket to work in 57 degrees Celsius also, reported the TOI.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/R...-save-India-Rs-20,000-crore-every-year-262475

 

[itsme]

Any pic of this new jacket?

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