Kuldeepm952
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Please tag/quote people who have good knowledge regarding any of the point following below to share their thoghts so we can get a good series of opinions for clarity-
I totally agree with you guys though there are some differences I would like to present-
1) Our air force is at it's worst in decades and will continue to be so in near future. All fighter planes leave Sukhoi and Tejas will retire near 2030. Medium and heavy transport fleet will suffer with c17 line closed and il214 programme departure. Tankers strength are already a problem here. Current AWACS number are pathetic, heck even less than Pak. Proper EW systems which should have been standard on each aircraft are questionable, most of them don't have it. Only heli strength seems good though lack of self protection suite will limit their utility in tactical battle area. Our mainstay Su 30s are increasingly becoming near obsolete in the absence of proper EW system, weapon systems and others. I'll bet on Tejas mk1a anyday over current su 30mki.
Now, present AF is increasingly becoming of the view that they would like to have foreign MWF and then jump to AMCA. Here goes of our hope of Tejas mk2. At this point they are not even hiding that they are even serious about 42 squadrons which by the way needs to be revised in context of leapfrogging china to be a number easily above 50 squadrons.
Only way I see out of this hell situation is quadrupling your effort on indigenous products, then maybe we will be in a good position post 2035 or 2040. I see a strong case for low observable Tejas mk3 or atleast Orca if we are serious of even thinking about tackling two front war.
Coming to your thoughts of using air Power when their is PLAAF can be debated in the above ongoing and upcoming scenario.
2.) Coming to Indian Navy, qualitatively and quantitatively we are I would say(you may not agree) much inferior to even South Korean navy, leave alone other major powers. It won't be a hyberbole to say that we got the worst navy(number wise and equiemt wise) among major competitive naval powers. Maybe we can learn something from ROK navy.
Here are some inferences:-
a). Navy's habit of inducting vessel of same type in limited numbers has seriously f**ked up economies of scale and the time of signing of contract to induction after so many years hasn't really improved and pathetic at best compared to naval power like japanes navy and ROK navy, forget about china.
b.) Not aligning with USA in the previous century, has come around biting when other navies are getting their hands on juicy AGEIS and now are making their own analogues, see ROK navy. Other example is our special forces which didn't benefit from USA special forces unlike other allied countries. On equipment front our SOF are rag tags at best.
Need of the hour is for a mission mode project form DRDO like IGDMP for sensors, vls, weapons systems for enhanced modularity and different threat handling capability.
c.) A fact that each vessel made outruns it's cost and is generally delieverd late by a huge time gap in IN is a sad state of affair.
d.) Future procurement plan also present a bleak future with some 5 NGD and 6-7 NGF which won't be present before 2030 at best. Submarine fleet is in shambles and running on worn out vessels.
e.) Biggest of all disappointment of mine is that neither IAF neither IN doesn't seems to see itself as a major force as evident from it's future procurement plan atleast in the near future circa 2040.
3.) Coming to IA, here is what I see:-
a.) Infantry is seriously outdated equipment and tactics wise, it's like we are still stuck in 90's, there is some change but a token amount at best. Standardization of equipment has among troops is something which gives every DFI member nightmares
. Even army has given up on it and here we see
b.) Less is said about SOF, apparently turf war among army and para unable to let go para sf will probably continue to make PARA SF unused to it's full potential. For now it's best to say PARA SF as super infantry, SOF quite doesn't suit them presently.
c.) Underutilization of rocket artillery by not inducting them enmass probably due to gunner ethics of artillery arm being a roadblock, you know how old guys just doesn't seem to appreciate new things. Now ROK army has 6 times the number of 155mm tubes and here army can't even commit to ATAGS.
d.) Army Air core is just a baby at now, devoid of proper recon, attack, and tactical troop transport heli (mi 17 class). At this point unable to provide support fire, recon and Air assault operations is a dream.
e.) On Armour front, unpgraded t-72 and bmp tin-cans will make sure of our pathetic situtaion remains as it is for a long time. Even upgradation of T-90 is on God's hands.
f.) IA airdefense still seems in its old colors in the sense that it really hasn't moved towards wide area air defense(remember AKASH NG and XRSAM are IAF led projects) and battlefield ballistic missile defense like S300V system of Russian army which is highly puzzling when you enemy has tactical nukes like NASR on western front and on eastern fornt has the capability to strike your critical nodes from beyond horizon strikes.
g.) Army's love for foreign product is unhidden. They have the near term capability to induct sizeable number of indigenous products owing to systems being less complex and less risky compared to its other services counterpart, yet it's intent for indigenous products on projects like artillery, FMBT, ficv, basic rifles, atgms, vshorads to name the least.
4.) Coming to our ability of beyond horizon strikes through cruise missiles, tactical ballistic missiles is non existent at best leave aside some brahmos.
I totally agree with you guys though there are some differences I would like to present-
1) Our air force is at it's worst in decades and will continue to be so in near future. All fighter planes leave Sukhoi and Tejas will retire near 2030. Medium and heavy transport fleet will suffer with c17 line closed and il214 programme departure. Tankers strength are already a problem here. Current AWACS number are pathetic, heck even less than Pak. Proper EW systems which should have been standard on each aircraft are questionable, most of them don't have it. Only heli strength seems good though lack of self protection suite will limit their utility in tactical battle area. Our mainstay Su 30s are increasingly becoming near obsolete in the absence of proper EW system, weapon systems and others. I'll bet on Tejas mk1a anyday over current su 30mki.
Now, present AF is increasingly becoming of the view that they would like to have foreign MWF and then jump to AMCA. Here goes of our hope of Tejas mk2. At this point they are not even hiding that they are even serious about 42 squadrons which by the way needs to be revised in context of leapfrogging china to be a number easily above 50 squadrons.
Only way I see out of this hell situation is quadrupling your effort on indigenous products, then maybe we will be in a good position post 2035 or 2040. I see a strong case for low observable Tejas mk3 or atleast Orca if we are serious of even thinking about tackling two front war.
Coming to your thoughts of using air Power when their is PLAAF can be debated in the above ongoing and upcoming scenario.
2.) Coming to Indian Navy, qualitatively and quantitatively we are I would say(you may not agree) much inferior to even South Korean navy, leave alone other major powers. It won't be a hyberbole to say that we got the worst navy(number wise and equiemt wise) among major competitive naval powers. Maybe we can learn something from ROK navy.
Here are some inferences:-
a). Navy's habit of inducting vessel of same type in limited numbers has seriously f**ked up economies of scale and the time of signing of contract to induction after so many years hasn't really improved and pathetic at best compared to naval power like japanes navy and ROK navy, forget about china.
b.) Not aligning with USA in the previous century, has come around biting when other navies are getting their hands on juicy AGEIS and now are making their own analogues, see ROK navy. Other example is our special forces which didn't benefit from USA special forces unlike other allied countries. On equipment front our SOF are rag tags at best.
Need of the hour is for a mission mode project form DRDO like IGDMP for sensors, vls, weapons systems for enhanced modularity and different threat handling capability.
c.) A fact that each vessel made outruns it's cost and is generally delieverd late by a huge time gap in IN is a sad state of affair.
d.) Future procurement plan also present a bleak future with some 5 NGD and 6-7 NGF which won't be present before 2030 at best. Submarine fleet is in shambles and running on worn out vessels.
e.) Biggest of all disappointment of mine is that neither IAF neither IN doesn't seems to see itself as a major force as evident from it's future procurement plan atleast in the near future circa 2040.
3.) Coming to IA, here is what I see:-
a.) Infantry is seriously outdated equipment and tactics wise, it's like we are still stuck in 90's, there is some change but a token amount at best. Standardization of equipment has among troops is something which gives every DFI member nightmares
. Even army has given up on it and here we seeb.) Less is said about SOF, apparently turf war among army and para unable to let go para sf will probably continue to make PARA SF unused to it's full potential. For now it's best to say PARA SF as super infantry, SOF quite doesn't suit them presently.
c.) Underutilization of rocket artillery by not inducting them enmass probably due to gunner ethics of artillery arm being a roadblock, you know how old guys just doesn't seem to appreciate new things. Now ROK army has 6 times the number of 155mm tubes and here army can't even commit to ATAGS.
d.) Army Air core is just a baby at now, devoid of proper recon, attack, and tactical troop transport heli (mi 17 class). At this point unable to provide support fire, recon and Air assault operations is a dream.
e.) On Armour front, unpgraded t-72 and bmp tin-cans will make sure of our pathetic situtaion remains as it is for a long time. Even upgradation of T-90 is on God's hands.
f.) IA airdefense still seems in its old colors in the sense that it really hasn't moved towards wide area air defense(remember AKASH NG and XRSAM are IAF led projects) and battlefield ballistic missile defense like S300V system of Russian army which is highly puzzling when you enemy has tactical nukes like NASR on western front and on eastern fornt has the capability to strike your critical nodes from beyond horizon strikes.
g.) Army's love for foreign product is unhidden. They have the near term capability to induct sizeable number of indigenous products owing to systems being less complex and less risky compared to its other services counterpart, yet it's intent for indigenous products on projects like artillery, FMBT, ficv, basic rifles, atgms, vshorads to name the least.
4.) Coming to our ability of beyond horizon strikes through cruise missiles, tactical ballistic missiles is non existent at best leave aside some brahmos.
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