LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Chinmoy]

Really so whole world is going towards automation and you want our airmens to use those old instruments which is slow & takes more manpower

Really?

And you assumed this based on one you tube video?

To begin with, a manual lifter is much more practical for us then a powered one.
Why? Because of operational reason.
Operational cost of these manual lifters are exceptionally low or should we say zero. These are zero maintenance equipment and ideally suited for our varied geography and climate.
These manual lifters do burn zero fuel as opposed to the automated ones.
For wing pylon loading, its ok. But have you seen them uploading ammo in underbelly pylons? In that case, its the manual lifts which many do prefer.

Now coming to actual scenario, we do have both manual and automated lifts in all our bases including the ALGs. You have not seen in YouTube doesn't mean we don't have them. Its just that, for day to day use, manual lifts are more preferred over automated ones for obvious reason.

 

[Hari Sud]

A month or so back, the Economist of UK published a negative report about LCA MK1A and said that it is under powered and many deficiencies etc.

The following article in Eurasiantimes says no such things.

My point is that are UK media fully biased about India. They should be encountered and made to rectify their stupidity.

India's LCA Tejas Crashes Near Pakistan Border In Rajasthan; Pilot Ejects Using Martin-Baker IN16G Seat

India’s indigenous fighter jet, LCA Tejas, crashed today in Rajasthan’s Jaisalmer near a hostel complex. This is the first-ever crash of a light combat aircraft in 23 years. Today, an Indian Air Force Tejas LCA Aircraft crashed during an operational training sortie near Jaisalmer, Rajasthan. The...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[Satish Sharma]

Very good. Blame every one left and right instead of knowing the real problem.

Back in 2010, a MoU has been signed in between DRDO and GE for F-414. But at that time we have yet to receive IOC for Tejas. CEMILAC certification for FOC was received in 2019 only. It means even thou MoU was signed in 2010, flight certification for Tejas was obtained 9 years later and you think our babus were sitting on it for all these years?

As for EJ200, the hurdle for its inception was the foreign policy of Germany. We had to negotiate with them back in 2000 for engine. So F404 and F414 are better suited for us then EJ200 politically. Even today, we are inclined towards Safran rather then Eurojet Turbo.

what would have been wrong if Tejas mk2 would have been approved?? It wasn't completely new developments they had to just enlarge it by 1.45m which won't take as much money & time as developing a new aircraft will take,, so much beurocratic hurdles,, although air inlet design was a issue it needs to be designed as per engine airflow okay !

Just think , to extend Tejas by 1.45 metres it took decades still we are long way to go then look how useless the leadership is here you can give me 100s if justification is it gonna solve the problem... Even if we see funding was approved in 2013 and engine was done deal by that time. It's been a decade is mwf ready??

IAF wants EJ200 engines for Tejas, but..

Analysts say the $750 million deal could go to GE, looking at current Indo-US ties.

www.dnaindia.com

Iaf was inclined towards ef200. But politically it wasn't a right choice okay!.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Chinmoy]

what would have been wrong if Tejas mk2 would have been approved?? It wasn't completely new developments they had to just enlarge it by 1.45m which won't take as much money & time as developing a new aircraft will take,, so much beurocratic hurdles,, although air inlet design was a issue it needs to be designed as per engine airflow okay !

Just think , to extend Tejas by 1.45 metres it took decades still we are long way to go then look how useless the leadership is here you can give me 100s if justification is it gonna solve the problem... Even if we see funding was approved in 2013 and engine was done deal by that time. It's been a decade is mwf ready??

IAF wants EJ200 engines for Tejas, but..

Analysts say the $750 million deal could go to GE, looking at current Indo-US ties.

www.dnaindia.com

Iaf was inclined towards ef200. But politically it wasn't a right choice okay!.

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Sorry to say it, but this is pure ranting without any substance from your part.

Just put yourself in shoes of government. Would you approve or release fund for a project whose DPR has not been completed? Would you release or approve fund for a project regarding which even the primary user is not sure?
And if you think Mk2 means just elongating the fuselage by 1.45 m, then no one can help you. Sorry about that.

 

[SKC]

Kyan din a gye bc all because of the delay of mk2.
If it would have gotten funding in 2009 it would have been ready today but it took them 4-5 years to release funds..

If available at dirt cheap prices, then why not.

But if they charge a bomb or like a fresh new plane then get over it.

 

[MirageBlue]

If available at dirt cheap prices, then why not.

But if they charge a bomb or like a fresh new plane then get over it.

The article itself states that they don't expect more than few million euros for each Mirage-2000EGM/BGM. The other Mirage-2000-5s that they have though will not be that cheap but are well worth it anyway.

 

[SKC]

The article itself states that they don't expect more than few million euros for each Mirage-2000EGM/BGM. The other Mirage-2000-5s that they have though will not be that cheap but are well worth it anyway.

Its good only then. If we are able to get them at good bargain, then nothing wrong.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Sorry to say it, but this is pure ranting without any substance from your part.

Just put yourself in shoes of government. Would you approve or release fund for a project whose DPR has not been completed? Would you release or approve fund for a project regarding which even the primary user is not sure?
And if you think Mk2 means just elongating the fuselage by 1.45 m, then no one can help you. Sorry about that.

I only mean at the end that our scientists are useless. And I did not said the enlarging fuselage by 1.4m is easy, I said it is way easier than developing a new aircraft it should take this much time...atleast it should have been done in a decade
And I also said they got fund in 2013 so why after a decade its not ready,,
doesn't that mean they are useless & incompetent.. ??
They have missed there timelines many times. Even after getting funds they had a decade what happened?
In case of kaveri there are legitimate justification like testbed Etc etc.
Did they had any such problems regarding mwf

 

[Satish Sharma]

If available at dirt cheap prices, then why not.

But if they charge a bomb or like a fresh new plane then get over it.

They have outdated radars, avionics,mission computer they will need significant upgrade to serve iaf. with this cost still it will be worth it..
They are talking about 18 mirages some are in flying condition some can be cannibalised for our fleet..

 

[shade]

A month or so back, the Economist of UK published a negative report about LCA MK1A and said that it is under powered and many deficiencies etc.

The following article in Eurasiantimes says no such things.

My point is that are UK media fully biased about India. They should be encountered and made to rectify their stupidity.

India's LCA Tejas Crashes Near Pakistan Border In Rajasthan; Pilot Ejects Using Martin-Baker IN16G Seat

India’s indigenous fighter jet, LCA Tejas, crashed today in Rajasthan’s Jaisalmer near a hostel complex. This is the first-ever crash of a light combat aircraft in 23 years. Today, an Indian Air Force Tejas LCA Aircraft crashed during an operational training sortie near Jaisalmer, Rajasthan. The...

www.eurasiantimes.com

Found this image from the Economist article you were referring to

Now even Manipur is a DiSpUtEd TeRRiToRy?

 

[Chinmoy]

I only mean at the end that our scientists are useless. And I did not said the enlarging fuselage by 1.4m is easy, I said it is way easier than developing a new aircraft it should take this much time...atleast it should have been done in a decade
And I also said they got fund in 2013 so why after a decade its not ready,,
doesn't that mean they are useless & incompetent.. ??
They have missed there timelines many times. Even after getting funds they had a decade what happened?
In case of kaveri there are legitimate justification like testbed Etc etc.
Did they had any such problems regarding mwf

Then again I am sorry on your thought process. Mk2 is a complete new design based on Mk1 rather then just an elongated airframe.
It is a whole new design. That's the reason why IAF has agreed upon Mk1A as interim measure. If you have wanted Mk2 at that point of time, it would have meant that there would not have any Tejas apart from the IOC and FOC variant. Mk1A is the true Tejas in full potential. So Tejas Mk2 would be a completely new aircraft based on existing Tejas, but with far better capability.

Its easy to comment, but too hard to work practically.

 

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[Satish Sharma]

 

[karn]

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Whats the unit . weight or volume ?

 

[no smoking]

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Does anyone wonder how come LCA has such high percentage composite material?
Considering F-35 which started development way behind LCA, you have to ask: are Indian scientists are super good on structure design, or India's composite material technologies are decades ahead of US?

 

[brat4]

Does anyone wonder how come LCA has such high percentage composite material?
Considering F-35 which started development way behind LCA, you have to ask: are Indian scientists are super good on structure design, or India's composite material technologies are decades ahead of US?

while not taking away the achievement of our scientist, that chat shows % of composites.
sure an F35 with a lot more bells and whistles has a need for non-composite material?

 

[Satish Sharma]

Does anyone wonder how come LCA has such high percentage composite material?
Considering F-35 which started development way behind LCA, you have to ask: are Indian scientists are super good on structure design, or India's composite material technologies are decades ahead of US?

Tejas has 45%
F35 has some where around 35%
If you have brain go see the empty weight of both aircraft Tejas's empty weight is 6500kg
And f35s 13300kg.
We have developed one of the best composites We have build attack helicopters like lch prachand who weights just 2250kg which can takeoff with whooping 5.8 ton mtow... we did not went to kamov to develop our helicopter..
Atleast we dont steal like thieves and then again mention shamefully xi wants to get technology by assymtrical means what is this assymetrical means ??

 

[Azaad]

Does anyone wonder how come LCA has such high percentage composite material?
Considering F-35 which started development way behind LCA, you have to ask: are Indian scientists are super good on structure design, or India's composite material technologies are decades ahead of US?

It's called doing an honest man's work the honest way - the way good old R&D used to be done , still is done by Indian scientists , all of which is alien to the Han for obvious reasons . No Xu Yanjun stuff will be found here. Ever.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Whats the unit . weight or volume ?

Weight

 

[MirageBlue]

Its good only then. If we are able to get them at good bargain, then nothing wrong.

Even if they weren't available for bargain prices, they were well worth it. the IAF intends to keep it's fleet of 50 odd Mirage-2000Is in service till 2035. The Mirages are still at the tip of the IAF's spear, along with the Rafale. There are continuing plans to integrate them with new gen weapons like the Rudram II, SAAW and possibly Astra Mk2 as well.

Which means that they are a critical part of the IAF's orbat. Whatever helps to keep them fully serviceable should be done. There'll be plenty of parts that will no longer be easily available and cannibalization of parts from other fighters is a reality. It is the reason that the IAF bought 24 Mirages from the French last year, most of which would be non airworthy but would help to keep the IAF's fleet availability high.

Dassault signed a contract with the French AF to keep their Mirages serviceable for 14 years (from Jan 2022 onwards). That means there will be Mirage-2000-5 and D fighters at least in French AF service till 2036.