LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[MirageBlue]

Negative, Super Tucano(MB MK8 seat) and Texan-II(MB MK 16 seat same as Tejas) have been purchased in this decade. Martin Baker has an Argentinian subsidiary who market and maintain MB products in Argentina. They use components and products from Martin Baker Italy(SICAMB) which is not subject to British restrictions.

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Main issues for us are the Cobham IFR probe and radome.

Ah thanks, that explains how the sale went through.

Both the Super Tucano and Texan II are not supersonic jets that can threaten the 4 Typhoons that the RAF has based at Port Stanley. Very different story with a JF-17 or MiG-35.

Coming to the Tejas Mk1 being a threat to any RN detachment to the Falklands - it currently doesn't have any Anti-ship missile integrated to the type. Going forward a Brahmos-NG might be integrated but there is no real timeline that is clear on that.

And there is no roadmap as of now for integrating Harpoon (which is integrated to the IAF's Jaguar IM) or Kh-35E to the Tejas (which was the originally planned AShM for the IN's LCA Navy fighter).

 

[MirageBlue]

Negative, Super Tucano(MB MK8 seat) and Texan-II(MB MK 16 seat same as Tejas) have been purchased in this decade. Martin Baker has an Argentinian subsidiary who market and maintain MB products in Argentina. They use components and products from Martin Baker Italy(SICAMB) which is not subject to British restrictions.

MBA S.A. - ARGENTINA - MBA S.A.

MBA S.A., sistemas y servicios para la defensa

www.mbaargentina.com.ar

Main issues for us are the Cobham IFR probe and radome.

Cobham IFR probe is not going to be an issue at all. The FAA can make do without one for the time that it would take for DRDO to develop a new probe in India.

Cobham's quartz radome is the bigger issue- the indigenous kevlar radome had higher than acceptable signal losses and the radar's range improved significantly after it was replaced with the quartz radome. But it's not a deal killer IMO. If the Argies would be ok with a temporary solution of an indigenous kevlar radome to be replaced by the indigenous quartz radome, then this issue too can be addressed.

We know that there is an indigenous quartz radome being developed. During Aero India, the Tejas Mk2 Project Director had specifically mentioned that for the first few Tejas Mk2 prototypes, they would use a Cobham quartz radome (which is smaller than the one used in Tejas Mk1), but it would eventually be replaced by an indigenous quartz radome that was being developed.

 

[Chinmoy]

Except American origin aircraft(barring helicopters and F35 B and C variants ), the rest of the world uses the Probe and Drogue method right?

Yep.

The most cost effective way of IFR.

 

[MirageBlue]

Cause KAI was required to replace more vital components (like the flight computer), and that for just a handful of fighters…it’s not very economic

Didn't know that the KAI FA-50 used British sourced components for their flight computer..just that there were 6 major components on the KA FA-50 that were sourced from Britain.

 

[Chinmoy]

Cobham IFR probe is not going to be an issue at all. The FAA can make do without one for the time that it would take for DRDO to develop a new probe in India.

Cobham's quartz radome is the bigger issue- the indigenous kevlar radome had higher than acceptable signal losses and the radar's range improved significantly after it was replaced with the quartz radome. But it's not a deal killer IMO. If the Argies would be ok with a temporary solution of an indigenous kevlar radome to be replaced by the indigenous quartz radome, then this issue too can be addressed.

We know that there is an indigenous quartz radome being developed. During Aero India, the Tejas Mk2 Project Director had specifically mentioned that for the first few Tejas Mk2 prototypes, they would use a Cobham quartz radome (which is smaller than the one used in Tejas Mk1), but it would eventually be replaced by an indigenous quartz radome that was being developed.

The biggest stumbling block would be the ejection seat.

Even if we go for new ejection seat, it would take up time and money for certification. Even if time could be managed, with the dwindling security budget of Argentina, cost would not be on our side for a mere 20 odd fighters.

 

[Roland55]

While browsing a magazine regarding the tejas history i came across the mentioning of an Ericsson/Ferranti radar, anyone has an idea of what radar were they talking about?

 

[Covfefe]

While browsing a magazine regarding the tejas history i came across the mentioning of an Ericsson/Ferranti radar, anyone has an idea of what radar were they talking about?

Another critical technology area tackled for indigenous development by the ADA team is the Multi-Mode Radar (MMR). It was initially planned for the LCA to use the Ericsson Microwave Systems PS-05/A I/J-band multi-function radar,[20] which was developed by Ericsson and Ferranti Defence Systems Integration for the Saab JAS-39Gripen.[N 4]However, after examining other radars in the early 1990s,[N 5] the DRDO became confident that indigenous development was possible. HAL's Hyderabad division and the LRDE were selected to jointly lead the MMR program and the radar development effort began in 1997.[22]

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas#cite_note-Aroor-27

HAL Tejas

The HAL Tejas (Hindi pronunciation: [t̪eːdʒəs] Hindi:तेजस) is a multirole light fighter developed by India. It is a tailless,[N 1] compound delta-wing design powered by a single engine. It came from the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) programme, which began in the 1980s to replace India's ageing...

military.wikia.org

Ericsson Microwave Systems was bought by Saab in June 2006;Ferranti Defence Systems Integration was acquired by GEC-Marconi in 1990, which in turn merged with British Aerospace (BAe) to form BAE Systems in November 1999

 

[Roland55]

Thanks!!

Also, have another "retro" pic

(Quality might not be the best, but i don't really have a lot of pics of the technology demonstrators)

 

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[FalconZero]

LSP-08 is being used for testing Uttam AESA radar iirc.

 

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[FalconZero]

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God please tell me someone took the drone shot from the top, tejas's delta look fricking amazing at that angle.

imagine 14 of such planes from the Top....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

The US has ACES ejection seats on their platforms. They don't depend on MB.

May be we cannuse that too.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Ah thanks, that explains how the sale went through.

Both the Super Tucano and Texan II are not supersonic jets that can threaten the 4 Typhoons that the RAF has based at Port Stanley. Very different story with a JF-17 or MiG-35.

Coming to the Tejas Mk1 being a threat to any RN detachment to the Falklands - it currently doesn't have any Anti-ship missile integrated to the type. Going forward a Brahmos-NG might be integrated but there is no real timeline that is clear on that.

And there is no roadmap as of now for integrating Harpoon (which is integrated to the IAF's Jaguar IM) or Kh-35E to the Tejas (which was the originally planned AShM for the IN's LCA Navy fighter).

Would love to see Tejas Mk1 being integrated with AM39 Exocet anti ship missile specifically for Argentina, any passing Royal Navy ship will experience Falklands flashbacks.

 

[Akula]

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Delta force.

 

[Chinmoy]

God please tell me someone took the drone shot from the top, tejas's delta look fricking amazing at that angle.
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imagine 14 of such planes from the Top....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!

As you wish...

 

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The Argentine Air Force could buy LCA Tejas from India refurbished without British-made components - The Aviation Geek Club

The Argentine Air Force could buy LCA Tejas from India refurbished without British-made components

theaviationgeekclub.com