LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[IndianHawk]

damn man, that's so sweet, Sigh to those Singaporeans with F 15 SE, and those Thailand guys with JAS 39 C

F15 SE is superior I concede hence I wrote one of the most advanced not the only one!

Btw what is air to air missile Singapore f15se uses and what range it has?

If it's not aim 120d than it will be outranged by derby ER on lca. That is a fact not an opinion.

An sfdr based missile on mk1a will be danger to every f15e unless they are upgraded with ramjet based missiles.

Jas 39c doesn't have aesa and can't filed meteor ofcourse mk1a will be way superior to it.

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[IndianHawk]

Supa dupa Tejas MK 1 is in Kashmir and around airbases in Punjab, and conducting regular CAP , add this too

All day Tejas is better than JF 17, sigh

Are you here to discuss things or just rant !
If that so please specify we can all save some time.

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[Steven Rogers]

The lessons are clear and IAF Chief itself stated that If we had Rafales things will be different ,

AMRAAM outgunned our R77 and Su 30 MKI comes close ,

No if we had rafales not a single intruder would have gone back, and that's what he said and meant.

 

[IndianHawk]

Bhai I knew...but any update on the 2052 contract.....
Again no clarity on 1000kg weight reduction part...
We HV 2 years before production....
If first jet comes in 2022....
Means production would HV started before 8 months.......

https://www.janes.com/article/85107...ystems-radar-and-ew-suite-for-tejas-lca-mk-1a

Elta was selected way back in 2018 over Thales and Saab offering for aesa and ew suite.

2052 is operational on jaguar performing perfectly.

For production of mk1a first iaf has to sign the order.

About 1000 kg weight reduction goal I'm not sure how much they'll achieve.

But components are ready multi function displays are ready , aesa radar + ew suite + derby ER combo is ready. Frame changes are minimal to mk1. That is why no prototype are required. They should be able to deliver this on time. But iaf must sign the contract and release fund asap.

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[Steven Rogers]

1., so you're saying that PL 15 is not availabe for export , so PL 12 remains the mainstay of JF 17's BVR, lets see how long they keep the ban

2. what about those western Radars quoting the air search range is around 350 km and above , I'm taking about the search&track mode only not into Fire control range

Those western radars are quite big with 1000snds of X band emitters, the one in gripen has over a 1000snd emitters using GaN technology which benefits better gain and low noise, the RBE2 AESA radar is a circular radar with around 1000snd trms, the captor E is very bigbwith 1500trm approx, the apg81 on f35 has a large antenna with approx 1400trm, and so They boost a range, what jf17 will get is a small aperture aesa not as big as the western sized.

 

[IndianHawk]

Despite the CAG report and IAF knowledge of Paki possesion of AMRAAM, we didn't upgarded our own with more superior platforms and missile, despite having big budget than PAF,

So now only we are testing some shit from Russia , which can outmatch something PAF got waybefore 2010

We have just 36 Rafale's and they only comes with Meteor, so dont expect that they were the one man army against both China and PAF

in case of SFDR , we have the engine and propulsion , Who has the command link and guidance seeker ,

About sfdr we also have indegenios seeker as Astra mk1 has test flown indegenios seeker since 2017. I'm not sure with command guidance but since it's a joint project with Russia what we lack can come from Russia.

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[patriots]

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[SajeevJino]

Are you here to discuss things or just rant !
If that so please specify we can all save some time.

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Its been so long since I started bashing Tejas here in this very own thread, yet peoples not ready to understanding the truth but having daydream only

 

[SajeevJino]

No if we had rafales not a single intruder would have gone back, and that's what he said and meant.

So current entire fleet of IAF fighters are not sufficent/ or better enough to fight the Pakistani F16 and JF 17, which was procured way before IAF got Su 30 MKI

Lol, Kudos to that WgCdr with steel of balls, fuck your RoE lemme get that Paki shit

 

[SajeevJino]

About sfdr we also have indegenios seeker as Astra mk1 has test flown indegenios seeker since 2017. I'm not sure with command guidance but since it's a joint project with Russia what we lack can come from Russia.

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Astra seeker is nothing but a copy of monkey model R 77 seeker, it will not be useful in modern AAM's, we need to look for the better one , either Israeli or the West,

who told you that SFDR is a JV ,

 

[lcafanboy]

External fuel tank of #Tejas falls down in Irugur village near Coimbatore.

 

[lcafanboy]

External fuel tank of #Tejas falls down in Irugur village near Coimbatore.

Seems like it's a 1200 lts drop tank which was previously restricted underbody. IAF seems like experimenting with it under wing and dropping the Pylon along with fuel tank just like the F-22 drops the Pylon along with it to reduce RCS further.

 

[Steven Rogers]

So current entire fleet of IAF fighters are not sufficent/ or better enough to fight the Pakistani F16 and JF 17, which was procured way before IAF got Su 30 MKI

Lol, Kudos to that WgCdr with steel of balls, fuck your RoE lemme get that Paki shit

No you took it like a typical layman,The same fleet bombed the Pakistanis a day before unchallenged under the nose of pakistani radars and fighter aircrafts ,new accusation is made to fit your doctrine which is made after years of experience and is a continous process,Rafales in the place of Su30s meant,low rcs aircraft flying with newer and advance missiles like mica and meteor with better radar and jamm proof data links with better share of battle picture. Can this be done on su30,yes ofcourse ,new batch of r77SD provides modern a2a missiles,and SDRs provide better jam proof communication which is more important in the battlefield....

 

[IndianHawk]

Astra seeker is nothing but a copy of monkey model R 77 seeker, it will not be useful in modern AAM's, we need to look for the better one , either Israeli or the West,

who told you that SFDR is a JV ,

DRDO.

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[vishnugupt]

IAF and IN can achieve what we can't even imagine. Seriously these people are an idiot of the highest grade. Half of the fleets get destroyed before they get decommissioned with honour.
There was a 100% chance that a brand new 28million USD plane could have been crashed due to sheer unprofessionalism of IAF. Imagine, not fuel tank Even rack has detached from the plane. How???
IAF doesn't deserve even Mig 21 while they cry for worlds best equipment. Rafale will be met with the same fate as was Hercules J130.
God forbid if Tejas has been crashed then they will use this opportunity to buy more foreign maal by criticising HAL for poor quality work and IAF will make sure the truth will not see the daylight like we don't know what went wrong in previous crashes till date

 

[Srinivas_K]

Minor incident, these things do happen.

 

[ersakthivel]

The lessons are clear and IAF Chief itself stated that If we had Rafales things will be different ,

AMRAAM outgunned our R77 and Su 30 MKI comes close ,

These 100 plus KM ranges for super duper western air to air missiles are just ballistic ranges.

In reality no AAM has the kinetic energy to be effective beyond 40 Km or so.

This was demonstrated by PAF F16 cowboys , (who didnt hv the balls to engage su30MKI at close ranges),


Whose max range AMRAAM AIM 120 c salvos were simply shrugged off by IAF su 30 mki, which continued to hold its ground over army brigade hQ .

Meteor may hv dual pulse motor.

But its no escape range (there is no such thing as no escape area, in future,which is the stuff fr another thread) is certainly not the advertised ballistic range of around 150 km.

Its the tactics & battlespace awareness plus pilot training , which uses air assets in an effective manner is what determines who wins.

JF17 hving super duper250 km range ASEA wont change anything .because their SL XX (like AMRAAM) too will be shrugged off by IAF fighters.

Tejas is a definitive reliable cutting edge finished product.

No use intimidating IT with AESA JF17.

IAF chief 's statement is a mystery to me.
Thete was an AirAsia civilian plane near the air battle theater.
So SU30 MKIs were forbidden from taking BVR shots.

Even if rafales were there, same rules of engagements will apply.

Thats why Abhinabdhan went WVR to hit F16.

The fact that his 60 yr old tech mig21 couldnt be shot down before it got into & achieved an F16 kill,

In airspace filled with ,"100 km range "AMRAAM, brings some home truth on tech & tactics

 

[ersakthivel]

IAF and IN can achieve what we can't even imagine. Seriously these people are an idiot of the highest grade. Half of the fleets get destroyed before they get decommissioned with honour.
There was a 100% chance that a brand new 28million USD plane could have been crashed due to sheer unprofessionalism of IAF. Imagine, not fuel tank Even rack has detached from the plane. How???
IAF doesn't deserve even Mig 21 while they cry for worlds best equipment. Rafale will be met with the same fate as was Hercules J130.
God forbid if Tejas has been crashed then they will use this opportunity to buy more foreign maal by criticising HAL for poor quality work and IAF will make sure the truth will not see the daylight like we don't know what went wrong in previous crashes till date

IAF accident rates are more or less at par with world averages

 

[ersakthivel]

About sfdr we also have indegenios seeker as Astra mk1 has test flown indegenios seeker since 2017. I'm not sure with command guidance but since it's a joint project with Russia what we lack can come from Russia.

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Tell me which "superior" platform which was available and not taken by IAF against F16?
Su 30 mkis did well even against typhoons & USAF.

so why this sudden outrage?