JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[porky_kicker]

Your biggest problem is trying to ridicule JF17 for not being a Jaguar or a Mig 29. Different designs different capabilities.

JF17 is a light multi role combat jet. It is obviously not going to haul the same amount of ordinance to the same ranges that a twin engine medium weight Mig 29 can or a twin engine jet designed almost exclusively for air to ground combat like the Jaguar.

Hawk 200 has export orders because it is a capability in demand with air forces accross the world. JF17 has export orders because its a capability that satisfies the requirement of certain air forces around the world.

Quite conspicuously, I don't see you attributing the capabilities you mock the JF17 for lacking to its Indian counterpart Tejas... is Tejas any less capable because it can't haul the same amount of ordinance as an 80's era Tornado? Try arguments that don't reek of fanboyism.

JF17 in the anti ship role is replacing the Mirage5PA3 and exocet combo:

New airframes. BVR capability whilst in the Anti-ship role. Easier maintenance and easier access to spares and upgrades considering that JF17 is built in house. Datalinks to supporting ZDK 03 AEW&C aircraft.

In either configuration, the switch to JF17 is qualitative improvement to the existing anti-ship capabilities of the Pakistani air Force.

Easy maintenance ?
Are you sure about that, if yes please point out the features which contribute to the same.

 

[rone]

Your biggest problem is trying to ridicule JF17 for not being a Jaguar or a Mig 29. Different designs different capabilities.

JF17 is a light multi role combat jet. It is obviously not going to haul the same amount of ordinance to the same ranges that a twin engine medium weight Mig 29 can or a twin engine jet designed almost exclusively for air to ground combat like the Jaguar.

Hawk 200 has export orders because it is a capability in demand with air forces accross the world. JF17 has export orders because its a capability that satisfies the requirement of certain air forces around the world.

Quite conspicuously, I don't see you attributing the capabilities you mock the JF17 for lacking to its Indian counterpart Tejas... is Tejas any less capable because it can't haul the same amount of ordinance as an 80's era Tornado? Try arguments that don't reek of fanboyism.

JF17 in the anti ship role is replacing the Mirage5PA3 and exocet combo:

New airframes. BVR capability whilst in the Anti-ship role. Easier maintenance and easier access to spares and upgrades considering that JF17 is built in house. Datalinks to supporting ZDK 03 AEW&C aircraft.

In either configuration, the switch to JF17 is qualitative improvement to the existing anti-ship capabilities of the Pakistani air Force.

Seriously dude you are either a blind fan just following brochure facts or its your negligence..becoz for air-air ,air-ground, air-sea configuration of aircraft depends on its flight profile even f18 can't have better air-air than f16, so you saying comparing with tejas lol it's make me brain freez, becoz unlike tejas the minimum turning Radius of jf17 is 450 m where tejas is 325m due to Delta wing and small size , and compare both effective payload maximum take of weight u can see the difference as I said before fc1 is a rejected trainer jet later sold to paf with advanced weapon integrations, it just act as a storage meassure for paf current paf squadron depleting ..In long run it became more head ache..While you use same kind air craft for everything it's easy to find one week point and easy for enemy to exploit that in combat...More over chinese air force figured it out and change dependcy from su27 clone to different j10 like single engine fighter

 

[cyclops]

Your biggest problem is trying to ridicule JF17 for not being a Jaguar or a Mig 29. Different designs different capabilities.

It is completely fair to compare JF-17s to Mig-29s.
After all they may have different capabilities but they are performing the same task, wrt ASh role, the only distinction being, the Migs are better in every category including mtow which effectively allows it to have more AShMs and BVRs.

JF17 is a light multi role combat jet. It is obviously not going to haul the same amount of ordinance to the same ranges that a twin engine medium weight Mig 29 can or a twin engine jet designed almost exclusively for air to ground combat like the Jaguar.

Yes.

Quite conspicuously, I don't see you attributing the capabilities you mock the JF17 for lacking to its Indian counterpart Tejas... is Tejas any less capable because it can't haul the same amount of ordinance as an 80's era Tornado? Try arguments that don't reek of fanboyism.

Strawman argument.
And why should Tejas be compared.

Tejas is not hopelessly performing a task not under its means(we call it 'aukaat') like the JF-17 and over arching into an Anti Ship role.

 

[Dazzler]

We did get something better than pellet guns. ATAGS. Its a pity, though. We will use ATAGS on you slaves and your Chinese masters, not on the stone-pelters.
BTW, ATAGS just achieved a 55 km range in winter trials in Sikkim.
ATAGS had achieved 48 km range during summer trials in the Thar desert last year. That was a world record.
And the real target if DRDO is to make this gun hit 60 km.
And before you start, these ranges were achieved without the use of rocket assisted projectiles. Good luck attempting ceasefire violations once this gun enters service in 2021.

You guys should not talk about ONCE IT ENTERS SERVICE because it never does. Add 40+ years to the development cycle. The world will eventually witness it having the same fate as your tank ammo, that bursts in the barrels and kills tank crew while firing and a hundred thousand discarded due to faulty design and propellant.

To top it all, a plane displayed sitting on a truck, and the world rolled over laughing.

 

[tsunami]

You guys should not talk about ONCE IT ENTERS SERVICE because it never does. Add 40+ years to the development cycle. The world will eventual witness it having the same faith like your tank ammo, that bursts in the barrels and kills tank crew while firing. A plane displayed sitting on a truck, and the world rolled over with laughter.

If you don't know we can't help it. 6 fighters are already in an operational squadron and flown more in 6 months then your full squadron flies in an year. But again for us quality matters and for beggars anything is good.

 

[Flame Thrower]

A plane displayed sitting on a truck, and the world rolled over laughing.

You are right, what did the world do when your thunder with nearly 10yrs of operational experience didn't wanna compete with non inducted aircraft even after paying 500k during Bahrain airshow!!??

So much for sitting on the truck, air Marshalls of two countries flown in IOC plane of it's two seater version. A track record of no crash in it's 17 yes of flight testing and 1 yr of Operation. 6 aircrafts had clocked over 600 hrs in 7 months. How many hours J-17 does on an average!? God knows about the no of crashes....

 

[Rahul Singh]

flown more in 6 months then your full squadron flies in an year

That's the difference between 4th gen Tejas and a 3rd gen JF-17. Precisely!

A non-FBW all-metal airframe; Jf-17 can't match the operational tempo of a 4-channel all digital FCS equipped fighter made up of carbon composite airframe having self-diagnosis suit for auto fault detection enabling shorter preflight time hence quick turn around.

At any given day Tejas's availability which is already close to 80% can't be matched by JF-17. Still only early into service Tejas is flying +3 sorties a day.

 

[Rahul Singh]

To top it all, a plane displayed sitting on a truck, and the world rolled over laughing.

Obvious level of G.K of Madrass-a dwellers.

That pic of you is of IAF tableau for Republic Day parade. Below is the real thing.

Not needed, stand off munitions will take care of it.

A system called QR-SAM is exactly for taking care of these slow-flying so-called stand off munitions.

 

[AMCA]

You guys should not talk about ONCE IT ENTERS SERVICE because it never does. Add 40+ years to the development cycle. The world will eventually witness it having the same fate as your tank ammo, that bursts in the barrels and kills tank crew while firing and a hundred thousand discarded due to faulty design and propellant.

To top it all, a plane displayed sitting on a truck, and the world rolled over laughing.

At Republic day parade.

Taking off using ski jump.

Taking off in pairs.

Landing in pairs.

..........

Currently 6 Tejas aircrafts are operational with IAF. They have completed 600 hours of flying as of now.

 

[AMCA]

The world will eventually witness it having the same fate as your tank ammo, that bursts in the barrels and kills tank crew while firing and a hundred thousand discarded due to faulty design and propellant.

When and where was tank crew killed in barrel burst incident?

a hundred thousand discarded due to faulty design and propellant.

Problem is with OFB which makes faulty equipments with faulty manufacturing technique and the lazy employees who are supported by strong labour unions headed by communists. OFB often messed up with good and tested equipment developed by DRDO. These problems will end once private sector steps in as we have seen in the case of ATAGS which recently fired upto 55km during winter trials in Sikkim.

 

[G10]

Let them live in madarsachap delusions. Why educate them. Just kick their asses when time is right.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Problem is with OFB which makes faulty equipments with faulty manufacturing technique and the lazy employees who are supported by strong labour unions headed by communists. OFB often messed up with good and tested equipment developed by DRDO. These problems will end once private sector steps in as we have seen in the case of ATAGS which recently fired upto 55km during winter trials in Sikkim.

Charges against OFBs are undeniable but shell bursting is not a problem exclusive to us. When you produce them in large quantities there is always a chance that few would come up as dud and faulty. It happens even to the best in business let alone Zahilistanis. It is other thing that they don't allow reporting such cases in media. Mard-e-Momins need to keep an image keep firm grip on Ass republic of Donkistan.

 

[Dazzler]

At Republic day parade.

Taking off using ski jump.

Taking off in pairs.

Landing in pairs.

..........

Currently 6 Tejas aircrafts are operational with IAF. They have completed 600 hours of flying as of now.

Thats just funny, 40 years in the making, 6 being tested, not in active front line service, 2 per year can be manufactured at ADA/ HAL, 40 serious shortcomings, and rejection by navy. Air force was forced to induct it as a sign of national pride while it fails to meet their needs. Short legged with dismal combat radius of just 500km.



Did i miss something?

 

[Flame Thrower]

Thats just funny, 40 years in the making, 6 being tested, not in active front line service, 2 per year can be manufactured at ADA/ HAL, 40 serious shortcomings, and rejection by navy. Air force was forced to induct it as a sign of national pride while it fails to meet their needs. Short legged with dismal combat radius of just 500km.



Did i miss something?

Yes......

JF 17 Thunder ran away from Tejas during Bahrain airshow even after paying $500k for the slot.

 

[AMCA]

Combat radius of just 500km.



Did i miss something?

What is the combat radius of JF17??

 

[Rahul Singh]

What is the combat radius of JF17??

Enough to bomb Islamabad when taking off from Lahore.

Since a stated range has many variables.His madass-a skull might burst if you discuss range with him. Spare the poor chap.

Yes......

JF 17 Thunder ran away from Tejas during Bahrain airshow even after paying $500k for the slot.

Such technology much wow.

PHATI GAAND TOH BHAGI RAAND.

And the reason is in red................

 

[Dazzler]

What is the combat radius of JF17??

Stated to be just under 1400 km.

 

[Dazzler]

Enough to bomb Islamabad when taking off from Lahore.

Even then your tejas will drop dead half way.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Even then your tejas will drop dead half way.

Yeah an all-metal Jf-17 dreaming of shooting down carbon composite made Tejas. Dream on!

 

[Rahul Singh]

Stated to be just under 1400 km.

With what combat load and in what flight profile?