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I saw part of the interview.

Quite interesting.

While it was magnanimous to have gone to the Separatists, Jaitley's point is right that it has made these odd chaps more real than life and has somehow catapulted them to the Kashmiris of being more powerful than the GoI.

He is also correct that one should tell the Separatists in no uncertain terms as to when they get off and at the same time earnestly address the issues of the people of all regions of J&K and thereby isolate the Separatists.

Human rights abuses should be firmly dealt by the GoI and not pushed under the carpet, while at the same time, there can be no space for diluting the act that protects the SF.

It is worth listening to the interview. He addresses the issue that are used by those of the Arundhuti - Medha Patkar ilk.
 

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New America Foundation's Steve Coll talks about Kashmir startegy

Kashmir: The Time Has Come

In late October 2008, on the eve of the election that would elevate him to the White House, Barack Obama made some of the most expansive comments about the Kashmir conflict that have ever come from an American presidential candidate. In an interview with Joe Klein of Time magazine, Obama acknowledged that Kashmir's disputed territory was "obviously a potential tar pit diplomatically," and yet, he continued:

For us to devote serious diplomatic resources to get a special envoy in there, to figure out a plausible approach, and essentially make the argument to the Indians, you guys are on the brink of being an economic superpower—why do you want to keep on messing with this? To make the argument to the Pakistanis, look at India and what they are doing—why do you want to keep on being bogged down with this particular [issue] at a time when the biggest threat now is coming from the Afghan border? I think there is a moment when potentially we could get their attention. It won't be easy, but it's important.
It was refreshing to hear an American politician speak honestly and seriously about Kashmir. Since 1989, when a popular rebellion erupted against Indian misrule, Kashmir's violence has often been enshrouded by silence. Partly that is because neither the Indian nor the Pakistani government wishes to call attention to its contributions to the conflict. Pakistan's intelligence service has stoked a low-intensity guerrilla war by funding and arming Islamic radicals and infiltrating them into the Kashmir Valley. India has responded with a brutal counterinsurgency campaign which at its height involved the systematic use of torture and extrajudicial killing. That campaign has lately eased, and the human rights performance of India's government has improved, but not enough. Protests set off this summer by the shooting deaths of unarmed demonstrators have been the most intense in several years. By mid-August, at least fifty-five people had been killed. Kashmiri rioters have provoked and committed violence this summer, but much of the blame for the high death toll rests with the unprofessional performance of the Indian paramilitaries, whose approach to riot control too often involves indiscriminate firing at crowds.

At least 45,000 people have died violently in Kashmir since 1989. Local human rights groups continue to discover hundreds of unmarked graves containing the bodies of young men either shot in battle or murdered in Indian custody. The victims have left behind 30,000 orphans, according to the International Crisis Group, as well as thousands of widows and at least one thousand "half-widows," whose husbands are among the missing but have not been proven dead.

The conflict has again and again spilled outside Kashmir. Just a month after Obama's interview, on November 26, 2008, ten armed men came ashore in dinghies on Mumbai's waterfront and embarked on a three-day made-for-television killing spree that left 175 people dead, including nine of the gunmen. Evidence presented in Indian and Pakistani courts has made clear that the attackers had ties to Lashkar-e-Taiba, the largest of the Islamic groups that Pakistan's army and intelligence service had built up to fight in Kashmir. The Mumbai attack demonstrated that the most radical jihadi groups active in the Kashmir conflict are becoming bolder. Some of them may intend to provoke an Indo-Pakistani war.

Nonetheless, President Obama has never acted on the analysis he mentioned as a candidate. Early on, his administration caved in when India objected to an exploratory plan to include Kashmir among the responsibilities of Richard Holbrooke, the President's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Since then the Obama administration has worked quietly to encourage peace talks between India and Pakistan, but without any breakthroughs. As the months have passed, the President's national security team has become preoccupied by the deteriorating war in Afghanistan and the Taliban-led insurgency in Pakistan. Amid such difficulties, the idea of thinking afresh about a conflict as old and complex as Kashmir's might seem preposterously ambitious.

But it is essential nonetheless. Mumbai was a warning. American policy has long sought to compartmentalize Kashmir as a problem separate from Afghanistan's war, the threats posed by al-Qaeda, or Pakistan's internal violence. That policy is no longer consistent with the facts, and this failure directly threatens American security. In a number of recent cases when radicalized Muslims living in the United States have traveled to Pakistan for training or inspiration, they have connected with groups or networks active in Kashmir. American policy is also outdated with respect to conditions within Kashmir itself. Kashmiris continue to challenge India's oppressive military presence in the region, and yet overall, the guerrilla war in Kashmir has changed and quieted during the past decade, and new possibilities for a permanent negotiated settlement have emerged.

From its beginnings, the Kashmir conflict has presented a confounding blend of overt diplomatic disputes and covert war. Jammu and Kashmir was one of several notionally sovereign princely states aligned with the collapsing British Raj that had yet to choose its future at midnight on August 15, 1947, when India and Pakistan were born as independent nations. Maharajah Hari Singh, a Hindu, presided over a Muslim-majority population as well as privileged Hindu classes and a small number of Buddhists. As Singh dithered, Pakistani army officers organized an incursion of Afghan tribesmen into the Kashmir Valley, threatening Srinagar, the summer seat of the maharajah's throne. Singh turned to India for help; its government insisted it could do nothing until he signed an Instrument of Accession to join India, which the maharajah did, hurriedly, late in October. Pakistan has never accepted the validity of this action; India has always insisted it was proper.

It has long been known that Pakistani army officers had an important part in supporting the incursion that led to Singh's panicked decision and thus gave birth to six decades of conflict. In Shadow War, a new history of Pakistan's involvement in Kashmir's violence, Arif Jamal presents a strikingly continuous narrative in which the tactics of Pakistan's architects of secret war have changed little to the present day. The principal manager of the Partition-era infiltrations, according to Jamal, was Colonel Akbar Khan, who used the nom de guerre "General Tariq."

Khan did not always tell his superior officers what he was doing; he diverted ammunition from regular Pakistani army elements; and with other officers, he ran the invading tribesmen's radio operations. One of his internal memos, referring to the early Kashmiri leader Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah, was entitled "Keep the Pot Boiling in Abdullah's Kashmir." None of this would seem unfamiliar to Indian intelligence officers struggling to thwart Pakistani-sponsored infiltrations in recent years. The current chief minister of Indian-controlled Jammu and Kashmir is Omar Abdullah, Mohammed's grandson; Pakistani officers are presumably still following the precepts of Khan's memo, without need to alter its title.

The diplomatic issues framing the conflict have changed little in several decades. When the initial Kashmir war was coming to an indecisive end, a United Nations commission adopted a plan to hold a plebiscite in which Kashmiris might choose between India and Pakistan. India initially tolerated this idea but later withdrew its cooperation. Pakistan protested futilely, and in 1965 another war broke out. The territorial divisions that resulted from that conflict have persisted with minor alterations to this day. Pakistan has lately deemphasized the plebiscite, although many Kashmiris hold out hope for it. Of the diverse regions that made up Jammu and Kashmir at Partition, Pakistan today controls a mountainous, Muslim-majority territory known as the Northern Areas, as well as a section of mountains and river valleys that it has dubbed "Azad Kashmir," or Free Kashmir. India controls the pastoral Kashmir Valley, Hindu-majority Jammu to the southeast, and tiny Ladakh.

In 1971, the two countries fought a third war, which resulted in Pakistan's defeat and the birth of independent Bangladesh. Afterward India negotiated a victor's peace called the Simla Agreement. That agreement formally designated the cease-fire line in Kashmir as the "Line of Control" and stipulated that all unsettled disputes would henceforth be resolved only through bilateral negotiations between India and Pakistan; India cited these terms in rejecting the Obama administration's hints that it would be interested in promoting a settlement.

The cold war's end saw the beginnings of the renewal of the bloodshed that has stained Kashmir in recent years.2 Indian politicians rigged a local election in 1987, which brought to a boil latent anger over corruption and discrimination against Kashmiri Muslims. The fall of the Berlin Wall and the creation of independent Central Asian states with Muslim majorities and less history of nationhood than Kashmiris felt they possessed stirred hope in the valley that a popular uprising might lead to liberation. A pro-independence guerrilla force, the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), dominated the initial revolt.

Pakistan's principal military intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), sensed an opportunity. Flush with hubris over its successful use of jihadi militias to expel the Soviet Union from Afghanistan, the ISI soon marginalized the JKLF and promoted a pro-Pakistan Islamist force, the Hizbul Mujaheddin. An alphabet soup of other front groups and jihadi liberation armies soon joined in, many of them armed and trained by the ISI.

During the 1990s, when the Hizbul Mujaheddin faltered and some of its leaders showed signs of independent thinking, the ISI built up a more reliable proxy force, Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Saudi-influenced proselytizing organization with ample funds and thousands of recruits drawn from Pakistan's heartland province of Punjab. The Pakistani army's reckless self-confidence that it could seize Kashmir by violence climaxed in 1999, when it invaded Kashmir's northern heights, near Kargil, using soldiers disguised as guerrillas. During the months-long undeclared war that followed, the United States became so concerned that it might escalate into a nuclear exchange that President Bill Clinton intervened to force Pakistan's withdrawal.

A large part of Shadow War chronicles the ISI's complex relationship with Hizbul Mujaheddin, a relatively obscure subject for readers outside of South Asia. Jamal's research, which includes interviews with militants, reveals valuable and original detail but it suffers considerably from a lack of analytical perspective. The book also provides little new insight into Lashkar or other groups that have more recently shaped events in Kashmir and beyond. Despite these limitations, Shadow War is a credible and courageous effort by a Pakistani journalist to document the unaccountable, opaque policies of his country's intelligence service.

Jamal's account effectively ends in 2004. Since then, the ISI has increasingly lost control of militants based in Punjab; sections of these groups, including Lashkar, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and the anti-Shia group Sipha-e-Sabha, have recently aligned with the Pakistani Taliban in a revolutionary uprising against the Pakistani state, and even against the ISI. These networks are responsible for some of the devastating suicide bombings that have taken hundreds of lives in Punjabi cities such as Lahore during the past two years. Suicide bombers have also launched unprecedented attacks against Pakistani military and sectarian targets in Azad Kashmir.

At the same time, without much fanfare, India has largely prevailed in its counterinsurgency campaign in the Kashmir Valley, at least provisionally. More than a thousand civilians died in Kashmir in 2001; last year, the figure was seventy-two. The number of dead will climb in 2010 because of this summer's rioting and the indiscriminate shootings by Indian paramilitaries, but even so, the death toll will remain a small fraction of what it was during the 1990s. Islamist guerrillas stage occasional attacks and have prevented tourism and economic activity from returning to normal, but the guerrillas have been isolated militarily. State elections late in 2008 drew a turnout of more than 60 percent overall, although less in the disputed heart of the valley. Even there, political participation has increased and popular support for Islamist guerrillas from Pakistan is fading.

India has drawn down some of its troop deployments and turned greater responsibility for security over to the locally recruited police. Yet not only has India's government failed to professionalize its methods for riot control in Kashmir and elsewhere, it has left in place draconian emergency laws and has granted de facto immunity to Indian commanders for appalling human rights violations in the past. This summer's rioting has demonstrated the persistent resentment toward India felt by many Kashmiris. Overall, conditions in the valley have improved and India has established a position of control, but these achievements are not likely to prove sustainable in the absence of a broader settlement.

Nor should the United States or its European allies become complacent about the conflict. Kashmir retains an important place in Pakistan's sense of grievance; as an enduring cause, it is a source of radicalization and recruitment, one that offers to jihadis international legitimacy and even Pakistani state sanction. The authors of a recent International Crisis Group report describe the present danger:

Another Mumbai-like attack would have a devastating impact on bilateral relations [between India and Pakistan] and could conceivably bring the nuclear-armed neighbours to the brink of war. More-over, the militants pose an equal threat to the Pakistani state and its citizens.
The Kashmir conundrum is comparable to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the sense that the outlines of a permanent two-state settlement have already been negotiated; what's missing is the political leadership, the public confidence, and the security conditions required to conclude that settlement and to defend it against the violent reaction it would inevitably provoke from Islamist and Hindu nationalist extremists.

For all of Kashmir's unrest, the Line of Control has provided a remarkably stable basis for a settlement. As Howard Schaffer points out in The Limits of Influence, a thorough and intelligent history of American diplomatic intervention in the Kashmir dispute, the valley, with a population of just under five million, is today "the only part of the pre-1947 state in which the majority of the population is so seriously discontented with the status quo that it wishes to break its link with the country that administers it." Whether even the valley today is the exception Schaffer describes is debatable; Kashmiri separatist leaders continue to talk sporadically with New Delhi and Islamabad about forms of autonomy that might be established within the Indian and Pakistani constitutions.

As recently as January 2004, the former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and then Indian Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee agreed to launch talks that would lead to "a permanent settlement of all bilateral issues, including Jammu and Kashmir, to the satisfaction of both sides." To assure India that he would not revert to Pakistan's historic practice of talking peace in public and fomenting guerrilla violence in secret, Musharraf pledged that he would not "permit any territory under Pakistan's control to support terrorism in any manner." Since then, Indian and Pakistani leaders have made fitful, incomplete, but nonetheless remarkable progress in defining the terms of a settlement of Kashmir and other territorial disputes. Some of this negotiation has occurred at periodic high-level summits staged in public, but Indian and Pakistani envoys have carried out much of the serious work in secret backchannel talks held in hotels in Dubai, London, Bangkok, and elsewhere.

Before he was forced from office in 2008, Musharraf seems to have concluded that Pakistan might achieve more of its goals in Kashmir through peaceful political negotiations than by continuing to infiltrate Islamic radicals. India's surging economic growth and Pakistan's desire to benefit in an atmosphere of normalized relations and growing trade were also factors in his willingness to seek compromise, according to Pakistani officials involved. In any event, under Musharraf, cross-border infiltration of guerrillas into Kashmir from Pakistan slowed to a virtual trickle by late 2006.

By early 2007, according to Indian and Pakistani officials involved, the two sides had completed the outline of an agreement on Kashmir. It remains unclear which provisions had been agreed on and which issues had been designated for future negotiation, but at the heart of the breakthrough lay an emphasis on autonomy and special status for residents of the valley and Azad Kashmir, including the right to move freely across the Line of Control. Before the deal could be announced, however, Musharraf's grip on power slipped; as Islamist violence within Pakistan intensified in mid-2007, it became implausible to announce such a risk-taking peace deal, for which neither the Indian nor the Pakistani public was prepared. Musharraf has since been succeeded by a weak elected government in Pakistan as well as new army leadership that appears more focused on quelling internal revolt and managing Pakistan's interests in Afghanistan.

The specific settlement proposals developed three years ago remain sound. Schaffer's history traces in rich detail the roots of these ideas. As far back as 1956, President Dwight Eisenhower proposed an American role in negotiations that would divide Jammu and Kashmir, in a settlement linked to expansive aid and investments in Indian and Pakistani economic development by the United States and other wealthy countries. More recently, official envoys and nongovernmental organizations such as the Washington-based Kashmir Study Group have debated and refined ways to grant substantial autonomy to Kashmiris while preserving Indian and Pakistani sovereignty. The technical provisions of a final deal are less important than how its balance is ultimately perceived by the Indian and Pakistani publics. To be workable, an agreement must be favorable enough to Kashmiris for Pakistan's army to save face, but not so favorable as to provoke an unmanageable backlash from Hindu activists in India.

Schaffer describes the elements of an agreement that he believes are necessary: the Line of Control should become an international border; the border should be "sufficiently porous to allow for the easy movement of people and goods across it"; all populations in the original Jammu and Kashmir state should enjoy some measure of autonomy; and "joint institutions" should be established "on an all-Kashmir basis [to] play a role in managing noncontroversial matters affecting Kashmiris on both sides of the line."

Schaffer also adopts the traditional view that the United States should advance these ideas, if at all, only through "quiet diplomacy." He is an accomplished retired diplomat; his profession overvalues discretion. The rationale for caution is that a more active American approach would produce an unfavorable reaction within India from Hindu nationalist politicians, the media, and even the secular Congress Party–led government, which would likely feel compelled to assert its nationalist credentials to defy perceived American meddling. Therefore, this thinking goes, the costs of American visibility on Kashmir will outweigh any benefits.

These assumptions are outdated for three reasons. First, the emerging strategic alliance between the United States and India is becoming strong enough to withstand media noise and political disagreements that earlier would have been more consequential. American presidents and negotiators helped bring peace to Northern Ireland by openly advocating positions that British leaders did not always accept, without consequence to the Anglo-American alliance. Fundamentally, it was in the shared interest of the United States, Ireland, and Britain to end Irish Republican Army terrorism, just as it is in the shared interest of India, Pakistan, and the United States today to end terrorism by Kashmir-driven groups based in Pakistan.

Second, because the outlines of a Kashmir settlement have already been identified by India and Pakistan, but would require political cover to be announced and implemented, it is essential that the United States, Europe, Japan, Middle Eastern governments, and other nations prepare to strongly support any final agreement, and to consider how to invest in its success, economically and otherwise. Only by open discussion and active advocacy for a political solution that protects the interests of Kashmiris, Pakistan, and India can such a preparatory atmosphere be created.

Finally, the interests that the United States has in the Kashmir conflict are greater now than at any time in the postwar period. American efforts to prevent a second Taliban revolution in Afghanistan and to quell Islamist rebellion within Pakistan are unlikely to succeed if ISI continues its three-decade practice of using jihadi groups to wage their own brand of war against India. The only way to gradually reduce ISI's influence within the Pakistani establishment and to strengthen more progressive civilian leaders is to pursue a broader normalization of economic and political ties between Pakistan and India. That in turn will require a durable settlement in Kashmir. Silence and indirectness about the conflict is no longer workable.

A reconsidered American approach to Kashmir should return first of all to the tone of Obama's Time interview: honest talk about an admittedly difficult problem. More such straight talk is now required. The United States and India share an interest in the emergence of a stable, economically successful Pakistan with an army that believes it is in Pakistan's national interest to stop fomenting jihadi violence in Afghanistan and India. It is difficult to imagine that such a Pakistan will evolve if groups such as Lashkar are not disarmed, delegitimized, and defunded. And it is difficult to imagine that such an achievement would be possible in the absence of a political settlement that satisfies the great majority of Kashmiris and delivers economic benefits to Pakistan, such as preferential access for textiles to American markets, as well as water and energy security. President Obama and his foreign policy team should articulate this alternative to the status quo before Indian and Pakistani publics, without embarrassment.

They should also hold the ISI accountable when credible evidence appears that it is continuing to arm Islamist militias fighting in Afghanistan or Kashmir. A recent report by a Harvard University researcher who interviewed Taliban commanders in Afghanistan argues that the ISI's training and support for Afghan Taliban guerrillas remain far more extensive than either Pakistan or the Obama administration has acknowledged.4 Pakistan has been designated a major non-NATO ally of the United States and enjoys substantial aid and access to military equipment as a result. Showering the army and the ISI with support without holding them accountable for funneling terrorists into neighboring countries will only make the problems and threats facing the United States in South Asia worse. Pakistan has often evaded accountability by keeping its support for Islamist groups hidden and by pleading, credibly, that it lacks the capacity to fully control terrorist groups operating on its soil.

Kashmir offers a rare case where the ISI's conduct can be measured. Pakistani forces maintain a security zone on their underpopulated side of the Line of Control that makes it all but impossible for guerrillas to cross into India-controlled Kashmir without army cooperation. According to the latest annual report of the Indian Ministry of Defense, between April 2009 and February 2010, Indian forces defeated attempted infiltrations thirty-three times, suggesting a rate of just less than one attempt per week, not including successful crossings. Even this relatively modest number should be unacceptable to the United States. If the Indian reporting of infiltration rates is inflated, then the United States, Britain, or NATO should undertake independent monitoring and announce the results. If Pakistan's performance is judged to be unacceptable, then the Pakistani army should be held accountable and transparent reports made available to the Indian and Pakistani publics.

A similar public assessment should also be made of ISI support for the Afghan Taliban. Public exposure is not only the best disinfectant against the poison the ISI spreads in South Asia; such reporting would also advance American interests. India has justifi-ably been dissatisfied with the extent of Pakistan's crackdown on Lashkar and similar groups since the attack in Mumbai. If another such attack occurs, American credibility as a source of reliable information, and as a vehicle for effective pressure on Pakistan to cease illegal support for terrorist groups, will be important to defuse a potential war crisis. That credibility should be established now, before such a crisis occurs.

The United States should speak out with equal clarity about continuing Indian human rights violations—and the immunity of the security forces— inside Kashmir, and more broadly about the benefits that would flow from a final political settlement and the normalizing of Indo-Pakistani relations. The US should acknowledge the legitimacy of Pakistan's historic concerns about the rights of Kashmiri Muslims while insisting that only a peaceful political process to secure those rights is legitimate.

The United States does not need to intervene directly in Kashmiri negotiations to support the Indo-Pakistani peace process. It does, however, need to rediscover the sense of urgency and international leadership that characterized its engagement with Kashmir in the 1950s and early 1960s. Schaffer reports that in 1956, President Eisenhower wrote identical letters to the leaders of India and Pakistan, urging them forward. In the absence of a Kashmir settlement and the removal of other obstacles to normalized Indo-Pakistani relations, Eisenhower wrote, "the peaceful, progressive economic development which each nation desires . . . cannot succeed." That has not changed.
 
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I wonder while hot on Indian human rights 'violations', teh author is magnificently silent over US atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, let alone human rights jackboot repression.

I wonder if the US or its journalists have any moral authority to hector anyone.

He is also silent about Pakistan's brutal massacre of the Baluchis and the Shias of Pakistan and Northern Areas, apart from a demographic genocide being done in Northern Area.

No sir, Mr author, you have no right to hector, nor can your country or its underling nations have any moral authority to 'put pressure' on India!

Nonetheless, thank you, sir for your kind attention and unwarranted advice.
 
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SIR, these so called humanright groups are a piece of shit. Were did there voices go when hundreds of Kashmiri Pandits and even children were murdered? Were did the their voices go when the naxals murdered the security personals. They are organisations to earn money by PRP ratings.

"Ms.Medha Paker were did you all go when these murders took place and why are you creating such problems are araising and are provoked by anti-INDIAN forces. Think you all support Syed Ali SHAH GILLANI."

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Why does the government ban these kind of humanrights association which raise only when terrorists are attacked or killed. They(Human Rights Assosiations) are supporting the terrorist.
 
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Forget Kashmir, worry about your own survival: Krishna to Pak

WASHINGTON: Forget Kashmir, worry about your own survival. This was the blunt message India's external affairs minister SM Krishna gave Pakistan after Islamabad's familiar rhetoric on Kashmir at the United Nations through its foreign minister SM Qureshi scuttled an expected meeting between the two.

In some of the sharpest language emanating from India, the normally affable Krishna taunted Pakistan and its representative for using the Kashmir issue as a "ploy" to deflect attention from its parlous internal situation arising from governance issues related to home-grown terrorism and the recent floods.

Pakistan, Krishna suggested, ratcheted up the Kashmir issue whenever things were going well for India or going badly for Pakistan in a "pattern" that had been going on for sixty-plus years.

Indeed, for three days preceding Krishna's response, Qureshi cranked up rhetoric on Kashmir in a throwback to the 1990s, including at a UN address in which he demanded that Kashmiris should be allowed to exercise their right of self- determination "through a free, fair and impartial plebiscite under the United Nations auspices" and referred to human rights abuses in Kashmir. Earlier, he also sought US intervention in the matter.

Krishna's terse response, in which he pointedly referred to the "Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir," included telling an Asia Society audience that New Delhi had held many referendums in the state in form of universally recognized elections, an oblique dig at the military dominated neighbor.

In an earlier comment, Krishna had said Pakistan should "vacate" the part of Kashmir it occupies (as called for by the UN resolution), a point that New Delhi seldom makes, but seems to have been provoked into remembering because of Islamabad raising the stakes through Qureshi.

"Such unsolicited remarks will not and indeed, cannot, divert attention from the multiple problems Pakistan needs to tackle for the common good of its people, and of the entire region," Krishna said about Qureshi's rants on Kashmir in New York.

The indirect exchanges ensured that the two foreign ministers left New York for home without a formal meeting, and the incremental progress on the Kashmir issue made through back channels during the past decade, based on which the US is also pushing for a resolution, remains on ice.

In fact, the growing feeling in New Delhi and Washington is that Qureshi is merely fronting for a hard-line Pakistani military which is not inclined towards peace with India because it finds dividends in continued attrition and confrontation.

Indeed, Krishna's decision not to meet Qureshi came amid continued Pakistani resistance to act on the Mumbai terrorist attack perpetrators. In fact, it transpires that Pakistan's arrest of the key planner of the attack, Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi, is a sham.

In his book, Obama's War, Bob Woodward quotes US National Security Advisor Jim Jones as telling Pakistani leaders that Lakhvi is not being adequately interrogated, and more shockingly, "he continues to direct LeT operations from his detention center."

The books also reveals most of the US leadership regards Pakistan Army Chief Kayani as a two-faced liar, and that Pakistan has not really given up on its sponsorship of terrorism.

Still, for form's sake, Krishna said Qureshi was welcome to visit India for "some of" the Commonwealth Games where they could pick up the threads of the now tattered dialogue. Before he left New York, Qureshi, who has been insisting that he wants a "result-oriented dialogue" and not a photo-op, gave no indication if he would go to New Delhi for the Games -- or talks.
Forget Kashmir, worry about your own survival: Krishna to Pak - The Times of India
 

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Three times Krishna has opened up in recent times. One of them stated that Pak should vacate land it snatched from India and now this statement in the UN. Is Indias position on Kashmir getting hardened after toying with the idea of going soft and trying to buy peace by some give and take?

Has Pak pushed India enough to make India take a hardened stand? Whats interesting is that all the statements have come from SM Krishna the man who i think was the weak link and softest of all in the higher echelons of power.
 

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I think Krishna should have focussed more on media access in Gilgit Baltistan, Balochistan and FATA regions and lack of democracy and HR rights there. If he is taking the offensive,he should gointo specifics.
 

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ejaz, the "take care of you own country first" statement is a one line statement which included all that you have mentioned. I think in the coming days we might see specific details as well laid down. I am quite liking this now. Finally the statements coming out from south block are in tune with some that we have discussed here over a period of time. Would be interesting to see what the Pakistanis have to reply to that and what will Uncle Sam say with Obama coming.
 

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Krishna gave qureshi his due in the UNGA in front of world.Lets see what the paks think
 
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I think Krishna should have focussed more on media access in Gilgit Baltistan, Balochistan and FATA regions and lack of democracy and HR rights there. If he is taking the offensive,he should gointo specifics.
He did. When he said "territory under your control", it's obvious he meant POK. He cleverly avoided counter-accusing Pakistan on HR/democracy in POK because that would give Qureshi the opportunity of saying "now aren't you lecturing us?" Instead he just asked them to prevent export of their premium product (terror) to our territory.

By the way, Krishna doesn't need to toil hard. The world recognizes India-administered Kashmir as having superior freedom and a functioning democracy.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/fiw09/MOF09.pdf
 

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I still think that MEA and GoI has not worked its way to tackling international media. The coverage has been most of the time India being defensive which understandable because of the current unrest. But a point must come that it should get the international media to look at the big picture.

But it has to counteract the narrative and highlight points of the difference between Kashmir valley and state of J&K. Freedom like the freedom house reports between Indian and Pakistan. Pre-requistes of the plebescite. Sheikh Abdullah and the first elected parliament of J&K ratifying the ascension while no comprable elections were held until last year in Gilgit regions.

All of these in the overall picture are strong points that no one knows about. AFP articles and other newswires always talk aboutthe last twenty years and somehow all civilian casualties are caused by IA when pakistani backed militants have been reponsible for atleast 20,000 civilian deaths majority of them muslims.

Maybe official GoI should not be involved inthis. But international media, news-wire services and the like in all parts of the world are necessary. You can't take an ostrich like position but be proactive on talking to the media.
 

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I still think that MEA and GoI has not worked its way to tackling international media. The coverage has been most of the time India being defensive which understandable because of the current unrest. But a point must come that it should get the international media to look at the big picture.
No, if that was the case, countries other than Pakistan would have opinionated or urged for third-party mediation. India's position is strong, Pakistan's is failing, and nobody is advocating Pakistan in this regard.
 

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India seems to be hardening her posture towards Pakistan since they have now come to realise that Pakistan is merely playing footsie.

SM Krishna, the Foreign Minister, at the UN was quite caustic and he remind the Gen Assembly that the world was concerned about terrorism emanating from Pakistan the world over. He also told Pakistan, tongue in cheek, that Pakistan was hardly the correct country to advise India on democracy and human rights!

The Govt like Rip Van Winkle seems to have awoken.

India does not have to be apologist as far as Kashmir is concerned. All what should be done is that the issues are addressed sincerely and human rights violation, if any, should not be brushed under the carpet and at the same time, also investigate the separatists and their action to agitate the SF and take them to task too.

Once the Kashmiris see that justice is being done and their lives become better, the separatists will be isolated. By Kashmiris, I mean all parts of Kashmir and not merely the Valley.

Many Muslim Kashmiris are leaving the Valley since their business and education is being hampered. That goes to show how 'popular' the Pakistani agents Hurriyat is popular!
 
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The hurriyat and its hardline leader syeed ali sha gilani is the root cause of everything. Funded by the LeT, Hissbul- Mujjhahidin and other terror outfits he playing the game with the INDIAN youth who are unemployed to launch terror attacks. Even though the INDIAN government know this , they are not bold enough to control gilani. The ARMY is the ULTIMATE LOOSER DUE TO THE GOVERNMENT's FOOLISHNESS. Many soldiers are loosing their lives. The government is also not providing with equipment and technology for the ARMY to tackle a terrorist attack without loosing a single life. The government is at fault and we the people of INDIA, if at all have chance to stop this nonsense, we should revolt against the government.
 

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India starts scaling down security in Kashmir

(Reuters) - Authorities in Srinagar began removing some security bunkers on Tuesday as part of New Delhi's efforts to defuse tensions in the troubled region.

Kashmir has been in a siege-like state of strikes, protests and curfew for months, threatening to undermine rule from New Delhi, which has been fighting an armed separatist rebellion in the region since 1989.

More than 100 people have been killed and scores arrested in protests since June -- among the biggest since an armed separatist rebellion broke out in Kashmir in 1989.

"We have started removing (security) bunkers in Srinagar, the complete process will take couple of days," said Prabhakar Tripathy, a senior police official.

He said 16 bunkers will be removed in Srinagar, summer capital of Kashmir, one of the world's most militarised regions.

But the step may not be enough for Kashmiris who want the revocation of a widely-hated security law that gives the military sweeping powers to search, arrest or shoot protesters .

More than half a million security personnel are deployed in Kashmir, most of which, for years, has been declared "disturbed", a precondition for the application of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act.

The government had also last month said it would review the possibility of limiting the extent of the security act.

"Removal of 10, 15 bunkers is just a cosmetic step, the whole valley is like a military garrison," Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, a senior separatist leader, told Reuters.

"We demand complete withdraw of troops from other towns and unconditional revocation of all draconian laws so that on the ground people will feel a change."

The government has also promised to release jailed protesters and said a team will soon begin a dialogue with a broad cross-section of Kashmiris.

It has also announced the formation of two committees to review the military law.

New Delhi's peace initiative is mostly seen as inadequate by most Kashmiris.

The protests have subsided for about two weeks after a delegation of Indian lawmakers visited Kashmir late last month and talked to local politicians and business groups.

Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan, both of which claim the region in full. They have fought two of their three wars over the region.

Kashmiri separatists in India want to carve out an independent homeland or merge with predominantly Muslim Pakistan.




India starts scaling down security in Kashmir | Reuters
 

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No UN mediation in Kashmir until both parties ask: Ban Ki-moon
UNITED NATIONS: Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Thursday said the United Nations would play a role in resolving the situation in Kashmir when India and Pakistan wanted the world body to step in. "As far as this role of good offices is concerned, the United Nations normally takes that initiative when requested by both parties concerned," Ban told journalists during his monthly briefing at the UN Headquarters.

"India and Pakistan, they are neighbouring countries, important nations in that region - peace and security would have important implications," he said.

Kashmir Valley has been in grip of violent protests since June.

"I regret the latest loss of life. I have been calling for an immediate end to violence and urge calm and restraint by all concerned," Ban said. "That is the position of the United Nations at this time."

While India maintains that Kashmir is an internal matter, Pakistan asserts that it is on the UN docket and has been calling for international intervention especially from the United States.

Last week, external affairs minister S M Krishna told the UN that Pakistan was sponsoring terrorism in Kashmir, and this later led to a strong exchange of words between the diplomats of both nations with Islamabad accusing New Delhi of sponsoring terrorism in the region.

"Jammu and Kashmir, which is an integral part of India, is the target of Pakistan-sponsored militancy and terrorism," Krishna had said.

On Monday, Pakistan's former president Pervez Musharraf said his country had trained militants to fight in Kashmir.

"They (underground militant groups to fight against India in Kashmir) were indeed formed," Musharraf had told German magazine Der Spiegel.

Reacting to Musharraf's statement, India yesterday said the former Pakistan president's assertion that his country had trained militants to fight in Kashmir only confirms what New Delhi had been repeatedly saying over the years.

Read more: No UN mediation in Kashmir until both parties ask: Ban Ki-moon - The Times of India No UN mediation in Kashmir until both parties ask: Ban Ki-moon - The Times of India
 

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Good news for INDIA. INDIA should try and put pressure on U.S. to withdraw their support for pakistan. This is enough to get the whole of Kashmir under INDIA.
 

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Good news for INDIA. INDIA should try and put pressure on U.S. to withdraw their support for pakistan. This is enough to get the whole of Kashmir under INDIA.
We need not do anything at all. Pakistan is digging its own grave . They think they are digging it for India. They are deep into that grave and its getting deeper everyday without any rope or ladder to come out.
 

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Jammu & Kashmir's future with India: Deoband - The Times of India

Asked about the prospect of resolution of the Kashmir issue, he said, "The country is in a reconciliatory mood, be it on J&K or Ayodhya. So, reconciliation within the Indian Constitution is the way out. An overwhelming section of Kashmiris want it, too. Which stupid person would want to go with Pakistan?"
 

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J&K: Peace by Pieces?

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On 29 Sept. 2010, an NGO called the Women's Initiative for Peace in South Asia (WIPSA), organised a dialogue titled, Sisters for Peace: Voices from Kashmir, at the UN Conference Hall at Lodi Road, in collaboration with the National Foundation for India and UN Information Centre.

When some nationalists arrived at the venue on learning of the event, we found to our dismay that not a single Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, or Shia or Tribal Muslim sister or brother had been invited. The Dialogue was essentially a stage for fundamentalist Sunni Muslim women of the Kashmir Valley to air venomously anti-India views and demand secession from India in the name of Syed Ali Shah Geelani. It is a scandal that the venue was the official premises of the UN Information Centre, an international platform in the national capital.

The organisers included Planning Commission member Dr Syeda Hameed, who enjoys Minister of State rank in the Government of India; former National Women's Commission chairperson Dr Mohini Giri, wife of late President V.V. Giri; former MP Subhasini Ali, the principal of a Delhi University college (a government employee); a number of leftist activists and journalists.

This raises serious questions about dual employment and loyalties – persons with employment and status in one arena (often Government) are misusing that status to undermine the foundations of the Indian state, that too, in concert with foreign agencies.


The United Nations has played a dubious, anti-India role in the Kashmir crisis from the beginning. We need only recall the role of Sir Owen Dixon and Josef Korbel, and never forget that the Western agenda of an independent Kashmir is very much alive and kicking. The seminar was clearly a build up to the arrival of American President Barack Obama in Delhi next month; on 5 Sept. some American Embassy officials visited the Valley.

Unfortunately, a section of the Indian government seems to have facilitated this seminar, otherwise United Nations would not dare operate in a manner so contrary to its Charter, and injurious to the interests of the host country. Union Home Secretary G.K. Pillai was asked to come at the end to receive the recommendations of the seminar, and no one in the UN staff in Delhi warned him that secessionist slogans were made throughout the day and it would be advisable for him to stay away.

The bias of the organisers was visible throughout. A young man, Sajjad of Kargil, Ladakh, sitting in the back row with us, stood up to intervene in the debate. He said, "it is only the Valley that wants azadi, and even these groups are divided. We are being hit, tourist buses are being attacked and sent back, and we are the losers. We do not want azadi. We have no identity till today, we are not recognised, even the peace delegation (led by Chidambaram) never came here." The organisers immediately asked to him to stop, and when he tried to persist with his views, was rudely told to 'shut up.'

Then, a doctor from the Kashmiri Pandit community, who had fled after the brutalization of the community in 1990, stood up and said, "we are 4 lakh refugees today from the 1990 mass exodus. Only one side of story is told. There was the 1997 massacre of Sangrampura, then Nandimarg, then Chittisingpora"¦ The whole conflict is about erasing the Indian identity and pluralism; recently ultimatum was also given to the Sikh community. The core issue is the Indian identity of Kashmir. Pandits are stakeholders, but only 2500 are left in valley. So are Ladakh Buddhists, Sikhs, Jammu widows. We want political rehabilitation of minorities. A nurse keeping tabs on the militants in the valley, Sarla Bhatt, was divided into two pieces"¦" [This was too much for the organisers and he was sharply silenced].

Not one of the organisers/panelists had the moral or intellectual integrity to ask how the situation in the Valley deteriorated to the point that a small community of Hindus was raped, killed, brutalized and terrorized and made to flee in the biting winter of January 1990? Or question the subsequent massacres of Hindus. Yet they had the audacity – or monetary compensation – to say that Hindus (and Hindus only) must stop the litany of injustices and break out of victimhood. Such dishonesty raises questions about why UN allowed this meeting on its premises. Government of India must insist on an enquiry and removal of all involved in this decision.

The day belonged to the Kashmiri Muslim women and their quest for Azadi. Anjum Zamarud Habib of the Geelani Hurriyat faction made a sharp political speech about self-determination. "Boys with stones in hand can never be defeated. I tell you, they can never be defeated," she screeched. Asked to wrap up, she said, 'I will not speak at all if you stop me.' They were cowed down and never stopped another Muslim speaker that day. Habib continued, 'The youth daily carry coffins on their shoulders; the women are dishonoured, the men are alive to take revenge – that is the reality.'

A young Muslim woman with a black scarf said, "Hamara buniyadi haq hai azadi"¦" She was allowed to show a film clip showing some scenes of violence allegedly by security forces, and a picture of Geelani. She raised shrill slogans about dismembering India, against which Mrs Nancy Kaul, a Pandit activist, protested strongly. At this, Ms Syeda Hameed and Mohini Giri rushed from across the hall and physically silenced Mrs Kaul and made her sit down. The young woman continued to shout for some time.

When the commotion ended, I took the mike and raised a point of order: "The seminar cannot continue without a clarification. We were told this is not a political forum, yet slogans and demands for secession from the Indian nation have been raised openly in the presence of a sitting member of the Planning Commission and a former chairperson of the National Women's Commission. So you two please clarify your stand on this." Startled, Dr Syeda Hameed clammed up and Dr Mohini Giri pleaded, 'my daughter, she has a right to speak, let us listen to all." A rabid woman journalist added, "everyone speaks like this in Srinagar and the streets of Kashmir."

Then, Quratulain, a teacher in a government college in Srinagar, Hameeda Nayeem of Kashmir, and another gentleman, made similar hate speeches against India. When the recommendations were finalised, Subhasini Ali said we must demand 50% women among the interlocutors on Kashmir being appointed by the Home Ministry. It is our considered opinion that none of the women present at this seminar should be included.

The author is Editor, Vijayvaani.com. The article was written for Panchjanya weekly
 
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