J20 Stealth Fighter

[MiG-29SMT]

I will still believe the US government versus Saddam government and China or Russia or North Korea.

who you believe is your personal decision, but is not a way history works the problem is historians do not do that only propagandists do that, your position is of a propagandist, a historian tests and weighs all eveidence regarless you like the sources or not.

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[asianobserve]

who you believe is your personal decision, but is not a way history works the problem is historians do not do that only propagandists do that, your position is of a propagandist, a historian tests and weighs all eveidence ragarless you like the sources or not.

I always test the information I take in with various reliable sources. That's why I never subscribe to xonspiracy theories.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

I always test the information I take in with various reliable sources. That's why I never subscribe to xonspiracy theories.

evidence is not about conspiracy theories is part of any scientific work.

For example see these J-20s all are with AL-31, if the ones of WS-10s were already ready of better would not be better show them in the parade as a proof their engine is better?

The evidence shows Al-31 is the one of parades

 

[asianobserve]

evidence is not about conspiracy theories is part of any scientific work.

For example see these J-20s all are with AL-31, if the ones of WS-10s were already ready of better would not be better show them in the parade as a proof their engine is better?

The evidence shows Al-31 is the one of parades
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You simply cannot rely from the Chinese government.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

You simply cannot rely from the Chinese government.

i will be utterly honest.

Do i like the CCP? No i do not.

But it does not mean all is wrong with them, the fact is China now has a very advanced Industry, has less powerty than before.

The reality is I try to be fair, I do not like their political system, I know there are human rights abuses, but I also know China is one of the safest countries on earth.

China has like any country bad and good sides, bad and good people , I do not want to live in their political system, and their represive human rights policies nor their imperial ambitions.

In few words we have to be fair

 

[asianobserve]

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i will be utterly honest.

Do i like the CCP? No i do not.

But it does not mean all is wrong with them, the fact is China now has a very advanced Industry, has less powerty than before.

The reality is I try to be fair, I do not like their political system, I know there are human rights abuses, but I also know China is one of the safest countries on earth.

China has like any country bad and good sides, bad and good people , I do not want to live in their political system, and their represive human rights policies nor their imperial ambitions.

In few words we have to be fair

The whole CCP is a lying machine. And Chinese military tech (mostly borrowed late Soviet tech) is 2 generations behind the US.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The whole CCP is a lying machine. And Chinese military tech (mostly borrowed late Soviet tech) is 2 generations behind the US.

J-20 does not have soviet pedigree beyond the the ventral fins.

J-20 we like it or not is a Modern aircraft, does it have soviet tech, yes, the Al-31s is one, but the basic Shape is american influenced.

To see the jet is not belittle it, I do think the Rafale on WVR combat can beat it, with supercruise it will outrun J-20, but as a threat well is not so low, it represent a moden attempt of a F-35 clone and in order to beat it you have to see the jet it was planed by brilliant people under a philosophy of stealth and aerodynamics blend

 

[rockdog]

The whole CCP is a lying machine. And Chinese military tech (mostly borrowed late Soviet tech) is 2 generations behind the US.

It's not about where those tech originated, it's about whether you have determination to go absorb - develop process, and become industrilized.

Your nation Philippines was the richest nation in Asia during 1960s', now it's just only famouse for selling banana , female home servants and call center seats ...

As a 100 million population country, you never know how to be industrilized, look at Japan, S.Korea they are in the same size as you, and they learned lots of tech from Western, where are they now, and your nation just become a pedo paradise to those westerners ? So you still have face to blame East Asia nations to learn from western?

 

[asianobserve]

J-20 does not have soviet pedigree beyond the the ventral fins.

J-20 we like it or not is a Modern aircraft, does it have soviet tech, yes, the Al-31s is one, but the basic Shape is american influenced.

To see the jet is not belittle it, I do think the Rafale on WVR combat can beat it, with supercruise it will outrun J-20, but as a threat well is not so low, it represent a moden attempt of a F-35 clone and in order to beat it you have to see the jet it was planed by brilliant people under a philosophy of stealth and aerodynamics blend

I am not an engineer but the J-20 looks like a modified version of Mig 1.44.

 

[asianobserve]

It's not about where those tech originated, it's about whether you have determination to go absorb - develop process, and become industrilized.

Your nation Philippines was the richest nation in Asia during 1960s', now it's just only famouse for selling banana , female home servants and call center seats ...

As a 100 million population country, you never know how to be industrilized, look at Japan, S.Korea they are in the same size as you, and they learned lots of tech from Western, where are they now, and you?

Wait until I become President. I will usher in Asian Phoenix and defeat Asian bully.

 

[asianobserve]

Looks like a peacock and used as a peacock...

 

[johnq]

The J-20s RCS is at least 2 orders of magnitude higher than the F-35, and most likely even worse, even in x band from the front (most likely 0.5 square meters or higher). This is due to its design flaws such as canards, joints and sharp corners, which are resonance hotspots, lack of decent, reliable RAM (due to limitations in materials technology) as well as radar/radome still being exposed to enemy radar (because CCP military has still not figured out how to hide them). Then there are the avionics and sensors of the J-20 which are several generations behind modern western avionics and sensors due to being copied from outdated, severely downgraded Russian technology from the 1990s. And the same holds true for J-20s weapons, which also have back-end technology copied from severely downgraded 1990s Russian technology. People think that if you just put together a bunch of T/R modules in the front that you have an advanced radar. But that is not enough, especially if the backend is based off of old technology. Which means that in any encounter with modern western platforms, the J-20 and its weapons will be jammed and disabled.
Beyond all this, the J-20 is still having major reliability issues due to weak, unreliable engine technology and other issues.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

I am not an engineer but the J-20 looks like a modified version of Mig 1.44.

It is not a modified version of the MiG-1.44.

The jet has maybe some influence, even some knowledge from that project.
However Russia has never claimed MiG had some input in the program.

The case of J-10 is different, there is evidence it is based upon Lavi.

But J-20 is based upon an original Chinese design that very likely took some information from the F-35 program and perhaps some Russian research but not directly from MiG1.44.

I mean the basic concept probably was based but the final product is chinese and different

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The J-20s RCS is at least 2 orders of magnitude higher than the F-35, and most likely even worse, even in x band from the front (most likely 0.5 square meters or higher). This is due to its design flaws such as canards, joints and sharp corners, which are resonance hotspots, lack of decent, reliable RAM (due to limitations in materials technology) as well as radar/radome still being exposed to enemy radar (because CCP military has still not figured out how to hide them). Then there are the avionics and sensors of the J-20 which are several generations behind modern western avionics and sensors due to being copied from outdated, severely downgraded Russian technology from the 1990s. And the same holds true for J-20s weapons, which also have back-end technology copied from severely downgraded 1990s Russian technology. People think that if you just put together a bunch of T/R modules in the front that you have an advanced radar. But that is not enough, especially if the backend is based off of old technology. Which means that in any encounter with modern western platforms, the J-20 and its weapons will be jammed and disabled.
Beyond all this, the J-20 is still having major reliability issues due to weak, unreliable engine technology and other issues.

I would like to share your optimism, however I think that statement is hard to prove, in the case of MiG-25 many myths were debunked in 1976 when one was flown to Japan.

In 1989, MiG-29 was tested by the Luftwaffe.

I mean there are two ways to know how good it is, first lay a hand on it, or down one of them, I mean downing one with a Rafale or even Su-30MKI or capture one or get one export version.

The rest can be a flawed analysis, not necesarily wrong pretty much it could be right, but also wrong.

 

[rockdog]

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I would like to share your optimism, however I think that statement is hard to prove, in the case of MiG-25 many myths were debunked in 1976 when one was flown to Japan.

In 1989, MiG-29 was tested by the Luftwaffe.

I mean there are two ways to know how good it is, first lay a hand on it, or down one of them, I mean downing one with a Rafale or even Su-30MKI or capture one or get one export version.

The rest can be a flawed analysis, not necesarily wrong pretty much it could be right, but also wrong.

In fact there are many other ways than so called Mig-25 myths way.

From Chinna's total GDP/PPP, percentage of military budget from GDP, you would know if go for full speed, producing 200-500 fighters won't be a big issue financially, USA is almost making one F35 daily.

For fast building on LHD and AC, you would know that productivities won't be a problem. The problem only exist country like India, they spent 10+ year for one 70% finished AC, meanwhile China launched 2.5 ACs and 3LHDs, 6 LPDs.

For the leading position of like Huawei on 5G, you would know that for electronic technology, Radar, materials the China is also among the top3 in the world, which is crucial part of J20 technology.

For engines, within recent 10 yrs, China just finished the localization on GT25000，LM2500 level, which means China's engine tech is no doubt still 15 - 25 yrs behind USA and Russsia.

China owns worlds fastest supercomputers, we would know the capabilities of stealth won't be bad, it needs massive caulculation and simulation. Same to the coming H20.

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[MiG-29SMT]

In fact there are many other ways than so called Mig-25 myths way.

From Chinna's total GDP/PPP, percentage of military budget from GDP, you would know if go for full speed, producing 200-500 fighters won't be a big issue financially, USA is almost making one F35 daily.

For fast building on LHD and AC, you would know that productivities won't be a problem. The problem only exist country like India, they spent 10+ year for one 70% finished AC, meanwhile China launched 2.5 ACs and 3LHDs, 6 LPDs.

For the leading position of like Huawei on 5G, you would know that for electronic technology, Radar, materials the China is also among the top3 in the world, which is crucial part of J20 technology.

For engines, within recent 10 yrs, China just finished the localization on GT25000，LM2500 level, which means China's engine tech is no doubt still 15 - 25 yrs behind USA and Russsia.

China owns worlds fastest supercomputers, we would know the capabilities of stealth won't be bad, it needs massive caulculation and simulation. Same to the coming H20.

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get the reality Europe is not behind China in tech, nor Japan China is among the 10 top countries in industry among them India and even Brazil but you can not dream Europe is done, in fact Europe will lead the world China, Russia and the USA are just pawns of Europe.

 

[omaebakabaka]

get the reality Europe is not behind China in tech, nor Japan China is among the 10 top countries in industry among them India and even Brazil but you can not dream Europe is done, in fact Europe will lead the world China, Russia and the USA are just pawns of Europe.

they will lead the world wearing silk underwear, look at their leadership and how the female leadership has ruined the Europe along with their half men....Europe and west are victim of eating their own shit. The innovation will continue due to inertia but they are already yielding to Asia

 

[MiG-29SMT]

they will lead the world wearing silk underwear, look at their leadership and how the female leadership has ruined the Europe along with their half men....Europe and west are victim of eating their own shit. The innovation will continue due to inertia but they are already yielding to Asia

To understand who leads the world you just need to see the high tech connections

Airbus and Boeing fly engines built in Europe and the USA.

Yielding is a big word but is not true.
Europe will lead because they are supranational governments. their 6th generation fighter is a multinational aircraft.

So i will put it simple Europe leads because represents globalization and the world government.
Their industry also are international monopolies.

Boeing and Airbus (F-35 is a multinational program) Eurofighter same same is Tiger Helo, why? it is cheaper to buy a binational product and a multinational product is much Cheaper.


Only Europe and the USA are 2 times the economy of China.

Europe and the USA will have at least 4 6th generation fighters.

Why? pooling resources on multinational programs alllow more expensive programs that would overwhelm a single nation.

Europe represents the world government as Airbus represents a world class aircraft industry.

F-35 production numbers are higher than J-20, why? simple many nations buy it

 

[rockdog]

get the reality Europe is not behind China in tech, nor Japan China is among the 10 top countries in industry among them India and even Brazil but you can not dream Europe is done, in fact Europe will lead the world China, Russia and the USA are just pawns of Europe.

It's kind of empty talk.

In fact, in our military community for years we did simulations by using wargame software like CMANO. If you have time you would try it, but the startup is quite complicatd. The confiugration of J20 is set by the CMANO official, and we used it to battle with F15J and F35, of course F15J is not the latest type of F15 family, but the whole story is quite interesting.

 

[smartnet]

evidence is not about conspiracy theories is part of any scientific work.

For example see these J-20s all are with AL-31, if the ones of WS-10s were already ready of better would not be better show them in the parade as a proof their engine is better?

The evidence shows Al-31 is the one of parades
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The J20 participating in the military parade is from the Wanghai Flying Brigade, and its equipment J20 is not new. This unit participated in the Korean War. This is a political decision.