J20 Stealth Fighter

[BangaliBabu]

yeah, the oil tanker parades have "numerous" ballistic missiles Smol brains, can't blame them for thinking everything can be mass-produced

 

[ARVION]

yeah, the oil tanker parades have "numerous" ballistic missiles

H 6 KN's or H 6 N's.

 

[J20!]

what a childish guy it is obvious you do not comprehend what means nuclear war, for starters China and India have high density

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China will not win nor India will win only a fool thinks China and India can win, the fact is

1. Tokyo (Population: 37,435,191)
2. Delhi (Population: 29,399,141)
3. Shanghai (Population: 26,317,104)
4. Sao Paulo (Population: 21,846,507)
5. Mexico City (Population: 21,671,908)
6. Cairo (Population: 20,484,965)
7. Dhaka (Population: 20,283,552)
8. Mumbai (Population: 20,185,064)
9. Beijing (Population: 20,035,455)
10. Osaka (Population: 19,222,665)

only 10 cities have 200 million people got it? if there is a war there is not need for too many nukes to kill 100 million people in China or India.

Largest Cities by Population 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

J-20 is utterly useless, China and India will be highly mouled, continue dreaming, India already has the ability to stop China only fools think J-20 makes China superior, J-20 is for small war, Agni V for big war

You're being deliberately dense. Even the DF21 can reach Indian population centers like Delhi with nuclear payloads.

For the reverse, only Agni 3 and 5 can reach Chinese pop centers on the East coast. How many do they have in inventory versus the PLARF blaistic missiles capable covering the entire Indian subcontinent?

Both Chinese and Indian militaries maintain conventional arms because they both realise that nuclear exchanges are prohibitively costly in lives and resources. Which is why they both have NO FIRST use policies.

So why are you trying to compare J20 to nuclear weapons? India doesn't have an equivalent and won't have 1 till at least the 2030s. If J20 is useless then every aircraft in the IAFs inventory is useless too.

Stop going off topic.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

still our nuclear weapons are capable enough to shatter your dreams of becoming super power. Anyway both country follow NFU policy so this discussion is irrelevant.

Thanks to those weapons the PLAAF will not dare a wrong move, Venezuela for example can have air space violations easily, what can they do? India has the ability that if the IAF is uncapable to deal up to some level, the nuclear buttom will call the PLAAF or the RuAF or the USAF or any big air force stay away of Indian aerospace.

So what might look weakness, India is not weak, aircraft are important, LCA or future aircraft, but they are not strategic weapons, aircraft can not by them selves win wars, these days is the threat of nukes and financial embargoes, China understood it just call for a ban on Tik Tok and get ready with nukes, the Chinese understood you do not need f-22s to tell the other side stay quiet, relax.

J-20 can be used against Philipines to scare them, and I am sure they will try to violate the airspace of Taiwan or Philipines with J-20 but to a bully you need a big stick to scare them off, and India has the stick to scare the bully regarless you have not a stealth fighter fielded

 

[BangaliBabu]

yeah we will beat our drums to tell those quint eyes how many we are stocking up to target them Smol ego Cho smol.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

still our nuclear weapons are capable enough to shatter your dreams of becoming super power. Anyway both country follow NFU policy so this discussion is irrelevant.

You're being deliberately dense. Even the DF21 can reach Indian population centers like Delhi with nuclear payloads.

For the reverse, only Agni 3 and 5 can reach Chinese pop centers on the East coast. How many do they have in inventory versus the PLARF blaistic missiles capable covering the entire Indian subcontinent?


Both Chinese and Indian militaries maintain conventional arms because they both realise that nuclear exchanges are prohibitively costly in lives and resources. Which is why they both have NO FIRST use policies.

So why are you trying to compare J20 to nuclear weapons? India doesn't have an equivalent and won't have 1 till at least the 2030s. If J20 is useless then every aircraft in the IAFs inventory is useless too.

Stop going off topic.

going out of topic haha what if India did not have nukes? do you think the Chinese dictator would not feel tempted to attack India like they did to tibet?


get it J-20 is to attack weak nations, so India needs the nukes to make sure an advantage in conventional weapons does not mean an strategic weapons disadvantage do not be so hypocrite, thanks to its nuke India has freedom regardless they might be a few years behind China in aerospace weapons.

And you know I like India is free

 

[J20!]

going out of topic haha what if India did not have nukes? do you think the Chinese dictator would not field tempted to attack India like they did to tibet?


get it J-20 is to attack weak nations, so India needs the nukes to make sure an advantage in conventional weapons does not mean an strategic weapons do not be so hypocrite, thanks to its nuke India has freedom regardless they might be a few years behind China in aerospace weapons

*sigh* If aerial combat between the IAF and the PLAAF were to break out over Pangong Tso and J20's got involved; are you claiming that India would launch a nuclear attack ON china's cities?

1. That wouldn't happen because India has a no first use policy on its nuclear arsenal.

2. It won't happen because any nuclear launches on China would precipitate a nuclear retaliation FROM China.

3. The PLARF has more nuclear weapons in its inventory and more nuclear delivery platforms. DF21, DF17, DF 26, DF31, DF41, DF5 vs just Agni III and V.

4. PLAAF has more long range delivery platforms than the IAF H6K + CJ10 vs M2000

5. The Chinese navy has more delivery platforms than the IN. Type 094 + JL2 vs Arihant + K15/K4

A nuclear attack from India would be subject to retaliation from the PLA's nuclear triad; which has greater capability than Indians inventory of AGNI 3 and 5, Arihant and M2000.

So why are you bringing up nukes in a discussion about stealth fighters?

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

Why are you pivoting to nuclear weapons to dispute that India has no equivalent to the J20 and won't have one in place for a decade and more to come?

Even in the nuclear sphere, China has many more nuclear ballistic missiles capable of hitting Indian industrial and population centers than India does capable of hitting China's eastern seaboard.

How many AgniV's does India have operational VS DF26, DF17, DF41, DF31 and DF5? Brahmos is an ASM. Is it even nuclear capable? H6K + CJ10 in terms of nuclear delivery is a capability that the IAF cannot match aside from 50 M2000's with short range nuclear missiles incapable of reaching China's coastal cities.

Stop trying to hide behind nuclear exchanges between China and India because either way India would suffer many more casualties than China would. India doesn't have enough nuclear delivery systems in place to compensate for the damage it would receive in an exchange WITH China. That's just a fact. Even the Chinese Navy could cover the entire Indian mainland from the SCS with JL2s from their Type 094's.

I think rafale will be equivalent to j20, judging by the result of Gripen vs j10 and j11 . Yes Swedes shares that result quite widely to get fighter jet deal. And Rafale is also generation ahead of Gripen in every other role judging by the leaked Swiss competition . Secondly our nuclear forces are such that our ssbn are coming for Pakistan only for now . . majority of nuclear arsenal barring 20/30 Agni 1 , all are reserved for you. Agni 2 with a range more than 3k are mostly in North eastern area. Half of Agni 3 are also deployed in North East barring the rail launched ones . There locations varies from time to time. Agni 4 - 20 and Agni 5 was put into service in 2018. Now we might have at least 10 of them maybe more , afterall Agni 5 is tested 7 times. So we had enough nukes for MAD scenario. You don't need 100s of missile for MAD. You need only 100 nuclear warheads to deter multiple nation's. North Korea with its few nuclear weapons does it quite well. answer my one question why do you think USA with all of its stealth jets don't capture Russian territory. the answer is tactical nukes. That's makes things far more complicated. Now we both know we both have tactical nukes but not in numbers. Only short war will happen if it happens at all in which you will not have any advantage if we use our airforce. And once ballistic missile starting flying away - game over for both of us. Even if you have more population alive than us , we will still make sure you go with us. Besides nothing of this sort will happen. In other words you can't use your greatest advantage that is your huge arsenal of ballistic missile against a nuclear power nation's. J20 is a threat to the aircraft like su30 , mig29upg but I hardly doubt it would be a threat against rafale . Ofcourse we would need more than 100 rafale to counter substantial number of j20.

 

[J20!]

Thanks to those weapons the PLAAF will not dare a wrong move, Venezuela for example can have air space violations easily, what can they do? India has the ability that if the IAF is uncapable to deal up to some level, the nuclear buttom will call the PLAAF or the RuAF or the USAF or any big air force stay away of Indian aerospace.

So what might look weakness, India is not weak, aircraft are important, LCA or future aircraft, but they are not strategic weapons, aircraft can not by them selves win wars, these days is the threat of nukes and financial embargoes, China understood it just call for a ban on Tik Tok and get ready with nukes, the Chinese understood you do not need f-22s to tell the other side stay quiet, relax.

J-20 can be used against Philipines to scare them, and I am sure they will try to violate the airspace of Taiwan or Philipines with J-20 but to a bully you need a big stick to scare them off, and India has the stick to scare the bully regarless you have not a stealth fighter fielded

Bullshit. The Indian military has had many confrontations with Pakistan since both nations became nuclear capable, yet neither of them has launched nukes in response.

You're hiding behind nukes to avoid the obvious fact that the IAF has no equivalent to the PLAAFs growing stealth fighter fleet.

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

Bullshit. The Indian military has had many confrontations with Pakistan since both nations became nuclear capable, yet neither of them has launched nukes in response.

You're hiding behind nukes to avoid the obvious fact that the IAF has no equivalent to the PLAAFs growing stealth fighter fleet.

Lol can you explain me which type of confrontations.? Kargil war - neither Pakistan nor did India declared nuclear weapon state. After that nothing happened barring some airstrikes. And if you believe that your airforce can have any advantage in short confrontation then you are really overestimating your capabilities. Our answer to j20 right now is rafale and in future if we made deals with USA /Russia will be f35/su57.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

*sigh* If aerial combat between the IAF and the PLAAF were to break out over Pangong Tso and J20's got involved; are you claiming that India would launch a nuclear attack ON china's cities?

1. That wouldn't happen because India has a no first use policy on its nuclear arsenal.

2. It won't happen because any nuclear launches on China would precipitate a nuclear retaliation FROM China.

3. The PLARF has more nuclear weapons in its inventory and more nuclear delivery platforms. DF21, DF17, DF 26, DF31, DF41, DF5 vs just Agni III and V.

4. PLAAF has more long range delivery platforms than the IAF H6K + CJ10 vs M2000

5. The Chinese navy has more delivery platforms than the IN. Type 094 + JL2 vs Arihant + K15/K4

A nuclear attack from India would be subject to retaliation from the PLA's nuclear triad; which has greater capability than Indians inventory of AGNI 3 and 5, Arihant and M2000.

So why are you bringing up nukes in a discussion about stealth fighters?

Relax let your Chinese pride do not get up to your head, get it a nuclear war even a limited down will destroy the economy of both nations and international commerce that internal divisions, political break ups and plagues and famine will be rampant besides the ecological damage and lack of medican services you fantasy land is to think this is the century of China and J-20 will allow you to reach the american dream in China, get it a limited war will disastrous to both nations so If China has J-20 and India Rafale or LCA does not matter no one wants to destroy the economy even in a very limted war where 200 or 300 million die, got it!


If India did not have AGNI V i can assure China will claim India belongs to them, and after i saw the racist treatment of africans and Uiguir in China I can be assure those J-20 are for enslavement, good India can give you a bloody nose you will not dare to do it, i hate hypocresy, China thinks Asia belongs to them, basically is Japan Empire 2.0 and J-20 Zero 2.0

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Bullshit. The Indian military has had many confrontations with Pakistan since both nations became nuclear capable, yet neither of them has launched nukes in response.

You're hiding behind nukes to avoid the obvious fact that the IAF has no equivalent to the PLAAFs growing stealth fighter fleet.

They do not go to full war because they know it is stupid to do it regardless China gives J-31 to Pakistan or JF-17

 

[J20!]

Lol can you explain me which type of confrontations.? Kargil war - neither Pakistan nor did India declared nuclear weapon state. After that nothing happened barring some airstrikes. And if you believe that your airforce can have any advantage in short confrontation then you are really overestimating your capabilities. Our answer to j20 right now is rafale and in future if we made deals with USA /Russia will be f35/su57.

@MiG-29SMT is claiming that India will nuke China if J20 is used in a China v India aerial confrontation.

But I remember last year when Pakistan and the IAF where bombing each other and shooting each others aircraft down yet not a single nuclear exchange happened.

 

[J20!]

Relax let your Chinese pride do not get up to your head, get it a nuclear war even a limited down will destroy the economy of both nations and international commerce that internal divisions, political break ups and plagues and famine will be rampant besides the ecological damage and lack of medican services you fantasy land is to think this is the century of China and J-20 will allow you to reach the american dream in China, get it a limited war will disastrous to both nations so If China has J-20 and India Rafale or LCA does not matter no one wants to destroy the economy even in a very limted war where 200 or 300 million die, got it!

That's exactly why India would never launch a suicidal nuclear attack against Chinese cities to counter J20.

You're the one claiming Indian politicians will sacrifice 100s of millions of Indians in a nuclear exchange because of the J20.

J20 and all other Chinese fighters are tactical assets, so why are you bringing up strategic assets?

Your argument seems to be more about your injured pride than it is about mine mate. Calm down.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

@MiG-29SMT is claiming that India will nuke China if J20 is used in a China v India aerial confrontation.

But I remember last year when Pakistan and the IAF where bombing each other and shooting each others aircraft down yet not a single nuclear exchange happened.

Short decisive war possible without tripping Nuclear button. As every other weapon nuclear missile is also losing it's strategic deterrence india - China nuclear armed countries having a conflict at LAC itself shows this. In 90s this would have been impossible to imagine. Two nuclear armed countries going to war.
Anyway Yes india doesn't have any 5th generation aircraft for now because in the mind of Indian planners J-20 is not a silver bullet for now it will take time to mature ( J-20 is not deployed near LAC till now) if india really want to go with J-20 to match Chinese we can go with Su-57 or F-35 instantly.

Anyway india can deploy it's smaller range N - missiles to near China border for greater range and thinking that india will post numbers of active nukes on internet is funny.
But at least i can assure you if we go in launching missile mode we will end up destroying each other fully.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

That's exactly why India would never launch a suicidal nuclear attack against Chinese cities to counter J20.

You're the one claiming Indian politicians will sacrifice 100s of millions of Indians in a nuclear exchange because of the J20.

J20 and all other Chinese fighters are tactical assets, so why are you bringing up strategic assets?

Your argument seems to be more about your injured pride than it is about mine mate. Calm down.

you are too hypocrite to admit in real life a bully will always oppress, what about the urguir? or Tibet? or Taiwan? whay China needs J-20 to attack countries without nukes, tell me how long is going to last the Philipines without American Aid? or Vietnam without western aid?


Or Mongolia?


Tell me what can the Mongolain air force do versus the J-20 or J-10C without Russian nuclear umbrella? You are a hypocrite since J-20 is and is intended to fight nations that have small air forces and no nuclear option.

an Imperialistic weapon that is J-20`s real purpose

versus the Mongolain air force MiG-29 yes J-20 is a very good advantge

what about MiG-31 with kinzhal or Su-30 with brahmos?

The difference between Mongolia and India is simple, India will really mauld China, Mongolia will not, got it !

Remember India also has MiG-29s

 

[Assassin 2.0]

you are too hypocrite to admit in real life a bully will always oppress, what about the urguir? or Tibet? or Taiwan? whay China needs J-20 to attack countries without nukes, tell me how long is going to last the Philipines without American Aid? or Vietnam without western aid?


Or Mongolia?


Tell me what can the Mongolain air force without Russian nuclear umbrella? You are a hypocrite since J-20 is and is intended to fight nations that have small air forces and no nuclear option.

an Imperialistic weapon that is J-20`s real purpose

versus the Mongolain air force MiG-29 yes J-20 is a very good advantge

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what about MiG-31 with kinzhal or Su-30 with brahmos?

The difference between Mongolia and India is simple, India will really mould China, Mongolia will not, got it !

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India have maintained conventional capabilities and Chinese have dependence on indian market too. For decades india allowed Chinese dumping goods to flood our markets and allowed them in different sector which eventually hurted our industries but we did that to support better relationship with China. If chinese start ramming our cities with aircraft for no reason then india will also start building more and more force near China border and may do the same.

If india didn't have the conventional punch then Chinese till now would have dissolved Arunachal Pradesh.
Anyway Chinese in this whole LAC crisis will Chinese provide how much high escalation leader will go. Till now whatever aircraft they have been deployed is matched with SU-30 Mig-29 and mirage - 2000.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Short decisive war possible without tripping Nuclear button. As every other weapon nuclear missile is also losing it's strategic deterrence india - China nuclear armed countries having a conflict at LAC itself shows this. In 90s this would have been impossible to imagine. Two nuclear armed countries going to war.
Anyway Yes india doesn't have any 5th generation aircraft for now because in the mind of Indian planners J-20 is not a silver bullet for now it will take time to mature ( J-20 is not deployed near LAC till now) if india really want to go with J-20 to match Chinese we can go with Su-57 or F-35 instantly.

Anyway india can deploy it's smaller range N - missiles to near China border for greater range and thinking that india will post numbers of active nukes on internet is funny.
But at least i can assure you if we go in launching missile mode we will end up destroying each other fully.

I said J-20 is useful for skirmish war, where one or two Su-30MKIs face one or 2 J-10s and J-20 hits one or 2 Su-30MKI, in that case yes it is a weapon that will be helpful.


But why do you think India used MiG-21s versus Pakistan in 2019? simple sending weak fighters is a way to say we are not escalating, Russia and the west had such confrontations in the past too, but once they go full power then is when J-20 is utterly useless, so it does not matter if Indai flies Rafales versus a Few J-20s, cruise missiles are weapons that can be fire far from the fighters of the interceptors by either subs, Ships, artillery vehicles or Rafales in the case of India, J-20 will not make any difference.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

India have maintained conventional capabilities and Chinese have dependence on indian market too. For decades india allowed Chinese dumping goods to flood our markets and allowed them in different sector which eventually hurted our industries but we did that to support better relationship with China. If chinese start ramming our cities with aircraft for no reason then india will also start building more and more force near China border and may do the same.

If india didn't have the conventional punch then Chinese till now would have dissolved Arunachal Pradesh.
Anyway Chinese in this whole LAC crisis will Chinese provide how much high escalation leader will go. Till now whatever aircraft they have been deployed is matched with SU-30 Mig-29 and mirage - 2000.

that is the first layer of defence, J-20 is their first layer of defence too, but in total war they are useless once they going full power, Mirage 2000s are only a way to say if you entered by accident well we will just send you a couple of magic or matra missiles, by accident means you supposed to forgive them, but in june 15 2020 you saw theya re willing to kills even with fists and rocks, imagine if you did not have AGNI V?

 

[Assassin 2.0]

I said J-20 is useful for skirmish war, where one or two Su-30MKIs face one or 2 J-10s and J-20 hits one or 2 Su-30MKI, in that case yes it is a weapon that will be helpful.


But why do you think India used MiG-21s versus Pakistan in 2019? simple sending weak fighters is a way to say we are not escalating, Russia and the west had such confrontations in the past too, but once they go full power then is when J-20 is utterly useless, so it does not matter if Indai flies Rafales versus a Few J-20s, cruise missiles are weapons that can be fire far from the fighters of the interceptors by either subs, Ships, artillery vehicles or Rafales in the case of India, J-20 will not make any difference.

But bro we can't just depend on Nukes for example Chinese and india are having conflict over a inhabited strategic land where this whole thing is going on our main goal is to be deterrent to Chinese advances if we don't build up conventional capabilities and Chinese out power us on ground and capture the area it will be sufficient to establish Chinese dominance in the region. And amid all this we decided not to nuke Beijing because of 10-20KM of land loss will be ours.

Chinese threat wad undermine in india for decades but now looks like their is some awakening on that front with procuring new light tanks and new aircrafts.



In 2019 india caught Pakistani bluff second time after kargil. Pakistani said we will nuke if india if they do something funny but we striked them and when they came we used whatever aircraft which was on petrol sending mig-21 was not intentional and desired. Anyway india clearly gave threat to Pakistan to rapidly release our pilot or we will take some actions. ( and technically saying we didn't had any desired goal after the strike we did what we wanted to do on 26 feb by striking Pakistan mainland) india removed article 370 Pakistan cried alot on internet and in international community but still didn't declared a war.