ISRO's low-cost launch service irks US companies

[Kshatriya87]

Moreover, from Indian link.
http://m.indiatimes.com/news/india/...hey-re-trying-to-ban-isro-rockets-252968.html


@Illusive @Superdefender @Gessler @Navnit Kundu @abingdonboy

Already banned. And despite the ban, we are launching US satellites. Embarrassing situation for americans.

 

[Kshatriya87]

US is a capitalist country and if we can launch their satellite at low cost than their govt can not stop their companies. We should reduce the cost further of launch so that we can destroy American commercial satellite establishment.

We are already the cheapest launchers out there. We shouldn't reduce it too much as the money earned from the profits can very well be used for further space research and lunar / sonar missions.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Well this is business.... India is doing good. And they cannot force people to buy costly things. India can attract better

Exactly. Even if they enforce a ban in USA, we will still keep getting offers for European satellite launches.

 

[Kshatriya87]

We are under no lawful or moral obligation to agree with international rates. Did the Americans ask our opinion when India went under sanctions? Did they think about Indian stance & the reason behind it during the food security agreement? Do they ask our opinion on sales of weapons to our enemies? In fact, they dare to judge and lecture us on how to run our country in several issues. This has to stop.

We have certain leads / advantages in some fields and we should exploit them as much as possible for the benefit of the country irrespective of other country's "feelings". We need to be arrogant enough to think selfishly in certain fields. This will give us a strong image along with some hold on world economy.

We shouldn't agree to international launch rates whatever happens. We should keep doing what we are irrespective of bans. There are many other countries who will just jump at an opportunity to get they payload delivered in space at our price.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

US has asked to pause plan to launch commercial American satellites: ISRO

New Delhi: The United States has asked India to put on "pause" the plan to launch commercial American satellitestill the federal government gives a go ahead on mandatory technology exports, ISRO has told a parliamentary panel.

"For the launch of US-licensed satellites meant for non- commerical purposes from India, the US had enabled granting of export licenses upon signing of Technology Safeguards Agreement (TSA) in July 2009. The agreement was again renewed in 2014.

"For commercial satellites, we have got into a scenario where the American side is saying to hold it on pause. They are not agreeing with providing the necessary export clearance for the commercial satellite. This particular discussion is on hold for the last three Indo-US cooperation meeting," the then.

Department of Space Secretary K Radhakrishnan told a Committee on Government Assurances (2015-16) on December 3, 2014.

The Committee today tabled its report before Lok Sabha.

To facilitate the launch of US-licensed satellites meant for commercial purpose in India, discussions were initiated to conclude Commerical Space Launch Agreement (CSLA), it said.

"Even after several rounds of discussions, before the visit of the US President to India in November 2010, both sides could not converge on a mutually agreeable draft. The discussions were focused mainly on definitions and clauses on subsidies, improper business practices, transparency, inducements, etc.

"In January 2011, the US proposed a pause in further discussion on the subject," the report quoted the former ISRO Secretary as saying.

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"The last meeting on CLSA with US officials was held in October 2010 at Bangalore and there may not be any further discussion on the topic in near future," Radhakrishnan had said.

The Committee said considering the fact that bilateral ties have improved a lot in the recent times, the department should renew its efforts and "strategise" for negotiations with the US authorities for arriving at an agreement for launching commercial American satellites by ISRO at the earliest.

So, US is officially threatened by ISRO now. :biggrin2:
@Blackwater @Navnit Kundu @LETHALFORCE

 

[Navnit Kundu]

One door closes, other door opens.

 

[Flame Thrower]

I have a wild idea after reading posts in this thread.

US banned ISRO for commercial satellite launches.

Now Antrix should reach customers who are in need of satelite, saying we'll build and launch satellite, according to user specifications.

Instead of selling launches and services, we can directly sell launched satellite. This will also attrach other countries who want their own sats....

Rather than launching someone else made satellites, we'll launch and sell ours.

This will also help in reduce Satellite manufacture costs and setup a plant. We'll also be compliant with the US law and grealy damage their ability to build a Satellite at low cost.

ISRO gets some revenue, end user is happy as cost reduces.

what say??? is it too wild to implement or probably Antrix already started working in this way!!???

Note: I've stated above assuming that commerical sats are easy to make(sats made in Universities), please shed some light if i am wrong.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I have a wild idea after reading posts in this thread.

US banned ISRO for commercial satellite launches.

Now Antrix should reach customers who are in need of satelite, saying we'll build and launch satellite, according to user specifications.

Instead of selling launches and services, we can directly sell launched satellite. This will also attrach other countries who want their own sats....

Rather than launching someone else made satellites, we'll launch and sell ours.

This will also help in reduce Satellite manufacture costs and setup a plant. We'll also be compliant with the US law and grealy damage their ability to build a Satellite at low cost.

ISRO gets some revenue, end user is happy as cost reduces.

what say??? is it too wild to implement or probably Antrix already started working in this way!!???

Note: I've stated above assuming that commerical sats are easy to make(sats made in Universities), please shed some light if i am wrong.

Make and launch some SATs and sell them to pakis at discount for their SAT program 2040. Our SATs are cheaper, so they may got apart themselves from CNSA(unless they leave their India obsession. ).

 

[Flame Thrower]

@Indx TechStyle

Sats are way too high for Pakis, we'll give more cattle and electricity if they provide us trade route to Afghan.

What I meant is lets say "Sig" is company needs a private Sat for its business purpose.

"Sig" either builds a sat for its use or goes to a sat building company, lets say "Sat".

Now ISRO is launching sats cheaply ang generating revenue.

US is angry beacuse of ISRO's low cost launches effecting their industry.

what I propose is, Antrix goes to Sig and says we'll build sats according to your specifications at low cost and launch them. Once they are in space, pay money to me and we'll give that sat to you.

US can't object because, we are selling launched sats not launching US sats.

This also brings business by attracting different countries. Lets say Mexico wants sat, they neither have ability to build one nor launch one.

They come to ISRO and says we need a Sat for our use, we'll pay you. Build it, launch it and we'll use it from space according to our needs.

More revenue for ISRO, manufacturing plants comming up, costbof sats reduces and PSLV launching record no. of sats in comming years.

Assumption:

1. What I don't know is, Antrix already providing the above mentioned type of Service.
2. I thought commercial sats are easy to build.

Gurus please shed light on both assumptions. Weather possible or not also.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

American companies can’t compete with ISRO’s low cost commercial launches, want PM Modi to intervene

During the forthcoming visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the US, the main concern of the American companies that Isro is subsidising its commercial launches and that these companies will not be able to compete with India’s low prices, will be addressed. (Representative image – ISRO)

During the forthcoming visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the US, the main concern of the American companies that Isro is subsidising its commercial launches and that these companies will not be able to compete with India’s low prices, will be addressed.

“The two countries have to move past civil space collaboration to look at space security issues. Space has to be looked at as one more area for strengthening the broader strategic partnership between India and the US. Maritime Domain Awareness is of interest in particular. Given the geopolitics of the Asia Pacific, including the Indian Ocean and other maritime spaces, this is an important segment for cooperation both at bilateral level and beyond,” sources privy to New Delhi’s thinking told FE.

Daniel Porras, attorney, International Space Law and Policy, LMI Advisors, told FE, “There is no doubt that more cooperation is desirable between the US and Indian space activities, the question of form is all that remains. To this end, there are three main US actors who are arguing over India. First, there are numerous satellite manufacturers and operators who want more, cheaper launches available. These companies are producing more satellites than cannot be launched fast enough by the US launch sector alone. These parties are advocating for the ban on the PSLV to be lifted. Secondly, there are the launch service providers who want to keep the ban in place until India signs a Commercial Space Launch Agreements (CSLA).”

“That way their prices will not be undercut by a subsidised launch service provider. Finally, there is the government. US agencies, such as Nasa, are all in favour of increased cooperation and have lately been more willing to grant waivers to companies that want to launch on the PSLV. However, the government must also bear in mind the needs of its ‘nascent’ launch industry and so will continue to have a problem with Indian space subsidies,” he points out.

The US hesitancy to let American small satellite companies use the Indian PSLV launcher is by and large market-driven, however, given that the US currently lacks the capacity to offer launch services for small satellites, it is judicious to use the Indian services available currently. “The fact that the launch services offered through the Indian PSLV are the cheapest makes it an attractive proposition. It is not that the US can find a solution in 3-5 years. Hence, it is in the interests of the US government to open up the sector, especially considering that it is India and not China that is offering these services. Looked at from a strategic perspective too, there is a lot more congruence between India and the US and this should open itself as an area of cooperation,” says Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan, head, Nuclear and Space Policy Initiative, ORF.

 

[AnantS]

^ lol . What do they expect Modi to do? Kill his nation's industry to please American fatcats?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

^ lol . What do they expect Modi to do? Kill his nation's industry to please American fatcats?

Whatever.
Though I'm happy that something is cooking. Not being a boring republic of India like era of congis.

 

[AnantS]

Whatever.
Though I'm happy that something is cooking. Not being a boring republic of India like era of congis.

It was MMS who had rejected CLSA. I just hope NM also continues to do the same

 

[Mikesingh]

Dear Yanks! Here's one for you....

But in reality, this is what they say.....

 

[Kshatriya87]

The Americans are pissing their pants now? Wait for the reusable space shuttle. The launch prices will significantly go down even further. What will they do then?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

The Americans are pissing their pants now? Wait for the reusable space shuttle. The launch prices will significantly go down even further. What will they do then?

Not gonna happen with small satellites if SpaceX succeeds (they have similar projects).
But for heavy launches, LVM3 is getting operationalized this year, ULV is in development and a 10T GTO capacity HLV is in study. So, if even lose the light launch service, we can have conquered up heavy launch market.

 

[Superdefender]

The Americans are pissing their pants now? Wait for the reusable space shuttle. The launch prices will significantly go down even further. What will they do then?

What will be their reaction to see final form of RLD-TD!? I guess their piss will release like water canons, lol.....

 

[Indx TechStyle]

What will be their reaction to see final form of RLD-TD!? I guess their piss will release like water canons, lol.....

RLV TD, but it's 10 years away. Their company SpaceX claims to be developing a vehicle similar to RLV and that even cheaper.
It is possible that India can lose American customers under this Make America Great Again chants and propaganda by yankees.
RLV and SpaceX's vehicle will only be launching light satellites.
But.
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GSLV MarkIII is coming this year in official operation and commercial launch permit.
It will attract because heavy satellites will be launched cheaper.
ULVs will even be more cost effective.
Other one is a 10-12 tonnes GTO and 20+ Tonnes LEO capacity HLV(rockets of such capacity are really expensive).
If we can that cheap, that will be epic.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The Americans are pissing their pants now? Wait for the reusable space shuttle. The launch prices will significantly go down even further. What will they do then?

They will partner with India. India has the manpower and brains USA has the money and might perfect fit.


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[Indx TechStyle]

US firms stall satellite launch deal

Repeated efforts since 2010 to firm up an agreement to facilitate the launch of US commercial satellites from India have failed to reach a conclusion as, according to highly placed sources, American companies have been stalling the negotiations fearing competition from ISRO.

Even during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to the US earlier in June, he could not force a breakthrough in the matter, sources in the know informed this newspaper.

“The chief concern among American space companies is that since ISRO subsidises commercial launches, these companies cannot compete with India at such low prices,” a highly placed source aware of the developments said.

Sources further said that despite the Modi government being quite keen on finalising the Commercial Space Launch Agreement (CSLA) with the US, its fate continues to hang in balance owing to roadblocks from American companies.

Incidentally, both nations had finalised the Technology Safeguards Agreement (TSA) in July 2009 to facilitate the launch of US-licensed non-commercial satellites from India. This agreement was renewed in 2014 and non-commercial satellites having American components are being regularly launched from India. In April 2016, four American satellites were launched from India.

However, despite several rounds of meetings between the India-US Joint Working Group since 2011, no unanimity has emerged between the two nations on firming up the CSLA.

The talks between India and the US had started on finalising CSLA just before US President Barack Obama was scheduled to arrive on his first India visit in November 2010.

Commercial satellites provide data to be used for commercial purposes. Satellites used to beam television content is a prime example of a commercial satellite.

Non-commercial satellites are basically used for scientific or educational purposes like Earth-imaging satellites — which are normally launched from India throughout the year.

Sources though vehemently deny that there are any political reasons behind the deadlock over CSLA, and claim that reasons behind it are purely driven by business concerns.

Prior to Mr Modi’s visit to the US, there was anticipation that the matter would be taken up for discussion, however sources pointed out that owing to strong reservations from US companies dealing with space operations, no breakthrough could be reached on it.