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But all those SEA countries put together won't even cross the demographic population of UP,Bihar and MP.Also what will they keep building if they have already laid the roads , built their ports and airports and infra ? Entire NE is still not having proper road or rail network , So there is lots of scope of infra development in a country of 123 crore compared to a country of 2 or 3 crore people .

LOL.. they are many countries within ASIA which will see massive infra development...open your drawer and get out of it ... trump have already issued dictat to all US MNC's leaving china to bring jobs back home or face taxes ...his pension fund will invest in US....
 

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So only few engineers of CTS or Capgemini or innovative and not so from TCS, wipro or Infy ? How come Freshers gets paid 8-10k in Infy and gets paid 15-20k in CTS ? Funny in this pandemic CTS and capgemini had even announced 8-20 % hikes but other side TCS Infy Wipro are trying to hold back any salary hike initiative .Are the employees of TCS and Wipro are not exploited or Infy enslaved ?


Innovative engineers believe in the concept of "mutual exploitation" ;) A handful minority try to keep the game "competitive" through their "innovations", they don't need laws. Sometimes these innovations become "standard unofficial processes" ;)
 

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So only few engineers of CTS or Capgemini or innovative and not so from TCS, wipro or Infy ? How come Freshers gets paid 8-10k in Infy and gets paid 15-20k in CTS ? Funny in this pandemic CTS and capgemini had even announced 8-20 % hikes but other side TCS Infy Wipro are trying to hold back any salary hike initiative .Are the employees of TCS and Wipro are not exploited or Infy enslaved ?

Man, though you are a good poster, you have a bad habit of starting exchanges with me with a "So.......".

Anyway, let's start with spilling the beans of CTS ;)

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Cognizant-considered-among-worst-IT-companies-in-India

CTS, imo, is one of the worst service based comapnies that operate in india.

And, why only "enslaved", i may even joke that there is a concept of "child labour" in indian service based companies. In all such companies, the innovative engineers beat the system.
 

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Blood sucking money bag?

Most people on this forum work for these blood sucking money bags, receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages, bought houses, too their families from poor/middle class to a better living condition.

Yet, you want to deny the same to millions of other people in India? Wonder why?

You think Labor unions & laws are actually helping labors or Industries? What a ridiculous lie....
Only vested interests and union leaders cash in on these laws.
Don't look further than than our own Railway union to see how they have systematically held the Railways for ransom.

Unless you give confidence to people to invest their money, why must they? Why should they?
Would you invest your life savings to start a business in India with 50+ people employed and labor laws applicable?

And exploitation does not happen NOW in India with all the labor laws?
It happens every day to Blue collared employees, literally millions of them every day.
It happens to hundreds of thousands of construction workers every day.
It happens to hundreds of thousands of maids every day.
It happens to Police every day.
It happens to military every day.
It happens to doctors every day. The list goes on...

The only people these laws benefit are the people who WON'T work and blackmail businesses through unions to grind them to dust.

If you would rather have the present draconic labor laws and no jobs - be my guest.
100% that leftist socialist mindset needs to be rooted out of India forcefully. central government and state governments need a good cleansing if there baboons and unions.
 

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Blood sucking money bag?

Most people on this forum work for these blood sucking money bags, receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages, bought houses, too their families from poor/middle class to a better living condition.

Yet, you want to deny the same to millions of other people in India? Wonder why?

You think Labor unions & laws are actually helping labors or Industries? What a ridiculous lie....
Only vested interests and union leaders cash in on these laws.
Don't look further than than our own Railway union to see how they have systematically held the Railways for ransom.

Unless you give confidence to people to invest their money, why must they? Why should they?
Would you invest your life savings to start a business in India with 50+ people employed and labor laws applicable?

And exploitation does not happen NOW in India with all the labor laws?
It happens every day to Blue collared employees, literally millions of them every day.
It happens to hundreds of thousands of construction workers every day.
It happens to hundreds of thousands of maids every day.
It happens to Police every day.
It happens to military every day.
It happens to doctors every day. The list goes on...

The only people these laws benefit are the people who WON'T work and blackmail businesses through unions to grind them to dust.

If you would rather have the present draconic labor laws and no jobs - be my guest.
100 percent agreed. I think there is an ingrained mentality that corporations by and large are bad and yet we don't seem to have an alternative or can live without them. Such mentality needs to change.
 

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Man, though you are a good poster, you have a bad habit of starting exchanges with me with a "So.......".

Anyway, let's start with spilling the beans of CTS ;)

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Cognizant-considered-among-worst-IT-companies-in-India
Though I agree with most of what you said and have seen the shitty culture in Indian services companies first hand, everything isn't (or probably wasn't) that doom and gloom. As organizations, Indian IT companies have provided a lot of value to customers - proof? Otherwise, there wouldn't be so much demand and employment in this sector, demand still remains in the COVID world etc.

However, unfortunately, that was (I will mention was here since it is slowly becoming a thing of the past and I will also mention why later) only because of the hard-work and talent of individuals working for these companies. When I graduated (and I am quite old now), some of the most talented folks used to accept jobs in these companies (JUs, NITs, rank holders, almost IITians, IIMites etc.). There were folks I knew designing databases for VISA, Mastercard, doing impossible stuff etc. (albeit thanklessly)

Unfortunately, the management of these companies saw the employees only as pawns and a means to increase their profit/numbers. As demand for services grew, these companies just became body shoppers - thinking less about change or being on top of technology, nurturing the best of talent etc. and more about growth (fastest company to grow, fortune 500 and so on became the hallmarks). They just became people supplier to clients, 1 talented individual among a group of 2-3 became gradually in a group of 9-10. I still see a lot of talented folks though but it's highly diluted and seeing the size of these companies, is not a sustainable model and hence I feel, the sunset will come upon this sector in not so distant future.

This is another reason why I think India needs manufacturing asap and needs to reduce its dependency on services. It's easier for services companies to shift (mobile workforce, as you will find companies these days are exploring alternate destinations like Philippines, automation etc.), it's not so easy for manufacturing companies do so (with all its plants, machinery etc.). The other thing is - manufacturing is also a big employment generator and has cascading effect in terms of infrastructure (entire towns have been built to support plants, roads, ports), technology, economy and skills of people. They do have adverse effects, but IMO, the good far outweighs the bad, specially for a country like India.
 

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isn't HW news the outfit which hired Satish Dua even after he was exposed in a Metoo scandal?
Seriously guys like this make video on economy, hope he does not give advice on stocks or investment.
 

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There are 5 good restaurants in my vicinity. All were shut during Lockdown #1. Now, 4 out of 5 are doing a roaring business opening gradually after Lockdown #2. The latest business model adopted by them are 'takeaways'. You order over WhatsApp, they deliver and the standard of cuisine is as good as it was earlier. And no delivery charges! I asked an owner. Has said business is doing great!
Hmmm... if hotel business is actually doing good on ground, why is Swiggy also doing layoffs? Its probably more to do with 'free cash'/'funding' drying up...

Swiggy Announces 14% Cut In Workforce, 3 Months Advance Salary For Impacted Employees
 

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Hmmm... if hotel business is actually doing good on ground, why is Swiggy also doing layoffs? Its probably more to do with 'free cash'/'funding' drying up...

Swiggy Announces 14% Cut In Workforce, 3 Months Advance Salary For Impacted Employees
Swiggy and Zomato get their cuts from the restaurants which are now delivering themselves which turns out to be more profitable. However, because Swiggy operated as a dual-partnership model, it did benefit restaurants as they could receive more orders from customers using their app.

However, now overheads seem to have become overwhelming, increasing expenditure over revenue which incl
hiring delivery providers and suppliers (full-time/part-time/freelancers), managing technical operations, maintaining IT infrastructure, managing delivery and payment processes, managing orders, updating systems,
running costs, administrative, advertising, marketing costs and so on as well as funding drying up. All this costs a pile. Restaurants have no such issues. The only advantage to restaurants was receiving more orders from customers through Swiggy and Zomato.

Will things change back to status quo after the lockdowns are lifted? That's a million dollar question!
 
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Unfortunately, there are only 2 narratives right now in country -
  1. Everything is hunky-dory. Govt has done everything and economy is going to flourish.
  2. Its the end of the world. Govt has completely failed, and economy is devastated.
 

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Unfortunately, there are only 2 narratives right now in country -
  1. Everything is hunky-dory. Govt has done everything and economy is going to flourish.
  2. Its the end of the world. Govt has completely failed, and economy is devastated.

There is a 3rd narrative but there is no proof available for this. This narrative is however not political or related to economy. This narrative says that an "Asian Liberation Army" is under formation and nobody knows from which side the attack will come and who will be the target. (This is classified info, i can't share any more details)
 

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