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Defence budget needs to be hiked to pay for Rafale, other new purchases: report

Mumbai: Having signed the €8.8-billion Rafale deal, the government will have to increase the defence budget midway through this financial year to pay for new orders, domestic brokerage ICICI Securities said on Tuesday.

“The amount earmarked for new purchases is so low that it has been exhausted on just one purchase alone—the Rafale fighter, whose 15% signing advance amounts to Rs8,700 crore,” it said in a note.

“Additional allocations are now required for fresh acquisitions over the remaining half of FY2016-17,” it said, adding the additional allocations are “inevitable”. However, the report did not quantify the increase it sees in the budget. The revision will take the defence spending up to 2.5% of the GDP, as against the originally envisaged Rs3.41 trillion or 2.26% of the GDP, it said.

The report said 90% of the budgeted defence spending goes towards payments for already announced projects and added that over the past two years, the capital allocation has been unchanged at Rs86,300 crore.

Pointing to the deal with Russia announced at the just-concluded Brics summit, it said this shows the country’s “inability to wait for the domestic ‘primes’ to catch up to global technology standards”.



‘Primes’ are domestic manufacturers like Tata Power SED, Bharat Electronics and Larsen & Toubro, which are vying for a pie of the defence spending pie. The brokerage said at present, Rs1.27 trillion has been committed for foreign purchases, while another Rs90,800 crore is expected to be ordered and also raised question marks over the actual boost to domestic manufacturing.

“These orders will have limited domestic beneficiaries over the next five-six year period and will constrain the domestic defence budget significantly for any meaningful indigenous manufacturing to happen,” it said, pointing to the recent orders. The government has been trying to push domestic manufacturing through efforts like having mandatory local sourcing in new contracts.


In wake of the heightened tensions following the Uri attack, finance minister Arun Jaitley had affirmed the government commitment to spend for defending the country.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar had last week said he expected another Rs50,000-60,000 crore worth of defence contracts to be signed by March 2017, taking the total since this government came to power in May 2014 to Rs3 trillion
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Sf...s-to-be-hiked-to-pay-for-Rafale-other-ne.html
 

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I'd buy two/three shtorm carriers. Then equip with with the upcoming HAL or some Eurofighters, that are capable of carrying nuclear warheads and take-off from naval ships. I'd also think about transporter aircraft, helicopters, and equipment for marines/soldiers.

I think we also need to think about nuclear submarines and anti-sub technology. I don't think missiles will be an active problem, and it will only be of concern for the northern border of India.

I still think it is wrong to avoid China for military procurement. The Untied States bankrolled Pakistan's military for years and Russia doesn't turn its back on Pakistan either. If India snubs China, India will miss out on cheaper hardware as India has managed to buy from Russia.

I dislike China's support for Pakistan and its confrontation on Tibet and South China Sea, but it's a powerful force nowadays.
 

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I still think it is wrong to avoid China for military procurement. The Untied States bankrolled Pakistan's military for years and Russia doesn't turn its back on Pakistan either. If India snubs China, India will miss out on cheaper hardware as India has managed to buy from Russia.

I dislike China's support for Pakistan and its confrontation on Tibet and South China Sea, but it's a powerful force nowadays
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chinese mil. is for pakistan.. let pakistan buy it all.
India doesnt require cheaper mil. hardware..India require EFFECTIVE and POTENT hardware. National Security for India is not a CHEAP issue.


why should India buy cheap mil.hardware from china(chinese weapons are crap..but for the sake of argument) and then let china use that money against India through pakistan? They are already doing that.

with a meager economy pakistan doesnt have the financial muscle to pump in 18 billion dollars for terrorism in Kashmir..Thats the money pakis spent so far..so it is safe to assume china financed it.


We Indians are trying to avoid buying the chinese goods as much as possible in our daily life and look at alternate manufacturing locations on the label while buying things.

china is a powerful force only on papers.. They havent faced a real war for decades!! That makes a huge difference on what they can DO with the cheap weapons and state run propaganda news outlets from china in an event of real war!
 

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I still think it is wrong to avoid China for military procurement. The Untied States bankrolled Pakistan's military for years and Russia doesn't turn its back on Pakistan either. If India snubs China, India will miss out on cheaper hardware as India has managed to buy from Russia.

I dislike China's support for Pakistan and its confrontation on Tibet and South China Sea, but it's a powerful force nowadays.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

so now we should buy chinese weapons so that they can stop the delivery of components & maintenance anytime and our Forces will become useless ??:daru::daru::daru:
 

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Why do you consider China to be worse than other supporters of Pakistan, such as NATO or Russia?
 

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Why do you consider China to be worse than other supporters of Pakistan, such as NATO or Russia?
because trolls from china derail the thread by posting irrelevant content on dedicated threads..where the trolled topic is already discussed in hordes else places in the same forum
 

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I think time has come for us to look to at our defense budget holistically .
As a great power we will always need state of the art weapons and ammunition.

We need to give one time huge boost to defense budget in order to ensure that all kinds of small arms and ammunitions are indigenously designed or at least indigenously produced .

Such one time raise shall be seen as an economic growth stimulus rather than"defense budget".
It needs to be linked with the factories and jobs and must be seen in that context .

If necessary we can even divide the budget as such.
We need a national project to indigenize small arms ammunitions of all types hues.

If we follow this approach we can reach a 4% of GDP budget where half is linked as economic stimulus mostly that creates factories and jobs.

Make in India in defense needs to be aggressively persued.
That will also garner larger public support for increased spending :)
 

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Navy urges industry to forge partnership for design, construction of underwater vehicles
He urged the leading industry houses to grab the opportunity to strengthen Indian's Navy and added that there is a plethora of design and development opportunities available to the private sector in manufacturing of Navy equipment for the future.


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NEW DELHI:Vice Admiral G S Pabby, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, Indian Navy, said here on Tuesday this is the right time for India to take a major step towards building submarines indigenously by forging a strategic partnership with the Indian industry.
He urged the leading industry houses to grab the opportunity to strengthen Indian's Navy and added that there is a plethora of design and development opportunities available to the private sector in manufacturing of Navy equipment for the future.
He mentioned that the six submarines on offer to the private sector for under P75(I) program was yet another opportunity by MoD to integrate the private sector in strategic defence production.
Vice Admiral Pabby was speaking at a function organized by FICCI where he announced the holding of the International Seminar on 'Current and Future Challenges in Design and Construction of Underwater Vehicles' on November 22, 2016 at Federation House.
The event will be organized by FICCI with active participation of the Indian Navy. Leading design houses are invited and are expected to participate in this niche seminar.
Vice Admiral Pabby said that though India entered the sphere of submarines late but it was able to quickly catch up with the complex technology. Today, Indian Navy is designing and developing many of its equipment indigenously. The Navy has also built need-based operational requirements but is now developing its capabilities and is setting up extensive infrastructure to develop submarines in India. He mentioned that the Indian Navy took a visionary step in 1986 to establish in-house submarine design capability and the proposed seminar coincides with the 30th anniversary of the Directorate of Naval Design (Submarine Design Group).
Rear Admiral CS Rao, NM, DGND (SDG), Indian Navy, presented the scope of seminar which aims to deliberate on unique challenges and complexities of submarine design and construction; with the aim to achieve national competence in submarine design and construction through industrial partnership.
He mentioned that the seminar will be divided in two technical sessions wherein session 1 will focus on self-reliance in design and construction of submarines while session 2 will deliberate on design challenges in platform integration of emerging submarine technologies. During the seminar, the officers of Indian Navy, will present perspectives on the above topics and deliberate on the future requirements to be met by the industry, academia and research and development agencies.
Dr. A. Didar Singh, Secretary General, FICCI, said that the objective of the international seminar is to emphasize the design capabilities of Indian Navy and other design agencies and to hand hold Indian industry to make the best of the capabilities and how to focus on the future requirements.
He said FICCI is continuously focusing on futuristic technologies and added that in order to fulfil the national aspiration of establishment of strong defence industrial base in country, there is a need to do away with licensed production. India needs to encourage innovations in design to enhance its scientific capabilities which can later be transferred to industries for commercialisation of defence technologies.
The seminar brochure was jointly released by Vice Admiral Pabby, CWP&A, Indian Navy, Rear Admiral CS Rao, NM, DGND (SDG), Dr A Didar Singh, Secretary General, FICCI, Jayant D Patil, Chairman, FICCI Defence and Aerospace Committee, and Vivek Pandit, Senior Director, Defence and Aerospace, FICCI.
 

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Until unless bureaucracy changes nothing will change in procurement and indigenization...
We need a overhaul in whole MOD itself...
 

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Until unless bureaucracy changes nothing will change in procurement and indigenization...
We need a overhaul in whole MOD itself...
Defence Exports in 2014: $76 millions
In 2016: $450 millions

Targeted $2 billions for 2020.
Indigenization Ratio:
2014: 25%
Now, 40%.
70% for 2020 by MoD. So, something has changed for sure.
 

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Defence Exports in 2014: $76 millions
In 2016: $450 millions

Targeted $2 billions for 2020.
Indigenization Ratio:
2014: 25%
Now, 40%.
70% for 2020 by MoD. So, something has changed for sure.
But still i can see our soldiers with WW2 era equipment and lot more..
 

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Manohar Parrikar Clears Rs 900 Crore Army Deal With Israel


Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Thursday cleared an Army deal worth Rs 900 crore with Israel for procuring combat radio sets but only after the force assured him that all the future buys for the equipment would be from Indian sources only.


The decision was taken by the minister at the meeting of the Defence Ministry's apex procurement-related decision-making body Defence Acquisition Council here.

"We have asked the Army to buy close to 4,900 sets of Tadiran combat net radios from the Israeli firm Elbit but with an assurance that they would buy the DRDO-developed sets in the future," senior Defence Ministry sources told MAIL TODAY here.

The radio sets are used by the Army for communication between soldiers operating in field areas and battle zones.

The Army had earlier procured the Tadiran communication sets from Israel when the DRDO had not developed its indigenous version in the country. Later, when the Army moved in for procuring 5,000 more of this equipment, the DRDO and Department of Defence Production offered their product for meeting its requirement.

The Army insisted on the Israeli product saying the Indian radio sets would not be able to be used with the existing inventory as their source code was not provided to India by Tel Aviv.
When the matter reached Parrikar, he insisted that the Army go for the 'under development' product and a roadmap should be fixed for inducting it in the force.


He also asked the Army to ensure that the Israeli firm gives source codes of the Tadiran sets so that they can be used with Indian equipment also.


"Two days back, the Army gave a letter to the ministry stating that the Israeli firm has agreed to provide source codes of their equipment to India and it would take indigenous equipment in future. After that the deal was cleared by the DAC on Thursday," the sources revealed.

The Defence Ministry also gave its final nod to the long-pending acquisition of M777 howitzers as now it would be sent to the Finance Ministry for the decision on the value of the deal before it reaches the Cabinet Committee on Security for final clearance.

The howitzers have been one of the most critical requirements of the Army which has failed to acquire even a single new artillery gun in the last three decades after the Bofors scandal. The guns would be deployed on the mountainous borders with both China and Pakistan. The meeting also reviewed the progress in various defense deals that have been listed as a priority by the Narendra Modi government.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/manohar-parrikar-clears-army-deal-israel/1/791957.html
 

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Why the love affair with firangi maal and reluctance to use anything Indian?
May be that DRDO was in slumber and we have some serious gaps to fill till DRDO shakes up and shapes up.
The shake up is already done by the current GoI ..now it has to shape up and follow on the deliveries committed.
 

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Manohar Parrikar Clears Rs 900 Crore Army Deal With Israel


Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Thursday cleared an Army deal worth Rs 900 crore with Israel for procuring combat radio sets but only after the force assured him that all the future buys for the equipment would be from Indian sources only.


The decision was taken by the minister at the meeting of the Defence Ministry's apex procurement-related decision-making body Defence Acquisition Council here.

"We have asked the Army to buy close to 4,900 sets of Tadiran combat net radios from the Israeli firm Elbit but with an assurance that they would buy the DRDO-developed sets in the future," senior Defence Ministry sources told MAIL TODAY here.

The radio sets are used by the Army for communication between soldiers operating in field areas and battle zones.

The Army had earlier procured the Tadiran communication sets from Israel when the DRDO had not developed its indigenous version in the country. Later, when the Army moved in for procuring 5,000 more of this equipment, the DRDO and Department of Defence Production offered their product for meeting its requirement.

The Army insisted on the Israeli product saying the Indian radio sets would not be able to be used with the existing inventory as their source code was not provided to India by Tel Aviv.
When the matter reached Parrikar, he insisted that the Army go for the 'under development' product and a roadmap should be fixed for inducting it in the force.


He also asked the Army to ensure that the Israeli firm gives source codes of the Tadiran sets so that they can be used with Indian equipment also.


"Two days back, the Army gave a letter to the ministry stating that the Israeli firm has agreed to provide source codes of their equipment to India and it would take indigenous equipment in future. After that the deal was cleared by the DAC on Thursday," the sources revealed.

The Defence Ministry also gave its final nod to the long-pending acquisition of M777 howitzers as now it would be sent to the Finance Ministry for the decision on the value of the deal before it reaches the Cabinet Committee on Security for final clearance.

The howitzers have been one of the most critical requirements of the Army which has failed to acquire even a single new artillery gun in the last three decades after the Bofors scandal. The guns would be deployed on the mountainous borders with both China and Pakistan. The meeting also reviewed the progress in various defense deals that have been listed as a priority by the Narendra Modi government.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/manohar-parrikar-clears-army-deal-israel/1/791957.html
this will be one of the worst deals in history of defence acquisition
 

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this will be one of the worst deals in history of defence acquisition
There is a reason behind the acquisition!


The Army insisted on the Israeli product saying the Indian radio sets would not be able to be used with the existing inventory as their source code was not provided to India by Tel Aviv.
 

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There is a reason behind the acquisition!


The Army insisted on the Israeli product saying the Indian radio sets would not be able to be used with the existing inventory as their source code was not provided to India by Tel Aviv.
well source code does not give you waveforms technology which is the most imp thing in Mil standard radios.
 

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