Indian defence industry exports watch

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

MiG-21 doesn't need to be replaced because Tejas has already replaced it,on paper of course but it won't be long before paper becomes reality

I Heard Mig 27 is also going to be replaced

 

[Scarface]

I Heard Mig 27 is also going to be replaced

Yes they will be...............

 

[AbhinavTheBrahmin]

what are the specifications Of Tejas MK1A

 

[Zebra]

MiG-21 doesn't need to be replaced because Tejas has already replaced it,on paper of course but it won't be long before paper becomes reality

Tejas can't get mach 2+ speed.

 

[Chinmoy]

Tejas can't get mach 2+ speed.

Now the catch here is to see what function Tejas is or would be performing in respect to Mig-21. IMO, no other aircraft in past or in present too could replace Mig-21 qualitatively in each and every aspect. It was a cheap to build interceptor robust enough with near zero maintenance. Now compare this to any other contemporary or present day fighter, you would not find anyone near to it. But time has changed and so are the air warfare techniques.

Mig-21 was conceptualized and build at a time when SAM were in infancy. BVRs were new comers in the game of aerial warfare and it did need its mach 2 speed in interceptor role. But now every plane is designed with Multirole capability in mind and with advancement in SAM technology, role of interceptor is getting a bit deminished although you cannot rule it out completely.

 

[Scarface]

Tejas can't get mach 2+ speed.

I don't see much to be gained by going Mach 2

The role of the interceptor has now been diffused into Air Superiority fighters,Tejas doesn't need to go Mach 2 to be an eligible replacement for MiG-21

 

[Indx TechStyle]

L&T Shipbuilding eyes Rs 9,000 crore orders in 3 years,mostly from Navy

MUMBAI: L&T Shipbuilding, part of the $16-billion engineering conglomerate Larsen & Toubro (L&T), is eyeing around Rs 9,000 crore orders over the next three years, mostly from the Navy.

L&T diversified into shipbuilding earlier this decade and is yet to make money in the segment.

The company, which has two facilities -- at Kattupalli near Chennai and Hazira in Gujarat -- is also expecting revenues to the tune of Rs 3,000 crore over the next three years, L&T Shipbuilding Managing Director and Chief Executive B Kannan told PTI.

"There was a slowdown in the shipbuilding industry for quite some time both in the commercial as well as defence sectors," he said.

"But with the government now opening the defence sector to private players, we see a huge opportunity and expect to bag a sizeable amount of orders to be awarded by the Navy in the coming years," he said.

The company is expecting to bag at least Rs 9,000 crore worth of orders over the next three years, he said, adding the government's focus on improving national security and ring-fence the Indian Ocean Region will drive growth in the sector.

"While bids for some contracts are already prepared, some may be finalised in the coming months. Some of these orders were the ones which were to be handed out between 2013 and 2015 but have been delayed and have now started moving. We expect there will be momentum from next year and some more ship orders will be coming in," Kannan said.

"Currently very few orders are being given to the private sector. We hope over time, there would be level playing field between the public and private sector and the latter would be given more orders. It's only time before private sector shipyards demonstrate their capabilities in a very strong manner," Kannan said.

The company is also expecting to bag one contract to develop amphibious assault ships, also called landing platform docks (LPD).

The defence ministry has issued an RFP for developing four such LPDs, out of which two will be developed by private sector shipyards while the remaining will be produced by Hindustan Shipyard.

 

[Zebra]

I don't see much to be gained by going Mach 2

The role of the interceptor has now been diffused into Air Superiority fighters,Tejas doesn't need to go Mach 2 to be an eligible replacement for MiG-21

Again that "Air Superiority fighter" and your super duper "defensive doctrine". Isn't it...........?

 

[Zebra]

Now the catch here is to see what function Tejas is or would be performing in respect to Mig-21. IMO, no other aircraft in past or in present too could replace Mig-21 qualitatively in each and every aspect. It was a cheap to build interceptor robust enough with near zero maintenance. Now compare this to any other contemporary or present day fighter, you would not find anyone near to it. But time has changed and so are the air warfare techniques.

Sir, Mig-21 is a good aircraft, but still that red color part is hard to believe.

Mig-21 was conceptualized and build at a time when SAM were in infancy. BVRs were new comers in the game of aerial warfare and it did need its mach 2 speed in interceptor role. But now every plane is designed with Multirole capability in mind and with advancement in SAM technology, role of interceptor is getting a bit deminished although you cannot rule it out completely.

What ever you say, the Russians has almost all type of SAM systems, but still they also needs interceptors.

And in future also, have a look ---> https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/12/30/russia-developing-new-interceptor-aircraft_556283

 

[kr9]

Everyone is making in India, but do we get any of these or are most of them only intended for export??

 

[busesaway]

Does everyone here agree with 100% FDI? I think it's acceptable as long as India has some strong native companies in the defense arena.

As usual, I support investment into a strong navy, including a strong naval airforce with nukes. (reduced role for army and no airforce.)

India should diversify it's foreign procurement from various countries, treating NATO as one bloc, and manufacture everything in India, preferring native Indian companies.

 

[Chinmoy]

Sir, Mig-21 is a good aircraft, but still that red color part is hard to believe.



What ever you say, the Russians has almost all type of SAM systems, but still they also needs interceptors.

And in future also, have a look ---> https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/12/30/russia-developing-new-interceptor-aircraft_556283

Near Zero maintenance is somewhat relevant to the time of its induction. Not now.

Moreover Mig-31 are getting upgraded to BM standard which makes it more multirole capable then simple interceptor. Moreover its low altitude present speed of Mach 1.2 is equivalent to any other aircraft, only its high altitude speed is near to Mach 3. But please note that maximum intercepts happen in low altitude rather then high, where only ELINT planes operates mostly. Now reaching mach 4 is something we have to wait and see. Even Mig 25 was capable of Mach 3.2 at high altitude, but reaching that speed makes the whole airframe weak and susceptible to disintegration.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Everyone is making in India, but do we get any of these or are most of them only intended for export??

Our defense exports doubled from $150 millions to the $330 millions last year.

Government has target to export worth $2 billion weapons in 2017 and 18 to bring India among largest exporters of arms (and probably in top 5).
If everything goes on well, around 2020-22, we will not only be exporting $3 billion weapons an year as one of the largest arms exporters but will be making 70% of our defense procurement indigenously (means we will have 70% Indigenization ratio).
It has already beared fruits as share of imported weapons fell from 75% to 60%.
May come down to 50% next year or India will have 50% Military procurement indigenous in few months.

 

[busesaway]

What countries buy Indian arms? I understand that the RAF Hawk is bought by the UK for ceremonial purposes, but what other countries would buy Indian arms?

Sri Lanka has a pro-India government. Any defense ties should be carried out now. Similarly, Bhutan and Nepal seem to be drifting away.

Africa might be an easy place to sell Indian arms, particularly cheap ones. South-East Asia is also looking for cheap arms that aren't tied to China due to the South China Sea crisis.

Everywhere else has been covered by Russia or China.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

What countries buy Indian arms? I understand that the RAF Hawk is bought by the UK for ceremonial purposes, but what other countries would buy Indian arms?

Sri Lanka has a pro-India government. Any defense ties should be carried out now. Similarly, Bhutan and Nepal seem to be drifting away.

Africa might be an easy place to sell Indian arms, particularly cheap ones. South-East Asia is also looking for cheap arms that aren't tied to China due to the South China Sea crisis.

Everywhere else has been covered by Russia or China.

Nepal, Sri Lanka, South East Asia, Latin America, Myanmar, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, PNG and East Africa etc..

 

[busesaway]

Nepal, Sri Lanka, South East Asia, Latin America, Myanmar, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, PNG and East Africa etc..

If Nepal and Sri Lanka is willing to buy Indian arms, then I think those two countries might actually open up to Indian military, in a similar manner to NATO.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

If Nepal and Sri Lanka is willing to buy Indian arms, then I think those two countries might actually open up to Indian military, in a similar manner to NATO.

Nepal and Ceylon can never be to India what Europe is to America.
No chance of comparison with NATO.

 

[busesaway]

Nepal and Ceylon can never be to India what Europe is to America.
No chance of comparison with NATO.

Other way around. The United States pays for the majority of military in Europe, except for the UK and France; military spending averages 1% of GDP.

The US hosts nukes and military bases throughout Europe, and even UK's nukes are de facto owned by the United States.

India could replicate that relationship, with India being the US.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Other way around. The United States pays for the majority of military in Europe, except for the UK and France; military spending averages 1% of GDP.

The US hosts nukes and military bases throughout Europe, and even UK's nukes are de facto owned by the United States.

India could replicate that relationship, with India being the US.

I said we have other countries like Iran, Kazakhstan or probably Gulf in future for that.
But this model is not realistic in small and incompetent countries like Nepal and Bhutan. UK has economic and military teeth even without USA but Nepal can't stand without India or China.

 

[busesaway]

I said we have other countries like Iran, Kazakhstan or probably Gulf in future for that.
But this model is not realistic in small and incompetent countries like Nepal and Bhutan. UK has economic and military teeth even without USA but Nepal can't stand without India or China.

There are ethno-cultural ties between all the countries that participate in NATO. I don't think India will ever be able to match the closeness that NATO countries have, except for Sri Lanka, and maybe Nepal and Bhutan.

Muslim countries will never agree to a NATO type arrangement.