Indian Ballistic Missile Defense System

[AnantS]

DF 21 is a paper missile without any successful or even failed test.

Country should assume worse and be prepared .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

DRDO keep secrets............remember K15 was shown when they did 10 tests

Btw its my tweet. ........

No K family was exposed much before DRDO announced same at the time of last successful test of K 15.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

As far as my knowledge goes, PDV and AAD are Pakistan specific i.e., for 2k interception. Next is PAD1 and AAD 1 or better known as Pradyumn and Ashwin which are China specific or 5k range. We already tested Ashwin last year. But this time around the tests would be with the indigenous seeker.

When did we do that? Pl elaborate.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

is PAD different from PDV ? Wiki says PDV was developed after PAD with better systems .

Yes, PAD was based on Prithvi 2 stage and could not go above 80 KM. It was basically a Jugad to put seeker on already proved missile. PDV was specially designed to intercept at high altitude.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Sorry to say sir, that you think low about capabilities of your countrymen. I have personally seen PAD and AAD and have good knowledge of how it works. Cant go into all that but here is some details which might help you understand what we have done and what we are doing.

This idea first came around 1994 by Dr. Kalam, presentations were made and successive PMs were give, all amazed by it. It was in 1999 that file was passed by ABV.

In the mean time we went to all possible countries ( US, Russia and Israel) which had BMD capabilities, we didn't found any of their system to suit our requirements.

We figure out, what we want and what we can get from different countries. (Like Green pine from Israel, others parts from Russia and even France, now we have all our systems, which are better then these)

First Akash was consider, but it was found insufficient, so they made AAD.

As an interim measure, Prithvi work horse was modified for the purpose, it was called PAD.

Before first test they carried out on electronic target and it was reported in Media, it was euphoria, we couldn't believe we actually going to attempt it. That time Hindi news channel said we are going to intercept Prithvi with Prithvi.

Then some news channel posted video of interception and soldier at the site, pulled his fist up with joy, he understood what has achieved, still remember his face, even today.

In later test, we used green pine as primary radar and our own LRTR as back up. Israelis did helped us, but this learning was not one way, Israelis also learned from us they went back and enhanced green pine into super green pine. (we also enhanced our LRTR)

Other parts like AWACs etc also arrived and our guys have put in hardcore software and integrated it with hardware.

If you look at PAD and AAD system works perfectly in look shoot shoot mode. Hope with PDV and AAD we will get "look, shoot, look shoot mode".

With our LRTR, we can track pencil size object over 1000 kms. Even smaller medium range radar we can track pencil size object at 400 kms.

Now those who think that Saheen type missile warhead, will get pass our BMD. Think we first tested Agni TD in 1989, it was maneuvering warhead. We have experience of 28 years in this field. What we have done 28 years ago, Pakistan is only now started doing, so they far behind in curve and we understand this tech far more than what Pakistanis.

Earlier PAD had Russian radio frequency seeker, now we have our own which is far better and have greater range.

Now this new PDV is with new IIR seeker, Warhead, new propulsion etc are next generation system, its midway between PAD and AD1, as it uses AD1's kill vehicle.

from proximity to HTK is great leap in tech.

Awesome. Simply awesome. ..............

 

[Scrutator]

DF - 21 D .

Ok. For aircraft carrier defence?Perhaps Barak-8 will do the job for now?

It appears that the DF-21D has a range of less than 1,500 kms. So, unless Vikrant/Vikramaditya goes that close to chinese shores (which could happen in an extreme case of India taking the war to the Chinese doorstep!), it may not be that essential (right away at least)

 

[Superdefender]

Hmmmm....why?
Ballistic missiles won't be used to attack ships. And PDV/AAD cannot hit ballistic missiles mid-course - because of their altitude ceiling.

If NG Destroyers will be armed to teeth by naval NG BMD system, ICBMs can be intercepted

 

[AnantS]

Ok. For aircraft carrier defence?Perhaps Barak-8 will do the job for now?

It appears that the DF-21D has a range of less than 1,500 kms. So, unless Vikrant/Vikramaditya goes that close to chinese shores (which could happen in an extreme case of India taking the war to the Chinese doorstep!), it may not be that essential (right away at least)

Precisely since DF 21 has range of +- 1500. PDV makes sense. Barak 8 vs PDV? I think PDV has range advantage over Barak 8: 150 vs (70-90 km). Scenarios could be many: SCS or even our own backyard - Indian ocean

 

[Scrutator]

Precisely since DF 21 has range of +- 1500. PDV makes sense. Barak 8 vs PDV? I think PDV has range advantage over Barak 8: 150 vs (70-90 km). Scenarios could be many: SCS or even our own backyard - Indian ocean

I would still be hesitant to replace Barak-8 with PDV. PDV is specially designed for hits in the exo-atmospheric area - cannot track and kill aircraft in the endo-atmospheric area. Barak-8 can take on ballistic missiles and aircraft in the endo-atmospheric area!!! PDV can probably be an add-on to ships for specific threat in some future time.

 

[Scrutator]

If NG Destroyers will be armed to teeth by naval NG BMD system, ICBMs can be intercepted

PDVs can do point defense (if ballistic missile were aimed at it's platform area) but cannot do mid-course interception.

 

[AnantS]

I would still be hesitant to replace Barak-8 with PDV. PDV is specially designed for hits in the exo-atmospheric area - cannot track and kill aircraft in the endo-atmospheric area. Barak-8 can take on ballistic missiles and aircraft in the endo-atmospheric area!!! PDV can probably be an add-on to ships for specific threat in some future time.

I dont think anybody is talking about replacing Barak 8 with PDV It is being thought as complement to Barak 8, creating a rough equivalent to SM 3 & SM 2 duo Aegis BMD. PDV will require further development to reach that stage

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Precisely since DF 21 has range of +- 1500. PDV makes sense. Barak 8 vs PDV? I think PDV has range advantage over Barak 8: 150 vs (70-90 km). Scenarios could be many: SCS or even our own backyard - Indian ocean

The more imortant issue is not range but altitude. Barak 8 can not go above 20 Km against 150 KM of PDV. In case PDV fails to intercept incoming missile, you are left with choice to fire other missile.

 

[AnantS]

The more imortant issue is not range but altitude. Barak 8 can not go above 20 Km against 150 KM of PDV. In case PDV fails to intercept incoming missile, you are left with choice to fire other missile.

Barak 8 has range between 70-90(some say 100 km) .

 

[Scrutator]

I dont think anybody is talking about replacing Barak 8 with PDV It is being thought as complement to Barak 8, creating a rough equivalent to SM 3 & SM 2 duo Aegis BMD. PDV will require further development to reach that stage

Aegis provides 'mid-course' interception with it's interception missiles having ranges up to 2,500 kms!! That's makes total sense for ships to carry them. Maybe when AD-1/AD-2 come to life with longer ranges.....

Am still skeptical about ships carrying terminal phase ballistic-missile-interceptors

 

[AnantS]

Aegis provide 'mid-course' interception with it's interception missiles having ranges up to 2,500 kms!! That's makes total sense for ships to carry them. Maybe when AD-1/AD-2 come to life with longer ranges.....

or PDV with Booster? Thats why I said PDV would need further development to reach that stage. Current PDV is also meant to intercept upto 150 km altitude. Confirmed by PM himself. Think what an extra booster to PDV could do. Mid Course interception will be next thing in mind of DRDO and who knows they might be already working for it.

 

[Scrutator]

or PDV with Booster? Thats why I said PDV would need further development to reach that stage. Current PDV is also meant to intercept upto 150 km altitude. Confirmed by PM himself. Think what an extra booster to PDV could do. Mid Course interception will be next thing in mind of DRDO and who knows they might be already working for it.

Agreed!! Once the base technologies are proven...strapping on additional propellants is no big deal in future variants!!

 

[singh100ful]

Wait for new Pakistani missile.

Name:AbbaXin

This new missile will have a in built radar that will track the interceptor and fire a warhead to destroy the interceptor.Then the rest of the war heads will hit kafir hindooostan and do Ghazwa E Hind.

The Missile can be fired from Land,Sea,Air,Space,Shoulder etc.Its been infused with roohani taqat to be a kafir destroyer.Paki scientists were shown in ther dream how to make this missile.

Wait for the test in couple of days.

It will be powered by Solid propellant called "Grass".

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Precisely since DF 21 has range of +- 1500. PDV makes sense. Barak 8 vs PDV? I think PDV has range advantage over Barak 8: 150 vs (70-90 km). Scenarios could be many: SCS or even our own backyard - Indian ocean

The main difference between an interceptor based on navy and and land is that on a land based Interceptor has to protect a large area extending Hundreds and thousands of Sq Km. In navy based interceptor, you need to protect an area just few thousand Sq meters. That should be damn easy.

 

[AnantS]

The main difference between an interceptor based on navy and and land is that on a land based Interceptor has to protect a large area extending Hundreds and thousands of Sq Km. In navy based interceptor, you need to protect an area just few thousand Sq meters. That should be damn easy.

Umm not that easy, The principles remain the same though

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Umm not that easy, The principles remain the same though

No it is not same. Your PDV is positioned at point X. enemy missile is targeting point Y 100 KM away. You need to travel a lot more and interception angle will also change. In case of BMD protecting ship, Scenario shall be much less complicated.