Indian Ballistic Missile Defense System

[LETHALFORCE]

Some overlap here??

https://www.investing.com/news/worl...sionaries-amid-missile-defense-tension-459324


China expels 32 South Korea missionaries amid missile defense tension

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/34...ommitment-to-thaad-ahead-of-south-korea-visit

Mattis reaffirms commitment to THAAD ahead of South Korea visit

 

[SurgicalStrike]

Pakies has to eat more grass in their big chinese bowl to counter india's BMD!!! Literally weapons race of pakies against india moving them as bankrupt nation!!! :hippo:

 

[IndianHawk]

Some overlap here??

https://www.investing.com/news/worl...sionaries-amid-missile-defense-tension-459324


China expels 32 South Korea missionaries amid missile defense tension

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/34...ommitment-to-thaad-ahead-of-south-korea-visit

Mattis reaffirms commitment to THAAD ahead of South Korea visit

Of course Chinese screwd up big time.

These smart ass chinkies thought that nuclear NoKo would be an asset against Japan soko but fatso Kim got out of control and now American BMD is at Chinese door step.

Chinese security is now fully compromised. And now whatever china does will only alienate soko.:biggrin2:

With pakistan too china did the same and now India is jumping into US alliance

Chinese need to stop to be oversmart

 

[sayareakd]

Dr VK Saraswat On The PDV Exo Atmospheric Interceptor Missile Test By DRDO

 

[Chinmoy]

AD1 and AD2 are second stage which has started. Thus PDV is interim measure as it employ AD1 kill vehicle.

As far as my knowledge goes, PDV and AAD are Pakistan specific i.e., for 2k interception. Next is PAD1 and AAD 1 or better known as Pradyumn and Ashwin which are China specific or 5k range. We already tested Ashwin last year. But this time around the tests would be with the indigenous seeker.

 

[Scrutator]

As far as my knowledge goes, PDV and AAD are Pakistan specific i.e., for 2k interception. Next is PAD1 and AAD 1 or better known as Pradyumn and Ashwin which are China specific or 5k range. We already tested Ashwin last year. But this time around the tests would be with the indigenous seeker.

I think AAD and Ashwin are the same thing : Ashwin is the name given to the potential long range SAM usage of AAD.
Phase 2 will comprise completely new missiles AD-1 and AD-2 (for intercepting 5000 km range ballistic missiles).
PAD is now obsolete - replaced by PDV (that was just tested).

 

[ezsasa]

is it that old Prithvi-1 tactical ballistic missile is being re-tasked and modified as ABMs?

 

[sayareakd]

is it that old Prithvi-1 tactical ballistic missile is being re-tasked and modified as ABMs?

no that was PAD....................THIS IS NEW MISSILE

 

[AnantS]

is it that old Prithvi-1 tactical ballistic missile is being re-tasked and modified as ABMs?

PAD->PDV is based on prithvi, but has different control surfaces and one major difference being PDV is solid fueled. Whereas Prithvi was liquid fuelled

 

[Chinmoy]

This is very good but not enough. What we need are post boost phase interceptors to destroy paki missiles even before they reach their peak altitude. This is euphemistically called mid course interception and except russians no country has found a cure for it. Americans are still to achieve this reliably but once they do all missiles against US will be useless . That is why chinese are developing hypersonic missiles .

First of all, the fact that US has not developed mid course interception is totally wrong. Why you think that Russians and Chinese are crying over THAAD deployment in S Korea?
In fact, mid course interception is what every BMD does aim for. We do have AAD for that purpose. Being endo atmospheric interceptor, it would be the first to be fired at during interception. If it couldnot intercept, then PDV would be there for free-flight stage interception. Again if it fails, it would be for AAD to take over in terminal or re-entry phase.

 

[Chinmoy]

I think AAD and Ashwin are the same thing : Ashwin is the name given to the potential long range SAM usage of AAD.
Phase 2 will comprise completely new missiles AD-1 and AD-2 (for intercepting 5000 km range ballistic missiles).
PAD is now obsolete - replaced by PDV (that was just tested).

I too thought so about AAD. But during a recent interview some one from DRDO said something like testing AAD1 or Ashwin recently. Then propped up the name of Pradyumn or PAD1.

So I think that PAD system comprising PDV and AAD is one system, whereas PAD1 and AAD1 would be another system. But lets wait and watch

 

[sayareakd]

Dr VK Saraswat On The PDV Exo Atmospheric Interceptor Missile Test By DRDO

NationalDefence Bureau,
New Delhi, 11 February 2017
India today hit a big milestone towards achieving two- layered Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system when it successfully test fired its "Prithvi Defence Vehicle" Exo-Atmospheric Interceptor Missile with indigenous infrared seeker from Wheeler Island (Abdul Kalam Island) off the coast of Odisha.
Defence Ministry confirmed the test in a statement, "At 0745 hrs today, India successfully conducted a test wherein an incoming ballistic missile target was intercepted by an exo-atmospheric interceptor missile off the Bay of Bengal",
"Its a fantastic outstanding resounding success of technology of exosphere interception and now it has given us capability of what we call as "hit to kill". So hit to kill at an altitude between 80 km to 130 km is what the achievement DRDO is and the country has really become very strong as far as the ballistic missile defence is concerned", said Dr VK Saraswat, former DG DRDO and Chief Scientific Advisor to RM when your site NationalDefence asked for his comments on the missile test.

PDV Exo Atmospheric Interceptor Missile
"We can intercept missile of varieties almost in hit to kill mode today. That is the achievement of this. And today we have strong infrastructure both in terms of radars, communications, missiles, software, hardware, which is required for this; And the greatest point of this launch is that it has got indigenous infrared seeker, which has been able to engage the incoming missile that means the capability of homing guidance has really matured in the country" Dr Saraswat added. (Listen Dr. Saraswat Audio)
With this commendable scientific achievement, India has crossed an important milestone in building its overall capability towards enhanced security against incoming ballistic missile threats. It has entered an exclusive club of four nations including US, Russia, China and Sweden with developing capabilities to secure its skies and cities against hostile threats.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar lauded the efforts of the DRDO and all the scientists involved for their dedicated efforts in this significant achievement.
The latest test exponentially boosts the Indian capabilities to develop Anti Ballistic Missile (ABM) shield to protect crucial Indian targets from the nuclear- tipped ballistic missiles fired from either Pakistan or China.

http://www.nationaldefence.in/2017/...red-today-had-indigenous-infrared-seeker.html

 

[Scrutator]

First of all, the fact that US has not developed mid course interception is totally wrong. Why you think that Russians and Chinese are crying over THAAD deployment in S Korea?
In fact, mid course interception is what every BMD does aim for. We do have AAD for that purpose. Being endo atmospheric interceptor, it would be the first to be fired at during interception. If it couldnot intercept, then PDV would be there for free-flight stage interception. Again if it fails, it would be for AAD to take over in terminal or re-entry phase.

That sounds like a 'made up' scenario. Ballistic missiles fly in a parabolic trajectory, while in mid-course, a 2000 kms ranged ballistic missile, will be several hundred kms above the surface. AAD has a flight ceiling of 30 kms and as such CANNOT intercept the incoming ballistic missile (neither can PDV which has a flight ceiling of 150 kms) during mid-course.
AAD/PDV (if deployed very close to the enemy ballistic missile launch site) maybe (theoritically) used to intercept during the boost phase - but unlikely.

Net-net, right now India has developed only terminal interception at different altitudes (exo and endo atmospheric).

 

[Chinmoy]

That sounds like a 'made up' scenario. Ballistic missiles fly in a parabolic trajectory, while in mid-course, a 2000 kms ranged ballistic missile, will be several hundred kms above the surface. AAD has a flight ceiling of 30 kms and as such CANNOT intercept the incoming ballistic missile (neither can PDV).
AAD (if deployed very close to the enemy ballistic missile launch site) maybe (theoritically) used to intercept during the boost phase - but unlikely.

Net-net, right now India has developed only terminal interception at different altitudes (exo and endo atmospherice).

Actually no. If you have followed on the tests of AAD, it has been extensively tested to destroy the target missile at its Apogee, it means it has time and again intercepted missiles when they are at farthest point or were still in power flight stage. Moreover altitude range of AAD is 30 to 40km, not its horizontal or flight range.

That's the reason why I quoted the THAAD deployment case in S Korea. What good do you think these missiles would do sitting in S Korea when some DF or Sickle would make a run for US? Second, US has deployed their BMD shield in Europe too to protect them against any Russian missile threat. The best time to intercept any BMD is in its first and second stage, means right after its launch in boost phase and in its free flight stage.

But yes, India has time and again tested it for reentry phase and its success proves the technical expertise India has achieved in guidance and interception. This only does make your system more and more reliable. But in a real case scenario, intercepting a BM in terminal phase would be the last thing anyone would want to do.

 

[Scrutator]

Actually no. If you have followed on the tests of AAD, it has been extensively tested to destroy the target missile at its Apogee, it means it has time and again intercepted missiles when they are at farthest point or were still in power flight stage. Moreover altitude range of AAD is 30 to 40km, not its horizontal or flight range.

That's the reason why I quoted the THAAD deployment case in S Korea. What good do you think these missiles would do sitting in S Korea when some DF or Sickle would make a run for US? Second, US has deployed their BMD shield in Europe too to protect them against any Russian missile threat. The best time to intercept any BMD is in its first and second stage, means right after its launch in boost phase and in its free flight stage.

But yes, India has time and again tested it for reentry phase and its success proves the technical expertise India has achieved in guidance and interception. This only does make your system more and more reliable. But in a real case scenario, intercepting a BM in terminal phase would be the last thing anyone would want to do.

I think you're getting confused between the apogee of the Prithvi missile that was made to ''BEHAVE' like a 2000 kms range ballistic missile and the ACTUAL apogee of a 2000 km range ballistic missile. For test purposes Prithvi missile reaches it's highest point (about 100kms) and then it's trajectory is changed and made to descend in the way (angle and speed) that a real 2000 km ballistic missile would descend.

You keep saying again and again that THAAD does mid-course interception. THAAD stands for "Terminal High Altitude Area Defense" - don't need any more explanation on that.

There're other programs for mid-course interception missiles (but not part of THAAD) - they're really big missiles. I don't know of any that have been deployed!!!

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

What is the range of the radar we are using with this?

 

[sayareakd]

What is the range of the radar we are using with this?

1000-1200 kms...................................

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

is PAD different from PDV ? Wiki says PDV was developed after PAD with better systems .

 

[Scrutator]

is PAD different from PDV ? Wiki says PDV was developed after PAD with better systems .

Yes PDV replaces PAD. PDV has both stages of solid fuel, while PAD has liquid fuel in its second stage.

 

[sayareakd]

is PAD different from PDV ? Wiki says PDV was developed after PAD with better systems .

well PDV has advantage of been sleek, with canister launch, higher interception, IIR seeker, new and better warhead, more missile (4) per TEL, its faster and completely new missile, what more you want ?