Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

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Some more details on Indian purchase with actual Indian version on range video.
MUCH higher recoil than even the older Indian 7.62×51 before they added the new muzzle brake... Atleast its making DI tech available for low cost.
 

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MUCH higher recoil than even the older Indian 7.62×51 before they added the new muzzle brake... Atleast its making DI tech available for low cost.
that is because the 716 weighs alot less than that abomination. the sig is a much more stable platform for optics as well as other devices, it also has better ergonomics. Overall its a much better rifle.
 

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that is because the 716 weighs alot less than that abomination.
Both weight near 4kg, not a "lot less".
Whatever reason, the net result is significantly higher recoil!.. Optics cant fix that.

The Sig definitely got much better tech like DI and FFB at similar price. But it could use that massive muzzle brake from Insas 7.62×51
 

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Both weight near 4kg, not a "lot less".
Whatever reason, the net result is significantly higher recoil!.. Optics cant fix that.

The Sig definitely got much better tech like DI and FFB at similar price. But it could use that massive muzzle brake from Insas 7.62×51
most of the sig is made of aluminium, the ofb rifle is made of steel. there is no way they weigh the same. A muzzle break will increase flash signature and muzzle blast making it easier to detect and harder to operate within close proximity of others.
All rifles have recoil, its up to the skill of the shooter to control it, optics might not help with recoil but it will help with faster target acquisition and effective shots on target.
 

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The first one was firing single shots and the latter was on full auto mode otherwise recoil management of the two rifles would be simmilar.
 

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most of the sig is made of aluminium, the ofb rifle is made of steel. there is no way they weigh the same. A muzzle break will increase flash signature and muzzle blast making it easier to detect and harder to operate within close proximity of others.
All rifles have recoil, its up to the skill of the shooter to control it, optics might not help with recoil but it will help with faster target acquisition and effective shots on target.
Indian ones have a dual muzzle brake/flash hider attachment.
 

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MUCH higher recoil than even the older Indian 7.62×51 before they added the new muzzle brake... Atleast its making DI tech available for low cost.
Both have similar recoil, difference being the camera is placed far closer to the one firing the SIGs.
It also shows that DI gives a bit lower recoil as SIG 716 G2 Patrol.

 

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USA is father, mother & son of DI rifles but its giving it up. DI SR 25 replaced by G28. IAR M-416 being inducted as LMG. SCAR replacing ARs in SF.

Anyway let's see, how this import will be used.
 

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Both have similar recoil, difference being the camera is placed far closer to the one firing the SIGs.
It also shows that DI gives a bit lower recoil as SIG 716 G2 Patrol.

This is not DI but Gas Piston (Short Stroke) operated.
 

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This is not DI but Gas Piston (Short Stroke) operated.
Yeah, in fact , in that post you have firing videos of .308 cal rifles based Long stroke (OFB), Short Stroke (G2 Patrol), and DI (TREAD). Only a user can tell about the real difference in recoil, as it's apparent that DI doesn't reduce recoil substantially.
 

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In this review,We can see the internal piston(DI) variant has much less pronounced recoil than the short stroke variant.


Nice to see the bolt has dual ejector pins for reliable case ejection.

It priced at $1430 for us civilian market
Is the I for India or is that just a coincidence?
 

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MUCH higher recoil than even the older Indian 7.62×51 before they added the new muzzle brake... Atleast its making DI tech available for low cost.
In the OFB video, keep an eye on the magazine, watch how it swivels side to side on each fire, as if the twisting of the round through the barrel is causing a torque on the rifle... unless my eyes deceive me, that is a pretty dumb excuse for a battle rifle.
 

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In the OFB video, keep an eye on the magazine, watch how it swivels side to side on each fire, as if the twisting of the round through the barrel is causing a torque on the rifle... unless my eyes deceive me, that is a pretty dumb excuse for a battle rifle.
no that is not how physics work.
yes the projectile passing through the barrel can cause it to warp a little, you can see on high speed video recording but it wont impart torque on the rifle.
Well i do agree the ofb could have come up with a better design, why doesnt the ofb make an ar10 clone? the patents are expired even the pakis are making a copy.
 

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no that is not how physics work.
yes the projectile passing through the barrel can cause it to warp a little, you can see on high speed video recording but it wont impart torque on the rifle.
Well i do agree the ofb could have come up with a better design, why doesnt the ofb make an ar10 clone? the patents are expired even the pakis are making a copy.
Yeah true, probably the torque is not causing it... but did you notice the magazine swaying as if the rifle is swinging from the barrel as its axis..
 

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