Indian Army Artillery

[Bhadra]

Thanks KB...its sad that still we do not have 155/52 caliber...

155/52 Calibre would be field / plains gun and would not be suitable for mountains due to length of the gun and carrier. 155/52 may be procured as motorised mounted gun and the tracked version.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

155/52 Calibre would be field / plains gun and would not be suitable for mountains due to length of the gun and carrier.

155/52 may be procured as motorised mounted gun and the tracked version.

Have you checked the RFI ..

http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/158/RFI-ARTY.pdf

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Its eight-year effort to buy and build 1,580 (400 + 1,180) new towed 155mm/52cal howitzers has been scrapped, with fresh indications now that it will be re-tendered a record third time. The Indian Army issued a fresh RFI today inviting information from global vendors on modern 155mm/52cal towed gun systems.

Livefist: FLASH! Indian 155mm/52cal Towed Gun Competition Scrapped A Record Third Time, Re-Tender Signalled

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Tracked, Wheeled and truck mounted are separated..

 

[Bhadra]

Have you checked the RFI ..

http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/158/RFI-ARTY.pdf

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Livefist: FLASH! Indian 155mm/52cal Towed Gun Competition Scrapped A Record Third Time, Re-Tender Signalled

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Tracked, Wheeled and truck mounted are separated..

yes, that is what I am meaning. 155/52 Calibre is fit for Indian conditions only in tracked and truck mounted versions as that equipment would remian limited to plains.
The Indian Army should keep wheeled (towed Version) limited to 155/45 so that it could be easily switched between plains and mountains.

India is not NATO to settle for 155/52 for all guns.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

India is not NATO to settle for 155/52 for all guns.

NATO are smarter, They have mix of 155mm and 105mm from late 80s, We are now Inducting 155mm in Numbers thanks to OFB..

yes, that is what I am meaning. 155/52 Calibre is fit for Indian conditions only in tracked and truck mounted versions as that equipment would remian limited to plains.

Read my post again..

The Indian Army should keep wheeled (towed Version)

Being close to arty, What is your understanding of towed and wheeled ?

 

[Bhadra]

NATO are smarter, They have mix of 155mm and 105mm from late 80s, We are now Inducting 155mm in Numbers thanks to OFB..



Read my post again..



Being close to arty, What is your understanding of towed and wheeled ?

as yours :

The Indian Army should keep wheeled (towed Version)

A towed or wheeled version is easier to conceal as also deploy. It can negotiate narrow bends and can be taken on narrow road on steep gradients. It can be towed by a smaller truck than say the Motorises version. It is something like IFG or The Bofors, though Bofors have their own APUs.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

A towed or wheeled version is easier to conceal as also deploy. It can negotiate narrow bends and can be taken on narrow road on steep gradients. It can be towed by a smaller truck than say the Motorises version. It is something like IFG or The Bofors, though Bofors have their own APUs.

Bhadra ji you are mistaking here:

By wheel it meant Wheeled SPGH.. Towed is what you described..

 

[Bhadra]

Bhadra ji you are mistaking here:

By wheel it meant Wheeled SPGH.. Towed is what you described..

OK.... then say wheeled Self propelled guns... self propelled is self evident. Motorises also means that the gun is mounted on a truck (on wheels) unless you are meaning Wheeled SPG to mean something a like a Stryker mount (Armour vehicle which is wheeled)..

Well you and me mean any thing but wheeled artillery only means towed artillery (since the gun itself has wheels) is moved by a FAT....

 

[The Fox]

for any one who don't know the difference between wheeled n towed howitzer's help ur self
n yes towed howitzer's do have wheels bit not self propelled

wheeled howitzer
wheeled howitzer - Google Search


towed howitzer

towed howitzer - Google Search

 

[Bhadra]

for any one who don't know the difference between wheeled n towed howitzer's help ur self
n yes towed howitzer's do have wheels bit not self propelled

wheeled howitzer
wheeled howitzer - Google Search


towed howitzer



towed howitzer - Google Search

Thank you for the information but better help yourself first and let me be as it is which is quite comfortable...

Wheeled howitzers does in no way mean Self propelled howitzers.... as implied.


From the mode of carriage artillery is either towed or self propelled. Self propelled is tracked or motorised (wheeled)
Towed is also wheeled or carried inside the FAT like 120 mm Mors....

So calling wheeled SP guns (motorises) simply as wheeled may not be self explanatory....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

OK.... then say wheeled Self propelled guns... self propelled is self evident.

Motorises also means that the gun is mounted on a truck (on wheels) unless you are meaning Wheeled SPG to mean something a like a Stryker mount (Armour vehicle which is wheeled)..

Well you and me mean any thing but wheeled artillery only means towed artillery (since the gun itself has wheels) is moved by a FAT....

Logically yes, But terminology used is different..

Towed : Static Arty move by trucks mainly, Have a APU for limited movement in fast engagement or no APU..
Wheeled SPGH: Mounted on Motorized Wheeled platform
Tracked : Mounted on Motorized tracked platform

for any one who don't know the difference between wheeled n towed howitzer's help ur self
n yes towed howitzer's do have wheels bit not self propelled

wheeled howitzer
wheeled howitzer - Google Search

towed howitzer
towed howitzer - Google Search

^^ This

Thank you for the information but better help yourself first and let me be as it is which is quite comfortable...
Wheeled howitzers does in no way mean Self propelled howitzers.... as implied.

From the mode of carriage artillery is either towed or self propelled. Self propelled is tracked or motorized (wheeled)
Towed is also wheeled or carried inside the FAT like 120 mm Mors....

So calling wheeled SP guns (motorises) simply as wheeled may not be self explanatory....

Explained already..

Follow the above post..

 

[Bhadra]

Logically yes, But terminology used is different..

Towed : Static Arty move by trucks mainly, Have a APU for limited movement in fast engagement or no APU..
Wheeled SPGH: Mounted on Motorized Wheeled platform
Tracked : Mounted on Motorized tracked platform



^^ This






Explained already..

Follow the above post..

Do not worry, I am quite comfortable I would at best called that wheeled (SP) rather than simply calling it wheeled.....
You should know that there is something called Gun mount..... that does not make the mounted artillery SP....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Do not worry, I am quite comfortable I would at best called that wheeled (SP) rather than simply calling it wheeled.....
You should know that there is something called Gun mount..... that does not make the mounted artillery SP....

Its fine as long as you think, But when rest used different terminology, dont mix them up..

Logically there is nothing static or towed in the sense you mentioned not even Vintage colonial guns..

 

[Bhadra]

Its fine as long as you think, But when rest used different terminology, dont mix them up..

Logically there is nothing static or towed in the sense you mentioned not even Vintage colonial guns..

Then you do not any thing about the history of guns...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Miscellaneous Jottings

On August 27, 2012 in New Delhi, India's Ministry of Defence-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for creating a Joint Venture (JV) with Russia's Rosoboronexport State Corp and Splav SPA, also of Russia, to jointly-manufacture five versions of rockets meant for use by the 42 Smerch-M MBRLs now in service with the Indian Army. The OFB's Ambajhari-based military-industrial facility will undertake final assembly of the rockets. The fuzing mechanisms and sub-munitions will be supplied off-the-shelf by Splav SPA, with the remaining components of the rockets being produced from locally-produced raw materials, based on ToT from Splav SPA. To me, such JVs will neither make India self-reliant in the production of rockets for Smerch-M, nor will it enable either the OFB or DRDO to acquire the know-how necessary for indigenously developing new-generation long-range MBRLs. The money instead should have been better spent on either conducting R & D for an indigenous 120km-range substitute of the Smerch-M, or on the ARDE's on-going project for developing the 60km-range Pinaka Mk2 rocket (the Pinaka Mk1 has a 37.5km-range). For those interested, below are details of the five types of rockets to be built by the OFB for the Smerch-M MBRL.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some rare photo of 105mm arty being hanged under MI-17 ..

Bad quality due to utube vid..

 

[Bhadra]

Miscellaneous Jottings

On August 27, 2012 in New Delhi, India's Ministry of Defence-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for creating a Joint Venture (JV) with Russia's Rosoboronexport State Corp and Splav SPA, also of Russia, to jointly-manufacture five versions of rockets meant for use by the 42 Smerch-M MBRLs now in service with the Indian Army. The OFB's Ambajhari-based military-industrial facility will undertake final assembly of the rockets. The fuzing mechanisms and sub-munitions will be supplied off-the-shelf by Splav SPA, with the remaining components of the rockets being produced from locally-produced raw materials, based on ToT from Splav SPA. To me, such JVs will neither make India self-reliant in the production of rockets for Smerch-M, nor will it enable either the OFB or DRDO to acquire the know-how necessary for indigenously developing new-generation long-range MBRLs. The money instead should have been better spent on either conducting R & D for an indigenous 120km-range substitute of the Smerch-M, or on the ARDE's on-going project for developing the 60km-range Pinaka Mk2 rocket (the Pinaka Mk1 has a 37.5km-range). For those interested, below are details of the five types of rockets to be built by the OFB for the Smerch-M MBRL.

If only you could give the cost of each smirch rocket and the cost of one 105 mm or 155 HE round ????

 

[Blackwater]

did IA finalised american 155mm howitzers??????

 

[Bhadra]

Those have already been cleared to be imported by MoD....

 

[Blackwater]

Those have already been cleared to be imported by MoD....

any time frame for them to be inducted????

 

[Kunal Biswas]

any time frame for them to be inducted????

Green Light

did IA finalised american 155mm howitzers??????

Yes ..

If only you could give the cost of each smirch rocket and the cost of one 105 mm or 155 HE round ????

No official known figure available..