Indian Army Artillery

[sayareakd]

Forget the muzzle break on Dhanush ..Now look at the accident on M777 Howitzer ..Looks like the problem is with the ammo not with the guns ..same issue is faced by the best light gun of the world which is imported ..

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same gun had same issues in 2011, 2014, now twice in 2017, Ammo was not OFB earlier, what does it tell ? Ammo has issues

 

[sayareakd]

2011
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/mar...r-in-use-in-afghanistan-1.138051#.Wbjz1fMjG1s

2014
http://www.wral.com/paratrooper-killed-in-howitzer-accident-identified-/13419910/


2017
https://www.stripes.com/news/2-us-s...shap-in-iraq-identified-1.482836#.Wbj0BPMjG1s

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Can anyone tell me how many Dhanush,K9 Thunder and M777 are on order?

How many ATAGS are supposed to be ordered?

The pakis have ove 150 Amreekan M01A5?

 

[Kshatriya87]

Can anyone tell me how many Dhanush,K9 Thunder and M777 are on order?

How many ATAGS are supposed to be ordered?

The pakis have ove 150 Amreekan M01A5?

142 M777s on order out of which 2 are delivered,.


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[Khagesh]

For 20+ years the people in the inside knew that the Bofors designs are just lying there. All kinds of lies were peddled that the drawings are not complete and what not.

And the two M-777 are airlifted in chartered planes for tests.

One knot for this too. Bhulna mat, kabhi bhi.

 

[sayareakd]

For 20+ years the people in the inside knew that the Bofors designs are just lying there. All kinds of lies were peddled that the drawings are not complete and what not.

And the two M-777 are airlifted in chartered planes for tests.

One knot for this too. Bhulna mat, kabhi bhi.

first these guns are not for testing, they are meant to make firing table, these tables which will be used for firing Indian ammo. Now for that they need to fire and re fire the ammo and then check and re-check with other gun, so that at the time of war, these table will come handy to gunners.

They need to make complete table using these two guns.

That means they need to do lot of work, in what ever time they have. To be accurate. Indian army too will be watching it with complete focus, as their lives would be in line, when they have to fire these.

Now in past, i already posted 3 known incidents of these M777 without OFB ammo.

Guns will fire and guns will jam or guns will lose its barrel and what not, these things happen, its routine, just blaming others will not solve the problem, we are paying top $$$ more then its market rate or price, even K9 is having same problems.

Remember, if it was done by local guy, you would have hang him, with the arguments that you are playing with lives of our guys.

We have seen the Arjun saga. T90s both of them fail when they were exposed abroad, our best tank teams, with these tanks would have been failed in battle. Still we put our trust in these. Poor soldier life and nations pride at play here.

 

[mayfair]

All kinds of lies were peddled that the drawings are not complete and what not..

Who was peddling the lies and what for?

 

[Poseidon]

Not a big deal.
As already posted, all howitzers including the M777 have a history of barrel bursts.

Some recent accidents involving the M777 howitzer:

August 2017: Two US Army soldiers were killed as an M777 artillery round exploded prematurely during a fire support mission in Iraq:

An artillery round meant to be fired at an Islamic State target in northern Iraq on Sunday exploded prematurely killing two American soldiers, defense officials said.

The artillery crew was targeting an ISIS mortar position when the mishap occurred, Manning said. The unit was firing an M777 howitzer, a towed 155 mm artillery piece, according to another defense official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

https://www.stripes.com/news/2-us-s...shap-in-iraq-identified-1.482836#.WbpySL1X5Ah

February 2015: One US Army soldier was killed as an M777 howitzer exploded during an artillery firing exercise:

82nd Airborne paratrooper killed as an M777 howitzer exploded during training in North Carolina. Two other 82nd Airborne paratroopers were seriously injured.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Lates...oper-dies-in-howitzer-explosion-at-Fort-Bragg

March 2014: Three Australian Army soldiers were injured due to an M777 howitzer's barrel burst during an artillery firing exercise:

Three soldiers have been injured, two seriously, while firing artillery at an army base in central Queensland.

‘‘The incident ... involved the firing of an illumination round from an army M777A2 Howitzer,’’ a statement from the defence force said.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...ensland-training-exercise-20140319-351tn.html

March 2011: Ten US Marines were injured as an M777 howitzer exploded during an artillery firing exercise:

Ten military personnel were injured when an artillery cannon exploded at Fort Bragg, N.C., a U.S. Marines spokesman said.

An apparent in-bore explosion of an M777A2 -- a new lightweight howitzer cannon that fires 155mm artillery rounds -- occurred during a live-fire exercise, injuring eight Marines and two Navy personnel, The Fayetteville (N.C.) Observer reported.

http://www.upi.com/Ten-injured-as-artillery-piece-explodes/66101300224209/

 

[sayareakd]

Not a big deal.
As already posted, all howitzers including the M777 have a history of barrel bursts.

Some recent accidents involving the M777 howitzer:

August 2017: Two US Army soldiers were killed as an M777 artillery round exploded prematurely during a fire support mission in Iraq:

https://www.stripes.com/news/2-us-s...shap-in-iraq-identified-1.482836#.WbpySL1X5Ah

February 2015: One US Army soldier was killed as an M777 howitzer exploded during an artillery firing exercise:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Lates...oper-dies-in-howitzer-explosion-at-Fort-Bragg

March 2014: Three Australian Army soldiers were injured due to an M777 howitzer's barrel burst during an artillery firing exercise:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...ensland-training-exercise-20140319-351tn.html

March 2011: Ten US Marines were injured as an M777 howitzer exploded during an artillery firing exercise:

http://www.upi.com/Ten-injured-as-artillery-piece-explodes/66101300224209/

Look at Vishnu Som, even before checking with formal IA report, or has checked the history, has given fast and swift verdict: OFB guilty.

 

[mayfair]

They are not called #presstitutes for nothing..

 

[Khagesh]

All said and done. If you have two M-777 and you fire them off for building your firing tables, while working within the parameters set by the manufacturer then there is X chance that one will go boom boom shaka laka at the 1164th firing.

You may have dtci studies and what not but hey Pratyaksh ko praman kya, bhai.

 

[mayfair]

All said and done, without looking at pramaan, contextual observation is NOT Pratyaksha.

If we are talking about claiming Pratyaksha, what is the probability that the 39mm Bofors barrel (incidentally the same dimensions as M777) has reported 40 incidents of the type that happened with Dhanush and now M777?

Kim Pratyakshakam, Kim pramaanam?

 

[Prashant12]

Indigenous artillery gun sets new record in range

The Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System at the 68th Republic Day Parade. | Photo Credit: R.V. Moorthy


NEW DELHI: An indigenous artillery gun, Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), being jointly developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the private sector has set a new world record in range by hitting targets at a distance of 48 km.

“During trial firings at Pokhran ranges last week, ATAGS registered the longest ever distance of 48.074 kms, surpassing the maximum ranges of 35-40 kms fired by any artillery gun system in this category,” an industry source told The Hindu.

ATAGS is a 155mm, 52 calibre towed artillery gun being developed in mission mode by DRDO as a part of the Army’s artillery modernisation programme. The record was achieved with special ammunition, “high explosive – base bleed” (HE – BB) by the ATAGS variant developed by Kalyani Group.

The development is being done through a consortium based model, similar to that adopted for the Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launch system. It was designed by DRDO’s Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune. In addition, Bharat Forge Limited of Kalyani Group, Tata Power Strategic Engineering Division and Mahindra Defence Naval System from the private sector are involved in a big way along with the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB). For instance, the barrel and breech mechanism, on both variants of ATAGS, was developed at Kalyani Group.

Summer trials are currently underway and the next round of trials are likely to held in Sikkim in December.

“The trials are progressing well. Additional prototypes are being made to speed trials,” one official said.

The gun has several significant features including an all-electric drive, high mobility, quick deployability, auxiliary power mode, advanced communication system, automated command and control system. It has a six round magazine instead of a standard three round magazine. Also, the gun weighs slightly more than normal due to the larger chamber.

The Army has not inducted any new artillery gun since the Bofors in the 1980's. After decades of failed attempts, the service is gearing up to induct the Dhanush artillery gun which is an indigenously upgraded variant of the Bofors gun. In addition, last November India signed a contract for 145 M-777 Ultra-Light Howitzers from the US.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...-sets-new-record-in-range/article19693728.ece

 

[Kunal Biswas]

17 Gun Salute to Marshal of the Air Force Arjan Singh in New Delhi..

 

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[Prashant12]

Advanced artillery gun passes user trials in deserts: DRDO


Pune: The country's first fully integrated Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), being developed by the Defence Research and Developed Organisation (DRDO), has successfully completed user assisted technical trials for desert terrain at the Pokhran firing range in Rajasthan.

P K Mehta, DRDO's director general for armament and combat engineering system, told TOI on Wednesday, "We have achieved the desired results in the user assisted trials and the gun is now poised for further trials (for other terrains) in the coming months."

The trials in the deserts were carried out by DRDO scientists and the Indian Army's director general for artillery from August 24 to September 7. A large number of extended range full bore artillery ammunitions were successfully fired from the gun during the trials.

Project director S V Gade of the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune, who anchored the trials, said, "The users (Indian Army) fired all type of ammunitions and achieved the desired range and consistency for the live ammunition. In fact, the gun successfully hit a target at 48km distance. No other contemporary artillery guns are able to achieve a range of more than 40km so far." The ATAGS is capable of firing a Bi-Modular Charge System (BMCS) Zone 7 propellant, which no other country is able to fire as on date, he added.

Gade said, "We have also validated firing table in a limited way of the gun, which was very crucial task for us."
The ATAGS has an all-electric drive which gives advantage over traditional hydraulic drives which exists in other towed guns. The electric drives of the ATAGS gives controls in handling ammunition, opening and closing the breech mech. and ramming the round into firing chamber, Gade added.
"The gun will undergo refinements and will be ready for high altitude trials which are likely to be conducted at Sikkim in December, depending on a confirmation from the army authorities," Gade said. The gun is expected to be inducted in the Indian Army by 2020, sources in DRDO said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ials-in-deserts-drdo/articleshow/60861956.cms

 

[Bornubus]

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[Kunal Biswas]

Its in trails along with Baba`s ATAGS model ..

what's about tata atag ....any info about its range ,is army is using this too in trial

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Barrel burst is something very common with big guns or MBTs, Regardless the ammunition is foreign or Indian ..

Is there any chance this happened due to the ammunition and not because of the barrel? Just asking because this happened with our Indigenous artillery testing as well.