Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Bhadra]

Bari Doab ( Ravi Satluj Corridor) Canal Network

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[jackprince]

Rajya Sabha TV
Published on Apr 25, 2019


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T-90 MS is a modernised version of the T-90 main battle tank built by Russia . It is designed to destroy tanks, self propelled guns and armored targets. It is fitted with a new turret weapon station with an upgraded 125 mm gun and advanced highly automated digital fire control system . It is also armed with a 7.62 mm anti aircraft machine gun on a remotely controlled weapon station mounted on top of the turret. Powered by a 12 cylinder diesel engine it can accomplish a speed of 60 KM per hour . Guests : Maj Gen (DR.) P K Chakroborty (Retd.), Defence Expert, : Maj Gen (DR.) Ravi Arora (Retd.), Chief Editor, Indian Military Review, : Lt Gen AB Shivane (Retd.), Ex Director General, Mechanised Force, Anchor - Vishal Dahiya

 

[Bhadra]

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[Bleh]

As regards canals and bridges, we cannot expect to win future wars with outdated infrastructure. Better roads,bridges and shelters are a must.

You're assuming that said infrastructure would still be available in case of a war... None of those bridges within the range of Paki tactical missiles would survive the 1st 24 hours of war.

And unless there's complete land & air superiority in the area, you can't deploy bridge-laying equipment for either tanks. For the smaller canals the prepared fording capability would matter more... That's where T-90 (5 metres) beats Arjun (2.5 metres).

All the desert landscape south of Sutlej, more than 75% (1600km:500km) of the tankable border, is game for Arjun without any of the usual excuses being applicable.

That's where shit will happen... Indian army has never been able to push in more than few dozen kilometres of Punjab before getting bogged down, be it '65 or '71.
That won't be able to do it now either, in this era of ATGMs. Only way our vanilla T-90s without APS can survive those, is if/when most of them break down within miles of crossing the border.

 

[Bhadra]

RECHANA DOAB (JHELUM RAVI CORRIDOR)

 

[Bhadra]

You're assuming that said infrastructure would still be available in case of a war... None of those bridges within the range of Paki tactical missiles would survive the 1st 24 hours of war.

And unless there's complete land & air superiority in the area, you can't deploy bridge-laying equipment for either tanks. For the smaller canals the prepared fording capability would matter more... That's where T-90 (5 metres) beats Arjun (2.5 metres).

All the desert landscape south of Sutlej, more than 70% of the tankable border, is game for Arjun without any of the usual excuses being applicable.

That's where shit will happen... Indian army has never been able to push in more than few dozen kilometres of Punjab before getting bogged down, be it '65 or '71.
It's even harder now in the era of ATGMs. Only way our vanilla T-90s without APS can survive those, is if/when half of them break down within miles of crossing the border.

I have not yet come to areas south of Satluj - where as per you lies the "Game". Where Indian Army will go while Pakistan secures their Punjab sitting on a canal and their Army enjoy their Canal cooled beer ! Cheers

 

[Bleh]

I have not yet come to areas south of Satluj - where as per you lies the "Game". Where Indian Army will go while Pakistan secures their Punjab sitting on a canal and their Army enjoy their Canal cooled beer ! Cheers

Yes until now, you've just been shitting on the thread as usual... Those maps amount to nothing!
The smaller canals (must of them) won't stop either tank, the larger & deeper ones might stop Arjun.

Other than that...

Local permanent bridges of ANY load capacity won't be available during war, anywhere near the border, on either side... because unlike your times now there's tactical missiles.

If the region is secured, then both of the tanks can be deployed, if the bridge-layer capable of carrying it is available.

And the ditch-cum-bunds would stop T-90s as effectively as they would Arjun. Except unlike Arjuns, they don't have qualitative superiority over Al Khalids.
Rather Indian tincans can get outnumbered by Paki ones, as a great many of ours are expected to be lost to break-downs along Pakistani countryside on the way there.

 

[Bhadra]

Your just shitting on the thread as usual... Those maps amount to nothing!
The smaller canals won't stop either tank, the larger & deeper ones might stop Arjun.

Other than that...

Local permanent bridges of ANY load capacity won't be available during war, anywhere near the border, on either side... because unlike your times now there's tactical missiles.

If the region is secured, then both of the tanks can be deployed, if the bridge-layer capable of carrying it is available.

And the ditch-cum-bunds would stop T-90s as effectively as they would Arjun. Except unlike Arjuns, they don't have qualitative superiority over Al Khalids. Rather our tincans can get outnumbered theirs as many of them would be lost to break-downs along the Pakistani countryside along the way.

How have you come to such conclusions ?
Where did I say the above ??
So you have a set of preconceived fanciful nonsense being peddled as arguments ?

And look who is shitting - it stinks !! Modi has a swachh bharat abhiyan and you need to be part of it.

 

[Bhadra]

Map of Shakargarh Bulge

 

[Bleh]

How have you come to such conclusions ?

That are facts.
You'd have pointed out the incorrect ones otherwise...

 

[Bhadra]

COMING DOWN SOUTH - SOUTH OF SULEMANKI HEADWORKS

 

[Bhadra]

SULEMANKI HEADWORKS
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[Bhadra]

HAKRA CANAL NETWORK

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[Bhadra]

AREA SOUTH OF FORT ABBAS​

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[ram singh तोपची]

out of curiosity why we don't have any wheeled APCs or IFCVs we've had them in the past as i understand , so what went wrong

 

[garg_bharat]

out of curiosity why we don't have any wheeled APCs or IFCVs we've had them in the past as i understand , so what went wrong

The USSR went away. That is what went wrong.

The socialist governments of India were heavily dependent on USSR for equipment. India never developed its own industry.

And when USSR went away, India's procurement system went into trouble.

It took a long time for India to develop own industries. So while critical requirements were met; a lot of stuff simply was ignored.

 

[Bhadra]

out of curiosity why we don't have any wheeled APCs or IFCVs we've had them in the past as i understand , so what went wrong

Wheeled APC and IFCVs are not as efficient for cross country movementand in deserts, snow covered and muddy areas as tracked vehicles. However wheeled vehicle are much efficient on roads, plain dry areas and urban terrain. Those are also good for light applications and specialised jobs like carrying a small team, tank hunting teams, med evec and recce purposes.
Indian Army may hold small percentage of wheeled APC / IFCVs .

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

The USSR went away. That is what went wrong.

The socialist governments of India were heavily dependent on USSR for equipment. India never developed its own industry.

And when USSR went away, India's procurement system went into trouble.

It took a long time for India to develop own industries. So while critical requirements were met; a lot of stuff simply was ignored.

What you did not say is that USSR gave lot of TOT to India before it went away. MiG21 was made in India completely, T72 was made in India and other items like BMP2 were also made in India.

We don't use wheeled military vehicles as military does not do most of the work on roads. Instead military movement on battlefield is 80-90% on unpaved terrain. So, making wheeled vehicles will mean that they will be unusable most of the time.

 

[ram singh तोपची]

but US has made use of these in middle east and afganistan as striker brigades etc

 

[Bleh]

Do not get jittery and derail the thread by showing your upbringing.
Do not use abusing language.

I prefer calling a pile of irrelevant shit being presented as logic for exactly what it is...

No matter how many arrows you draw on a bunch of maps, they amount for nothing other than taking up space. All these remain true;

Both the T-90s representing India in last Tank Biathlon, which were probably ones in best condition chosen for the competition, broke down on a flat run on dirt track.
And there was no talk of any issues or sabotage... so maybe this is pretty normal for them to do that!!!
Although the narrator is trying to sound as cool as possible but you can literally see its gun moving away from the target & readjusting back every second... it's so cringy pathetic!

As the Iraqis found out, low silhouette doesn't mean squat anymore... it's relevant for the likes of T-90, but not proper tanks with proper gun-stabilisation.

You're assuming that said infrastructure would still be available in case of a war... None of those bridges within the range of Paki tactical missiles would survive the 1st 24 hours of war.

And unless there's complete land & air superiority in the area, you can't deploy bridge-laying equipment for either tanks. For the smaller canals the prepared fording capability would matter more... That's where T-90 (5 metres) beats Arjun (2.5 metres).

All the desert landscape south of Sutlej, more than 75% (1600km:500km) of the tankable border, is game for Arjun without any of the usual excuses being applicable.

That's where shit will happen... Indian army has never been able to push in more than few dozen kilometres of Punjab before getting bogged down, be it '65 or '71.
That won't be able to do it now either, in this era of ATGMs. Only way our vanilla T-90s without APS can survive those, is if/when most of them break down within miles of crossing the border.

Yes until now, you've just been shitting on the thread as usual... Those maps amount to nothing!
The smaller canals (must of them) won't stop either tank, the larger & deeper ones might stop Arjun.

Other than that...

Local permanent bridges of ANY load capacity won't be available during war, anywhere near the border, on either side... because unlike your times now there's tactical missiles.

If the region is secured, then both of the tanks can be deployed, if the bridge-layer capable of carrying it is available.

And the ditch-cum-bunds would stop T-90s as effectively as they would Arjun. Except unlike Arjuns, they don't have qualitative superiority over Al Khalids.
Rather Indian tincans can get outnumbered by Paki ones, as a great many of ours are expected to be lost to break-downs along Pakistani countryside on the way there.

No matter how many arrows you draw on a bunch of maps, the fact remains that the heaviest tank Indian had operated until Arjun came along, has been most successful in tank-battles. The 52.5 ton Centurion Mk7... & also it mostly saw action in Lahore, Sialkot, Khemkaran, Shakargarh buldge etc.

No matter how many arrows you draw on a bunch of maps, T-90s face the same handicaps as Arjun in those places (that is, if most T-90s miraculously don't already break down on the way).