India yet to tap diaspora well, unlike China

[Indrajit]

There is nothing personal here. Its a question of choice between ideological stand point and practical reality. Practical reality is not a strong point of Indian beaurocray too. It shows everywhere. From defence purchases to foreign policy.

Ideological standpoint is absolutely necessary for a nation. Otherwise we can just stop wasting money and men and line up to kiss the arse of whoever citing practicality.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

A fair ask for which country? Why should the other agree to be a 2nd choice? If every nation asked that question, one of them is being lied to.

No one is being lied to. I can still choose one country if i hve to choose between my two dual citizenship nations- which only ever happens if they are AT WAR with each other.

That's an convenient opinion, I'm afraid. India's position on citizenship is known before an applicant moves for taking another country's citizenship. That is a choice made, whether with a heavy heart or a light one.

No one is saying India's position isnt known, we are saying India's position is not optimal moving forward and needs to be tweaked.

 

[Indrajit]

No one is being lied to. I can still choose one country if i hve to choose between my two dual citizenship nations- which only ever happens if they are AT WAR with each other.

One can choose but one of the two countries is going to be lied to. I'm saying no need to leave that open.

No one is saying India's position isnt known, we are saying India's position is not optimal moving forward and needs to be tweaked

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Disagree. Imo, it's fine as it is.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

Ideological standpoint is absolutely necessary for a nation. Otherwise we can just stop wasting money and men and line up to kiss the arse of whoever citing practicality.

Ideological points that hurt yourself are seldom correct. Difference between kissing arse and this situation is simple: in long term arse kissers are thrown out. In long term, countries with strong diasopra ties prosper and enrich themselves or atleast develop a strong asset. What do you think has kept Pakistan from rolling over? For their size they have a massive and strongly supporting diaspora whose money supports them.

By the same logic that you have taken, one can argue that there should be socialism and planned economy in India purely because ideologically India is a socialist republic. We all know how that went, right? Remember the era of DoT (later rebranded as BSNL), Uptron TVs, 5 years of wait for booking a scooter?

Its the same thing happening right now with respect to diaspora. 1950s ideology is simply not fitting with the reality of 2020s. It needs to be fixed.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

Disagree. Imo, it's fine as it is.

You are not alone. Till late 80s everyone was of opinion that planned economy is the way to go. It was very ideological to the point Indera Gandhi added socialist to the pre-emble of the constitution using an emergency power no less.

Then Narashima Rao had to step in. And rest is history.

We will need a Narasimha Rao kind of practical politican who can look beyond ideology when it comes to citizenship laws in India.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

One can choose but one of the two countries is going to be lied to. I'm saying no need to leave that open.

Apparently, likes of US, UK, France, Australia, Canada and South Korea are fine with that in one level or the other. They do not believe they are being lied to.

 

[shade]

I have been more impressed by response of global Jews than Israeli state itself. The way in which they have been able to pressurize Western Institutions , universities even employees to make supporting Hamas or even Palestine cause is outstanding.
What will Non Resident Hindus do if Indian is faced with such situation? What do we need to do to garner this kind of clout?

The Zionist movement existed long before the state of Israel was established.
The jews unironically created a proper sovereign country where they could live in peace without the generic Goyim pogrom every two decades, all by pulling strings in the top Western countries where they were bankers, media, academics, businessmen, lawyers etc.

It didn't matter whether they were religious or godless like Theodore Herzl, a top figure( or founder? ) of the Zionist movement.

In their holy book and their lived history they have been pogrom'd genocided and ethnic cleansed by ebul goys since time immemorial, this is their eternal focus, to not get exterminated, so that's why they jew the goyim, the Western ones with liberalism, capitalism, secularism the Arab ones now with civil war( Syria ), invasions ( Iraq ) and greed ( Gulf Arabs )

You can also shill for India/Hindutva without being an Indian citizen at all, Khalistanis shill for something that doesn't exist Packistani-Americunts( no Piggistani citizenship ) shill for Packieland and Islam as a whole, the one Nazaria -e- Bakistan user is derailing the whole thread with his childish demand for pic related and making all kinds of bullshit excuses "How can Hondu in Kaneda spik against Khalistani saaar!!!??" surely because Khalistani doesn't also want to attack Hindus like he did in Punjab

Pic related, what nazaria -e- bakistan wants

When bullets start flying though, he will switch to the bike driven by the white man, being a "patriotic" Americunt/Cucknadian/Asstralian etc so the whole point of "WITHOUT DUAL CITIZEN SHIP HOW TO SAPPORT SAAAR!!?!???" is moot and time-pass argumentation

After all not every Zionist has Israeli dual citizenship, don't see them bitching or begging Tel Aviv to give them an Israeli passport

 

[shade]

Dual citizenship shills want to enjoy property rights in both countries like how Ajay Devgan is doing his split on those two bikes, that is all.

Everything else is dishonest jhumlebaazi.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

Dual citizenship shills want to enjoy property rights in both countries like how Ajay Devgan is doing his split on those two bikes, that is all.

Everything else is dishonest jhumlebaazi.

Same was said about Poonawalla for being a "British shills who want to make a lot of money". Guess whose vaccine is keeping most of the India immune?

The idea of alienating the most successful of the community (NRIs, Industrialists and Scientists) and calling them jhumlebaaz is rather peculiar and perhaps stupid to say the very least.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

After all not every Zionist has Israeli dual citizenship, don't see them bitching or begging Tel Aviv to give them an Israeli passport

But still any jew can get a citizenship of Israel easily. Can any Hindu do that?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

One can choose but one of the two countries is going to be lied to. I'm saying no need to leave that open.

Funny how all the major countries in the world don't think this way, eh ?

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Disagree. Imo, it's fine as it is.

Your disagreement is counter to facts.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Dual citizenship shills want to enjoy property rights in both countries like how Ajay Devgan is doing his split on those two bikes, that is all.

Everything else is dishonest jhumlebaazi.

This attitude is very good eg of why Indian disaspora is bigger than the Chinese but punches far below the chinese in power. Because Indians have a very retarded view towards immigration.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

This attitude is very good eg of why Indian disaspora is bigger than the Chinese but punches far below the chinese in power. Because Indians have a very retarded view towards immigration.

Its .... a weird thing. Failure and Poverty is celebrated in our India. Remember, all the movies in which they show NRIs as "evil scheming" "stealing hero's love interest" etc? And the hero being a class flunking guy with similar kind of friends as wholesome and cool? In Chinese and other east asian popular image its the other way round. Protagnists are either experts at something or atleast striving to become an expert.

Seems like fellow Indians have taken the learning of Bollywood hook line and sinker.

 

[no smoking]

For eg, China offers dual citizenship 'de-facto' - as in, much like Russia, they are under no obligations to recognise your '2nd citizenships' but once you are Russian/Chinese or become their citizens, you will FOREVER be their citizens-despite what you wish.

No, once you get another country's citizenship, you will automatically lose your Chinese citizenship.
For example, I got into Australia by PR visa, later became an Australian citizen. But if I didn't notify Chinese government about the change of the citizenship, then every time I want to renew my Chinese passport, I need to provide a letter from Australian government claiming that I am not an Australian citizen.

 

[justaguy]

 

[rockdog]

No, once you get another country's citizenship, you will automatically lose your Chinese citizenship.
For example, I got into Australia by PR visa, later became an Australian citizen. But if I didn't notify Chinese government about the change of the citizenship, then every time I want to renew my Chinese passport, I need to provide a letter from Australian government claiming that I am not an Australian citizen.

Yesterday, i talked with my friend already got EU citizen. He still keeps all Chinese IDs, Hukou, Driver lisence...

If u don't report u switched ur nationality, the domestic system won't do anything.

He guess Chinese government allows this situation on purpose. It's hidden dual nationalites.

Cutting the tie with oversea Chinese is not a smart idea.

 

[neutrondrake]

Apparently, likes of US, UK, France, Australia, Canada and South Korea are fine with that in one level or the other. They do not believe they are being lied to.

All those are anglos and anglo vassals. They are already De facto Americans, and if this level of real politik is not obvious, then one has no right have opinions on Root level decision making on statecraft.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

All those are anglos and anglo vassals. They are already De facto Americans, and if this level of real politik is not obvious, then one has no right have opinions on Root level decision making on statecraft.

they got to be anglos & anglo vassals by not being retards re: immigration to those lands and keeping dual citizenship or similar ties with motherland. Something that retards here think is wrong.

 

[neutrondrake]

they got to be anglo vassals

And that's bad.

Enjoy your slavery if you think otherwise.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

All those are anglos and anglo vassals. They are already De facto Americans, and if this level of real politik is not obvious, then one has no right have opinions on Root level decision making on statecraft.

Multiple citizenship - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Am I to believe that Venezuela is an Anglo vassal? It allows dual citizenship.
Am I to believe that Cambodia is an Anglo vassal? It allows dual citizenship.
Am I to believe that France is an Anglo vassal? It allows dual citizenship.
Am I to believe that Russia is an Anglo vassal? It allows second citizenship.